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Big 12 Roundtable - The Aftermath

This week's roundtable is being hosted by KSU blog Bring on the Cats.

The Aftermath, apparently the title of a post-apocalyptic nightmare in which we're currently living. Who can fix this thing?

We really want a happy Husker family, don't we? Source:(Supporting Kidds)

1.  Some teams are coming off a big win or wins (Oklahoma, Colorado, KU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Missouri), while others are dealing with the sting of a tough loss or losses (K-State, Texas, Nebraska, Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State).  Tell us where your team is headed in the wake of the first two weeks of conference play.

My team is collectively headed to therapy. No one knows what is wrong with the Huskers, not even Bill Callahan.  I suggest the whole team (coaches, players, staff, video guys, you name it) go to counseling. Like a marriage counseling weekend where you go to a secluded place and have it out, then pray and cry and then scream at each other some more. I can only imagine what the offense and defense have to say to each other.

If that doesn't work, then they'll have tried their best and they can cry themselves to sleep at night wondering about what might have been. They can break up and some go their separate ways at the end of the season.

2.  Colorado and Texas A&M have emerged as unlikely conference leaders at 2-0 (give yourself a cookie if you predicted that), while preseason darlings Texas (0-2) and Nebraska (1-1 and not playing well) are floundering.  Do the current leaders have the wherewithal to make it to San Antonio, or will somebody from elsewhere in the pack overtake them?

There's nothing like your coach being discovered as unethical boob to galvanize a team and make them come together against a common foe - that foe being everyone else on the planet. It's a strategy that shows the genius of Coach Fran.

Unfortunately, Franchione didn't realize that Mike Leach would go so far as to break his own arm in an attempt to bring his team together. Does anyone really think it's an accident that this occurred right before the Red Raiders play the Aggies?

Colorado on the other hand, will not be overtaken. They will win the Big 12 North, proceed to the Big 12 Championship game where they will be beaten 70-3 by someone from the Big 12 South. It doesn't matter who, just that the pain will continue.

3.  A few weeks ago we did a ranking of the six BCS conferences, with most bloggers picking the Big 12 in the middle of the pack, which would be a big improvement over the last couple years.  Have the middle and bottom teams of the conference improved significantly, or have the teams at the top declined significantly?  Or is it something else?

I blame Iowa State and Baylor. Their blackhole of suckage is so dark and powerful that it's pulled the rest of us down to their level. Sooner or later we will all be consumed.

Where the hell is Al Gore on this issue?

4.  Getting waaaaay ahead of ourselves: What if Missouri or KU goes undefeated and wins the Big 12 Championship Game?  Would they get a shot at the national championship game?

Kansas' schedule will stop them from getting anywhere unless everyone else loses. I guess that could happen this season. Missouri could get there and then implode. They may have kicked our ass, but in the long run, they're still the Minnesota Vikings. There isn't a season in which they haven't disappointed their fans in some way, shape or form.

5.  Rank the conference teams

Okay, fine. I'll just copy this one from Husker Mike so I don't have to think about it. It hurts too much.

  1. Oklahoma
  1. Kansas
  1. Missouri
  1. Kansas State
  1. Colorado
  1. Texas
  1. Texas A&M
  1. Oklahoma State
  1. Texas Tech

10. Nebraska

  1. Baylor
  1. Iowa State

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ze Oct 09 07
O.k. fans,

Well, I watched the Calli Show footage and again things are not as bad or as good as they seem.

I think our offense actually moved the ball very well a number of times, but just couldn't punch it in in the red zone, which was certainly uncharacteristic from the first 5 games.
I like this offense, I like watching it and they made alot of good plays. I think Lucky is becoming a very, very good back. Our first 3-4 drives we really had chances to make it a totally different game, but just didn't convert tds. Keller played very well, I thought, and only missed a few potential scoring passes early on. It happens.

Mo brought more pressure from the ends in the 2nd half which disrupted things more, but the first half they really didn't stop us that much, we stopped ourselves.

MO P. is such an impressive receiver and Sean Hill continues to shine.

Pig's hit on MO maybe wasn't as intentional as it seemed, he was just trying to make a hard hit and MO was sort of leaning and Pig was leading with his head and happened to hit MO in the head. It didn't appear like an intentional head to head.

Apart from Mo's first 2 scores, our D played better and was in good postition many times to make plays, but they just didn't, which was frustrating. There were a number of decent plays though, they didn't give up.  We've got good players.

MO also just made alot of great plays, they were ON their game, no doubt, and did a good job mixing things up. Still, I like the athletes on our team and thought they did play hard and I still feel confident they will start putting it together at some point, hopefully this week. They just have too many new guys on the field gaining experience, and MO IS an excellent offensive team. I don't think the schemes were bad, so much, we just didn't make the plays we should have. Still need a better and more consistent pass rush though and maybe used the 3-4 too much.

