Mizzou - Nebraska Post Game Over Reaction

by corn blight on Oct 7, 2007 12:38 AM CDT in Football Comment 15 comments

I suppose like most of you, I didn't get to watch the first 14 points. I was very upset, but little did I know that ESPN was saving me and my family a full hour of pain.

Bill Callahan's offense scored six points against Missour's defense. Six. Not a touchdown. Six friggin' points. Div IAA Illinois State scored 17 points against them. What more needs to be said?
No fire, no passion, nothing from this team. Barely a pulse. Missouri is good on offense. We knew that. We didn't know how badly we'd look - how badly we'd play. Look for more losses this year. Many more. This is a lost team.
The offensive line should be embarrassed. Illinois State rushing yardage: 155. Nebraska: 74.
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If you think booing is bad, think again. Now you're laughingstock. Not a single defensive teammate folllowed captain Zach Bowman's lead in playing without a blackshirt. Tongiht my neighbor (not a native Nebraskan nor an alum, a Minnesotan) screamed "these blackshirts need to get their shit together!". I said to him "We don't call them that anymore".
When a guy resigns that's your chief fundraising guy, he's not just some guy that can be easily replaced. He's not a turd you can flush down a toilet and that's what we were asked to do this week.
Steve Pederson needs to be fired before he can do any more damage. Or maybe resign for 'personal reasons'.
For that matter, if Kevin Cosgrove is here next year, where is the hope in Nebraska football? Where?
I used this game as a teaching moment for my 11-year old daughter to tell her I never want her to play with this little of passion or heart. Play sports. Enjoy it. If you don't want to be there, then don't bother going on the field. Oh wait. She's not 40. And she's not a man. And yet, I don't think the point is lost on her. Tonight, I didn't feed her chicken. She had venison stew - meat from a deer I shot last season. She got up and fed herself after I cooked it. Had two bowls. Got them by herself.

Imagine that.

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One has to wonder

what the fund raising is like right now. With the guy in charge of fund raising just up and resigns and then says he is not making any statements that the department will do it you have to wonder what is going on. It was not that long ago that a project such as this would have easily raised the money to build it before it was built. All we hear now is that "we are on track to get the money raised". I am at a loss to even try to explain Husker football anymore.

Tonight I watched with some friends at the local bar and before hand the talk was normal with most (myself included) thinking that we would end up winning the game. I have never seen an entire bar go completely quite during a Husker game, but it did tonight. Now dont get me wrong I live in a town of 800 and there were probably only 30 to 40 in the bar but after MU went through our defense like a warm knife through butter the second time everyone just kind of hung their heads in shame. Now I know that the kool-aid drinkers on here are going to rip me and say that we had no right to be in shame but we were. It literally ripped the hearts right out of our chest. To watch MU completely dismantle the Husker the same as USC did was a sickening feeling. It shamed me and the rest of the fans that NU football had sunken to these depths. We had the second worst loss to Missouri that we have EVER had. The worst was in like 1947 (Huskerpedia) when we lost by 41. I heard something about it was the first time NU had failed to score a TD against MU since 1958, but according to Huskerpedia that is wrong. We were shut out in '58,'59, '60, and '61. I do not understand how anyone can back this coaching staff any longer. What is happening to all the 4 and 5 star recruits we are getting? You can not take an 18 year old kid and just tell him to go play football, you still have to coach him and develop him and make him better. Either the players we are getting are not very good (which means this staff is very poor at finding and getting talent) or this staff does not know how to coach kids to become better players. I believe that we have decent players on this team I just do not think that this staff knows how to develop them. I have said this before and another poster said I was wrong and and pointed to a few players he said had gotten considerably better. I dont remember who all he said but I do remember Zac Taylor was one. I pesonally do not think that Zac got any better. He got more comfortable in the offense and had a lot better year his second year but as far as him getting any better I just dont see it. Dont get me wrong, I liked Zac and to be honest wish he were still here. Another was Todd Peterson, and again I dont know that he is any better (or enough to say that BC and staff can make kids better). Todd is not starting, nor is he making as many catches as he did earlier in his career. Is he running great routes and suddenly become a 1,000 yard reciever? Or is he just making the same catches he made as a Freshmen? Again I like Todd and think he is a good reciever, I just dont see that he has made great strides in developing. Who has this staff taken and made good enough to go to the pros. Lucky is going to have to improve alot to make it, Purify will probably make but unless he learns to quit dropping so many he wont last long nor will he play all that much, just because you are a big,strong, fast reciever doenst mean much if you cant catch the ball. There are guys on this team that were hyped to the max and I am sure were told that this staff would help them get to the next level, Barry Turner, Lydon Murtha, Terrence Nunn, Marlon Lucky, Cody Glenn, Maurice Purify, Matt Slauson, Zac Bowmen, Andre Jones, Chris Brooks, Melik Holt just to name a few. What the hell has happened to these guys and why aren't they making a difference here? Oh and I dont just mean why aren't they starting or playing, I mean why aren't they making a difference. These guys were supposed to be play makers and game changers and I dont see it. Bowmen and Jones were supposed to be lock down corners but tonight you saw that this was not the case. Lucky was supposed to be our next great back, 1000 yard rusher, great reciever, and I dont see that either. Now since I am a high school coach I can tell you matter of factly that if a kid doenst work he will get no better, but if that is the case then why are they starting. Surely there is someone on this team that is working their ass off to make a difference. If not that again falls on the staff because they should be recruiting kids with some kind of work ethic. Its time for a change here at good ol' NU and it needs to start at the top. Time to say good by to Stevie P. Billy C. and this entire coaching staff. Time for a fresh start. Time to bring back some Husker Blood. Time to bring back somebody that will bleed right along with the fans when this team loses. Time to bring back someone who knows about and respects the Husker tradition. Time to bring back someone who had given most of their adult life to the University of Nebraska. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS TIME TO BRING BACK TURNER GILL!!!!!!!!

by taflorom on Oct 7, 2007 1:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jon

sorry this got so long I should have posted it in the diaries but I just got on a roll and couldn't quit.

by taflorom on Oct 7, 2007 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey

just use a paragraph once in a while, man otherwise, its really hard to read.

don't apologize for passon. well...maybe. sometimes :)

Go Big Red!

by corn blight on Oct 7, 2007 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was me

Who has this staff taken and made good enough to go to the pros.

Cory Ross and Brandon Jackson both credit this staff for their NFL paychecks (their words, not mine).

Time to bring back some Husker Blood.

"Husker blood" is overrated, in my opinion. Bob Devaney wasn't a Nebraska guy. He seemed to do just fine. Let's leave Turner in the MAC for a while to see what he can do before hoisting the 'savior' mantle upon him. He's yet to show he can be a good head coach (I hope he becomes one, but he's not there yet).

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 7, 2007 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK

if you say so on the Ross and Jackson thing. I haven't read that anywhere or heard it but thats not to say it didn't happen. You dont say where you heard or read it so I guess I will just have to take your word for it.

And no Bob wasn't from Nebraska when he came here but I can guarantee that Bob Devaney was definately a Nebraska guy. Turner Gill wasn't from Nebraska either but believe me he is a Nebraska guy. The only thing overrated at Nebraska is the current football coaching staff.

So you think that Husker Blood is overrated huh? Well tell that to the Peter brothers or Grant Wistrom or Jared Tomich or any of the other players who bled it and then tell me that again. There was a great radio show in Lincoln after the Ball State game that had Christian Peter, Mike Minter and two other former players (I cant remember who right now) and they talk of Husker Blood. If Jon could post that on here so people could here it maybe you would understand what Husker Blood is. Jon are you able to do that? It was on the Husker List site and I still have it and could email it to you if you dont have access to it. Maybe you should tell that to Broderick Thomas, or Chris Dishman.

I dont know your age, background, or how long you have been a Husker fan so I dont know if you know who these guys are or not and I dont know if you would really understand what Husker Blood is if you dont. Here is mine. I am 41 and have lived in Nebraska all but 6 months of my life. I have been watching the Huskers since I was about 7, back when Johnny Rogers and Jerry Taggee were playing. My dad was a huge Husker fan and would watch every televised game and listen to every radio broadcast of those that weren't. I have followed in his footsteps as I do not miss a game that is on tv. When Texas played NU in the Big XII championship game I taped it and would not listen to anyone who tried to tell me what was going on so that I could watch it when I got home. Like I said I dont know you or anything so maybe to you Husker Blood is overrated. I also listen to all the radio broadcast when we dont play on tv.

by taflorom on Oct 7, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this isn't about me and you

I'm just as Nebraskan as you are. A little younger, but that's not to my detriment or yours. My point is it doesn't matter.