So, there is still hope. Okie St. is going to be similarly challenging, but if our D can just turn the corner and the O gets back in the end zone, I think we have a good chance in this game.

'za blang thang

by Ze Robertinho on Oct 10, 2007 1:39 AM CDT   0 recs

issue

with the Pig hit. He left his feet - launching himself at Purify. Big hit or not, it was cheap and properly called. He could have been ejected for it.

I agree that we have good players, but they're not getting it done. Maybe there's a chance we start playing well for the rest of the season, but I'll take it when I see it.

Go Big Red!

by corn blight on Oct 10, 2007 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pig

I initially thought the shot was egregious, but after looking at the replay it appeared to be more coincidental, but certainly head to head.  Actually, I'm surprised there weren't some punches thrown after that one.

'za blang thang

by Ze Robertinho on Oct 10, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Man-Genies???

First off, watching the KU/KSU game and viewing KU's sideline--ala panorama--Mangino is the LAST guy there you would expect to be the head coach!  Ball boy, maybe!  I mean, he's like a big ol' stooge with his shirt all the way down to his knees; you can't help but love it!

But seriously, KU is not the 2nd best team in the conference.  They are solid and have some very good WRs, but I still think TX, TTech, Okie St., NE--yes NE!-- and maybe aTm could take 'em.  KS still has some proving to do.

CO is also too high.

You can't discount TX!  Sure, they're like on 'crazy pills' when they play KSU--Prince factor--but they looked pretty friggin' good against OU.  I think it's between them and MO for the 2nd spot right now.

And don't forget TTech!

'za blang thang

by Ze Robertinho on Oct 10, 2007 1:54 AM CDT   0 recs

What do we have to do?

Beating a suddenly very legit Illinois team, then shellacking an SEC team, winning all of our non-conference games easily (something Colorado has not done)?

And then! Then! After the beatdown in CoMo, the Gold Rush Gangbang, the 41-6 beatown we put on the "Blackshirts" and you still think Colorado at 4-2 is going to win the division? I'm not saying we're going to beat OU, but still! C'mon, man!

The comment by Roberinho was pretty important here. All the comments outside of Columbia have bee about the failures of the Cornhuskers. I know you're not used to it, and it's going to be hard getting used to the New Order, but did you ever think that maybe the Tigers are just that much better this year? Just this once?

I need to see Pig's hit again. Initially, I was very apologetic for the hit, over at the Rock M Nation open thread, because I didn't want to be a homer for defending it. I will say that it was a questionable hit, but all the Husker fans calling for blood need to be reasonable and realize that if that was a Husker, there would only be talk of "That a way, Blackshirts!" and "That's how Nebraska's defense should hit!"

I'm just asking for some rationality. It didn't look like he was trying to cheap shot Purify, but if he was, then yeah, it was a penalty, and he should have been ejected.  

by MizzouRobot on Oct 10, 2007 1:20 PM CDT   0 recs

pinkle

And then! Then! After the beatdown in CoMo, the Gold Rush Gangbang, the 41-6 beatown [sic] we put on the "Blackshirts" and you still think Colorado at 4-2 is going to win the division? I'm not saying we're going to beat OU, but still! C'mon, man!

Well, you've been here before. How'd that turn out? I (like most Big 12 fans, I suspect) look at Pinkel the same way I look at Callahan - I'll believe it when I see it. Pinkel needs to prove he can not just win the big game but win when there's something big on the line (e.g. a division championship).

You have a great team with loads of offensive talent, but ask Mike Leach how far that gets you. Gotta consistently show you can hang week-in and week-out, year-in and year-out before you can claim to establish a "New Order." And the only thing consistent about Pinkel's record is its inconsistency.

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 10, 2007 2:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Touche'

BTW, upon further review I would say that Piggy's hit on MO was more coincidently vicious than intentionally.  MO was kind of leaning and Pig jumped high into him trying to make a big hit.  He just happened to be leading with his head, which collided with MO's head.  It happens.  There was even a worse one from an MSU defender vs WI two weeks ago:  wow!

'za blang thang

by Ze Robertinho on Oct 10, 2007 6:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beat OU

for starters, then run through the rest of your schedule, then I will believe MO is what they seem to think they are.  I just don't think they have the the D to pull it off.  Ill. was questionable at the beginning of the season, and the word's still out on them in terms of consistency.  They have great skill players w/o a doubt and really could have easily beat MO on their last drive down to the 10 yd line in that game.

'za blang thang

by Ze Robertinho on Oct 10, 2007 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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