When he left Wyoming for Lincoln, Bob Devaney had no more stake in Nebraska's success than any other coach who might have taken the job. He succeeded because he was a great coach, not because he had been especially passionate about the State or the University or Husker football before he arrived. This is not a sleight; I'm saying he was a superb coach who made the program a winner. To all those former players you name, I'd ask this: Would they have played with the same level of passion had they attended another school? If not, what does that say about them? My guess is these are passionate individuals whose dedication to Husker football is not to be questioned. But the passion (or in Devaney's case, coaching skill) came first, long before any concern for Nebraska football in particular.

If we're going to look for a new head coach (which I think is premature) or DC (which I think is past due) we should get the best one available whether he has Nebraska ties or not. Turner Gill may turn out to be a great coach, but he's only got one year as a HC on his resume, and that one wasn't too good. Marvin Sanders is a Nebraska guy, but would you really take his mediocre history as a DC over some other options for the job?

Look at it this way: last time around, would you rather we had hired "Nebraska guy" Joe Glenn or the "best-available" - Urban Meyer?

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 7, 2007 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK again

Maybe I am not making myself clear when I say "Nebraska Guy". I AM NOT talking about someone who came from the state of Nebraska. Guys like the Peter brothers and Wistrom etc. that I mentioned came to NU to play football and they were very passionate about the game, but they also took the time to learn about and understand the history and tradition of Husker football and became just as passionate about NU as they were to football. They also were taught about this by the coaching staff. The players could also look to the staff and see that most were "Husker Guys" and they had to feed off of that. If it wasn't a great place then why were the coaches staying and why were so many former players becoming coaches here? They got their passion for NU from the staff. Does that happen anymore?

And your right it is not about me and you, and I wasn't trying to make it that way. I asked you about you because I didn't know the age I was dealing with and that does make a difference when discussing past Huskers. What I mean is this: if you are 35 or older then you grew up watching the same guys and same games I did and you would understand what I meant by a "Husker Guy" and "Husker Blood", and you would also know from watching and listening to the players I mentioned what I meant about their passion for NU. If you are younger then maybe you dont and it will be harder for me to explain.

When I go to work, the guys are around my age and understand what I am talking about. At home with my kids, not so much. I have 3 kids and 3 step kids, the two oldest step kids grew up in Kansas and have been KU or KSU fans most of their lives and are just starting to get into NU now that they have been around me. They are 25 and 23. The youngest step kid is 16 and he knows who Eric Crouch and todays players are but not so much the guys I mentioned. My oldest is 16 and she will follow NU a little but is not so much a sports nut so would look at me with a very lost look on her face if I mentioned those guys. My other two are 12 and 10 and they know guys who play today but still dont understand what Husker football is all about. So that is why I asked, not to start a "I am better then you because I have watched more then you", I also was not questioning your loyalty to the Huskers.

Trust me though, "Husker Blood" does matter.

by taflorom on Oct 7, 2007 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

husker guys

Can you tell me what exactly makes a "Husker Guy"? Who has "Husker Blood"? Is this category populated solely by former players and coaches? Are we, as fans, "Husker guys" of some type? And do all former players/coaches get to be in this group? Is Scott Frost a "Husker guy" (played two years at Stanford, 'coached' at K-State)? Was Bill Jennings? Does Lawrence Phillips have "Husker blood"? I'm not trying to be smug, I'm just not sure I understand how you're defining this quality.

I'm of the opinion that the previous coaches at NU were successful because they were very good coaches. Bob Devaney, Bo Pelini, Charlie McBride (a Colorado grad!), and many others succeeded because they did their jobs well, not because they came into their positions with any passion for Husker football. Passion was part of their character and that affected their coaching. But were they "Husker Guys" before they succeeded here? Perhaps they were just really good football coaches who came to care for Nebraska football during their careers at NU. Conversely: In 2002, we went 7-7. On that coaching staff were Frank Solich, Milt Tenopir, Turner Gill, Dan Young and George Darlington - all NU lifers. Were they not "Husker Guys"? If so, what makes you so sure another crew of Husker Guys wouldn't come in and produce similar results?

Steve Pederson's been in and out of the Athletic Department since 1980. Is he a "Husker Guy"?

My point is simply that I want the best athletic director, coaching staff and players we can get, "Husker Guys" or not. If it turns out we don't have the best, we should go get it, not limit ourselves to choosing from a small cadre of former Huskers.

Again, would you rather have an average coach who's a former Husker or the best coach available (whoever that may be when the time comes)?

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 8, 2007 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah

and for the record: JOE GLENN is not a Nebraska Guy.

by taflorom on Oct 7, 2007 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

worst fans on earth

I was unfortunate enough to be at the game Saturday night. "Unfortunate" not because we lost, but because I have never been treated so poorly in my life.

My husband & I were spit on, had beer thrown at us & were continually cussed out during the game. All this from Mizzou fans who were winning. And that was only the adults!! The college kids were worse. I was glad we had a sitter & my kids were safe at home & not in the Iraqi environment of Columbia.

We never said anything to these people other than to tell them that Chase Daniels looked very good. Their response was to string a list of profanities together (while being a few inches from our face) & telling us to "take off our Nebraska sh** & go the f*** home."

We have lived in Missouri for 5 years now & have many good friends here. However, I will never allow my children to go watch a Mizzou game at a friend's house if this is how the parents are raising their children to treat others.

by bleed red on Oct 8, 2007 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

OK Ignignokt...

what makes you so hip to this staff? What have they done to make you think they can right the ship here at NU? What makes them so good? You seem to like them so tell me why.

by taflorom on Oct 8, 2007 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i carry no water

for anybody. At no point have I said this is the next great coaching staff. Find where I said that. You won't be able to. I want our coaching staff to succeed because they're coaching our team. Why would I want anything else?

Here's my position (I've laid it out more than once). I expect a team to 1) Play with passion. 2) Win nine games. 3) Compete for division and conference titles. If that doesn't happen this year, BC should get the Solich treatment - a mandate for staff changes and a year to demonstrate he can lead a team up to the highest reasonable standards. If he adapts and fails he'll be gone. If he adapts and succeeds, won't that be good for everyone?

But that has nothing to do with the issue here. At issue here is the belief that "Husker Guys" (a term you haven't really defined) are the most qualified to lead this team (either as coaches or players). I think that position is restrictive. I want the best guys we can get. You seem to want the best "Husker Guys." Why restrict ourselves that way?

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 8, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

with your position on BC. barring some miracle, he's going to have to shake up his staff and improve in a year otherwise he's gone.

However, I'd like to see Steve P leave before he's allowed to pick another coach.

I'll leave you guys to your argument about athletes.

Go Big Red!

by corn blight on Oct 8, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did not ....

say that you said they were the next great staff, I said that you seem to like them and I wondered why. Every time I make a complaint about them you stick up for them and I just wondered why you liked them or do you just dislike me? Whatever if that is the case. And yes I do want the person who would be best for the Husker program, I just happen to think that would be Turner Gill. Hell he is winning in Buffalo for gods sake. How do you even recruit to Buffalo? Hey come on up here, the temp get above 50 for a whole month.....we have women with many many layers, sometimes its all clothing sometimes its not.....Women running around on sandy beaches in bikinis? sure we have that....in the movies....if he can recruit players there he sure as hell can recruit them here.

by taflorom on Oct 11, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like them...

because they coach my team. I want nothing but the best for someone in that position. I "stick up for them," as you say, because I believe Bill Callahan can succeed here. Some of his assistants may have to go (cough COZ cough) for that success to come, though. You're free to disagree with that opinion just as I'm free to disagree with the idea that "the experiment has failed." This is sports - there's no such thing as objectivity.

As for Turner, his record as a head coach is 4-14. I don't consider that "winning," even when compared to Buffalo's characteristically low standards. He was a great player, is a great guy, and was a great position coach. He may someday become a great head coach. But if you want to call Bill Callahan a "mediocre" coach at 26-17, what is Turner with that record?

If there's one thing to learn from 2004, it's if you're going to jettison a coach you damn well better bring in someone who can succeed and succeed right away. What on his resume (other than being a "Husker Guy") indicates to you that Turner Gill could do that?

Also, I'd like to point out that everything you said about Buffalo is true of Lincoln. Of course they're not the same, but Nebraska will never win competitions for best weather or sexiest co-eds.

Can you hear this, Denver, or shall I turn it up for you?

by Ignignokt on Oct 11, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs