Some signs point to yes for Notre Dame and Texas to the Big Ten. Some also point to no.
Rumors, rumors, rumors. Always take em with a grain of salt. This entire story is based upon rumors so keep that in mind. Piecing together rumors and comments of what people say usually leads to a false conclusion, but it's fun to do. With that in mind, let's have a little fun with the Notre Dame and Texas to the Big Ten rumors.
Also, I don't really like the idea of the Big Ten expanding again. People say that the Big Ten will have to keep up with everyone else if other conferences go to 14 or 16. Why? Why do they have to expand just because everyone else is doing it? It took 20 years to go from 11 schools to 12. I trust the Big Ten leaders on expansion for the right reasons.
Early this morning, a rivals site reported that they apparently had access to a meeting between Big Ten officials and Texas/Notre Dame. Take it for what it's worth. It's a rumor.Earlier this evening, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference with their proposed terms of entry into the conference. These terms resulted from lengthy discussions among both schools and the Big Ten over the past several months.
The major items include:
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.
2. The staggering of the schedule to allow for mid-season scheduling with non-conference football opponents.
3. The preservation of the status quo conference makeup until approximately 2014, unless the Big XII fails to retain key (NOT including A&M) conference members. This will provide the member schools, acting in unison, with the greatest leverage negotiating ongoing television contracts, particularly with ESPN.
4. Should Texas depart the conference for the Big Ten before ND due to the further disintegration of the Big XII, ND will remain independent until approximately 2014
5. The Longhorn Network would remain independent until approximately 2014, at which point the network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network (specifically referred to as "BTN2"), likely either in partnership with Fox, NBC, or less likely ABC
The Big Ten just wrapped up a meeting to initially consider all of the terms presented by the schools, including the aforementioned.
Notably, there is a general discontent with the reporting of the situation by ESPN with specific regard to Texas. ESPN has, for self-serving purposes, drastically exaggerated the lean of Texas to the Pac12 conference in nearly all commentary. ESPN has essentially waged a propaganda campaign to drive support among the Texas stakeholders to the Pac12 conference. ESPN has gone so far as to attempt to accelerate the disintegration of the Big XII to pressure Texas into making an immediate conference change decision. Texas has steadfastly resisted change, and will do so until the appropriate time occurs for Texas to stand in a strong position to renegotiate television contracts, including with ESPN.
In reality, the preference expressed by Texas' relevant leadership is to depart the Big XII for the Big Ten at the time that gives Texas the greatest leverage in negotiating a new television rights deal. The Big Ten and Texas agreed that Texas should do what is best for Texas, which they also both agree is a move by Texas to join the Big Ten Conference. Delaney's top priority has been to create an environment for Texas and Notre Dame to join the conference on mutually benefical terms.
Notre Dame has an interest in preserving its traditional rivalries, three of which occur already in the Big Ten, and creating a new national rivalry with a traditional powerhouse. The Big Ten believes that ND prefers independence, but realizes that it will soon have no choice but to join a conference. The Big Ten also believes that ND is trying to position itself so that if it must join a conference, it does so on the most favorable terms possible. Hence the return to the 8 game schedule and a protected game with national power Texas. The Big Ten will attempt to create a mutually beneficial environment for ND that allows it to preserve a great deal of independence to retain all its traditional rivalries within the conference context.
The initial mood at the Big Ten to the terms provided by the two schools is "receptive."
What does this mean? It could be just some smart guy putting the pieces together of if Notre Dame and Texas wanted to join the Big Ten what would those schools like to see in order for this to get done. It doesn't necessairly mean that they want to join. This "meeting" could also be completely bogus. Just this morning an interview was published with Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez and he stated that the Big Ten had a moratorium on expansion. In other words, it was on hold. Jim Delaney has also come out within the past week and has said that the Big Ten is content with 12 schools.
Of course the SEC also said "No" to A&M, but that was just a legal hurdle they had to cross so that they didn't appear to be poaching a school from the Big XII. Things can change, but it's hard not to believe Jim Delaney when he made those statements a week ago. The Big Ten may expand, but they do their due diligence first.
Could it be true? Sure. There was talk a few weeks ago about Texas wanting to replace A&M with Notre Dame on Thanksgiving. Was DeLoss/Chip Brown letting the cat out of the bag early? They may have done it last summer too. In May, 2010, the reports starting coming out of the Pac-10 and Big XII entering into a TV deal for football.
It appears the Big 12 and Pac-10 are inching closer to a football scheduling alliance for television similar to the basketball Hardwood Series the two leagues currently have.
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott told Orangebloods.com on Monday that he and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe have had discussions about creating a football television package of non-conference games between the two leagues that could create "the kind of scale, national exposure and financial growth both conferences are looking for in our next round of TV deals."
This was the pre-cursor to the idea for moving half the Big XII to the Pac-10. As soon as this new rumor came out, the Big XII-Pac 10 TV deal was never mentioned again. It kind of looks like that the six-team move was the idea all along. So with the current talk about Notre Dame to the Big XII and UT-ND on Thanksgiving, could this just be the cat being let out of the bag again? Why would Orangebloods report that "Texas and Notre Dame could just start their own conference?
Less than a month ago, Dodds told a gathering of the Young Men's Business League of Austin that Texas wants the Big 12 to stay together if A&M moves on to the SEC. But Dodds said if there is not sentiment for the nine remaining schools to keep the Big 12 alive, Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.
Are Notre Dame and Texas up to more than we know? Of course Notre Dame continues to say that it wants to prioritize their independence.
"Our priority — and our clear priority — is maintaining our football independence and continuing to build our relationship with the Big East with our other sports," Swarbrick told the Austin American-Statesman.
It's also worth mentioning that there appears to be a good relationship with Jack Swarbrick and DeLoss Dodds. From January:
Swarbrick talked about his relationship with Texas and their AD DeLoss Dodd and that Notre Dame has a close connection with Texas. According to Swarbrick, the Texas Longhorn Network makes all the sense in the world for them.
As far as what Notre Dame will do in the future, he said that it is important for the Irish to expand their media presence. However, he said that Texas has geography going in their favor and Notre Dame does not.
Things can change quickly, though. Why hasn't Notre Dame moved it's hockey team? Penn State is starting a hockey team and because of it, the Big Ten is forming it's own hockey conference. This caused Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan State and Michigan to abandon their old hockey conferences. Because of this, the WCHA invited the remnants of the CCHA into their conference with the exception of one school. That school is Notre Dame. Why wouldn't the Irish join up? Are they going independant in hockey too? There aren't a lot of alternatives in hockey for conferences. But...if they were joining the Big Ten in a few years, then they would just end up playing hockey in the Big Ten conference.
On the plus side, things could work out for every BCS school with this setup. A&M and West Virginia or Missouri makes the SEC 14 strong. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State make the Pac-12 14. TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Texas Tech merge with the Big East. They also take Missouri if West Virginia leaves and you have a 14 team conference there that divides perfectly for geography. The ACC stays at 12 and the Big Ten moves to 14. No one is left out and everyone (except the ACC) increases the value of their conference. More $$$ for all, so everyone will be happy. Right? Well, more money, but more mouths to feed. That's up to the conference commissioners to make it worth-while for all the schools.
There are issues here that don't make sense. Why would the Big Ten just allow Texas and Notre Dame to hold onto some of their television rights.
In reality, the preference expressed by Texas' relevant leadership is to depart the Big XII for the Big Ten at the time that gives Texas the greatest leverage in negotiating a new television rights deal.
"Wait, what?" Why does Texas need leverage for a television rights deal. Doesn't the Big Ten want to have leverage for their TV rights deal in 2015? If Notre Dame and Texas approached the Big Ten then I could see how the conference could be "receptive." Obviously there would have to be a lot of work done and differences of opinions resolved in order to integrate the two schools into the Big Ten to go along with the same principles that the rest of the schools live by. If both sides are serious, this won't happen over night, nor does it need to. Notre Dame is already an independent and Texas can survive a few years in whatever is left of the Big XII, if necessary. But the last time we heard the phrase "the Big Ten would be receptive" was when the Big Ten was ready to accept Nebraska. It doesn't sound like the Big Ten is at that point yet with Notre Dame and UT.
Around 5 p.m. that evening, Delany called Perlman.
“The presidents,'' he said, “would be receptive to an application from Nebraska.''
It was intentionally cryptic, the way such conference courtships work, but there was powerful meaning in the words: Nebraska was in.
This latest rumor may be fabricated, but it would be silly to think that DeLoss Dodds hasn't picked up the phone and spoken with at least someone in the Big Ten lately. There are too many press releases over the past month to make one realize that something is up with Notre Dame and Texas. The Longhorns have been too quite lately while everyone else in the Big XII has been screaming at each other. If Tech and Baylor can end up in the Big East, then there is no more "Tech" problem and I think the lure of the Big Ten's academic side stays in the back of everyone's mind in the Austin area.
Of course this may all be moot if BYU accepts an invite to the Big XII.
Take this story for what it' is: One guy with no connections to any inside sources who likes to speculate.
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Not that I really believe it but
I wonder why the Big10 network (which is own 49% by Fox) would want to fold the LHN (ESPN) in with ND (NBC) and not have control over them. Wouldn’t the Big10 be better off telling Texas to drop the LHN? After all the Big10 would hold all the cards (a point you make quite well). I guess ND could give up NBC after this contract is up, but then you have to assume ND would want to give up a long time partner (who stuck with them through thick and thin). So ND would have four in conference rivals (including Texas) and three out of conference ones (USC, Navy, Stanford)? Sounds like a scheduling nightmare. Sure doesn’t give ND much flexibility and a whole lot harder schedule too. Last ND can’t play Texas on Thanksgiving until the Irish contract is up with Stanford after 2019.
yeah
I don’t get where the ND & Texas stuff came in other than the egos of both schools being comparable and therefore a good fit.
Maybe that should be – the egos of the alums of both schools. Maybe they’re the same thing.
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by Jon Johnston on Sep 9, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Notre Dame really just wants an excuse to end the Navy-ND rivalry.
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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 8, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
This had to be off of a Texas website
The first box is just oozing with Texas trying to join into another conference and take control imediatly. BTN is established already and it is a great thing why would Delaney let the LHN come in and push it around and rename it BTN2 this makes no sense. I can understand ND joining in the future but if they do the B1G isn’t going to just let them come in barking orders and that goes for both teams. I don’t foresee any expansion in the near future and Delaney isn’t going to bring in any teams that he feels may have a negative effect on the entire B1G.
Nebraska, The Good Life
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Slam my junk in a car door and light my house on fire...
…tired of hearing about this realignment shit!
That Is The Abridged List of Demands
You left out:
6. All B1G officiating must be approved by Texas
7. B1G offices will be moved to Austin
8. All championship games will be played in Texas
9. All league revenue will be divided evenly among B1G members after 35% is deducted off the top and paid to Texas for the right to play them in football because they invented it
10. Jim Delaney reports to Deloss Dodds, just like Dan Beebe does
"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"
by UltimaRatioRegum on Sep 8, 2011 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And...
11. Indiana must become TexA$$‘, bitch similar to Baylor.
12, Purdue must become TexA$$’, bitch similar to Texas Tech.
The only thing that may work out more gooder is that Michigan State fans would start hating Texas worse than Michigan.
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
In all seriousness
I wouldn’t mind having Texas in the Big Ten, as I think Delany, Michigan, OSU, PSU, and NU would be able to keep them in check. It’d be good for the conference’s recruiting, obviously the money would be good. Add in Notre Dame and you’ve hit the jackpot, no matter how sad sack their football team remains.
That said, if they are to be contained, no special privileges. That means at best these terms get taken under consideration. Absolutely no promises except full membership sometime in the future.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Don't you think we're a bit new to the Big10 to be making these kinds of demands?
We should probably earn our keep first.
If Texas and Notre Dame come knocking...
No way Delaney says no. Just too much money at stake. If he has to take Texas to get to Notre Dame, then so be it. The Irish have been the golden prize of all conferences for decades. The money those two schools would bring to the conference would be beneficial to all members in an equal sharing system.
Here is the general reaction of all of the TV companies when they hear of the possibility of Texas and Notre Dame joining the B1G:
Texas and Oklahoma are staying in the Big 12.
Why would either run away from the easiest AQ conference that’s right in their backyard?
"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 8, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
It doesn't make a ton of sense to me either
I’d say between the two of them, they’d be in the National Title game 3-4 times a decade for the foreseeable future.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Now let's not get crazy.
1 or 2 times, and that’s only if they schedule some stiffer non-conference kids.
Because the rest of the Big 12 isn’t going to push them up onto the pedestal…
"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 8, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see the LHN-BTN issue being that big an issue.
UT opts out of BTN revenue sharing and gets to keep their own network and home games in all sports not picked up by the non-BTN broadcast contracts. There is an additional guarantee of 1 perhaps 2 home football games not picked up by the BTN or the network contract – LHN comes out even or ahead of the current setup.
BTN gets all of the UT road games for free – BTN comes out ahead of the current setup.
Non-BTN broadcast contracts and revenue sharing not effected – they come out ahead with the addition.
By UT opting out of the BTN revenue sharing, all of the conference membership gains.
…win all the way around…
What I don’t buy in this rumor is how the LHN is addressed in item 5, making this a rumor with enough holes to drive a herd of cattle thru – my gut says that any resemblance to truth is more analytical thinking than truth.
UT joining the B1G is a pipe dream, but: There's a snowball's chance in hell UT would be allowed to keep the LHN if they joined the Big Ten
we’re all in this together. we’ve been together as a conference since 1896 or so. we dont backstab or try to screw each other over. we have strong leadership at the top. our presidents have common goals. we compete hard on the football field and collaborate hard in research. we still collaborate in research with the University of Chicago, even though they left the conference back in the 40s.
by LincolnParkWildcat on Sep 8, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we’re all in this together
Nice bumper sticker, but not the most compelling factually.
we didn’t backstab or try to screw each other over
Among the bigger dogs of the Big Ten, neither would UT – we aren’t 8 or 9 dwarfs riding the back of just 3 or 4 programs all the way to the bank.
Keeping their own network in an arrangement that would still be beneficial to all members would not be accurately characterized as trying “To screw each other over.”
It didn’t inhibit adding Nebraska who favored the unbalanced revenue sharing format.
Nebraska didn't dictate the terms of their entry.
These rumors are suggesting that Texas is dictating their terms.
The Big Ten isn’t in the business of being commanded about. They built BTN because ESPN thought they could low-ball them.
I think ESPN is a little more powerful than Texas.
"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...more blanket statements...
Nebraska didn’t dictate the terms of their entry.
Nebraska wasn’t in a position to – they were pursuing a “CYA” maneuver.
They didn’t stand to lose anything – it was an across the board gain.
The Big Ten isn’t in the business of being commanded about.
UT in the Big Ten wouldn’t be in the position to demand others.
They built BTN because ESPN thought they could low-ball them.
This is the issue that gave rise, but in other statements Delany had been considering a conference network for a very, very long time.
I think ESPN is a little more powerful than Texas.
Depends on the perspective – ESPN’s competition has proven they can match in gaining broadcast rights, but in terms of financial contribution to a conference there just aren’t many programs that are comparable to UT.
…none of which provides reason to believe an agreement that would be mutually beneficial across the board would not be considered…
Pete Thamel of the New York Times offers this
There’s a Texas-ND-Big Ten email/blog/conspiracy theory floating around. Its not true. Not even close.
Oh internet, never change!
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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 8, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
damn that guy
for trying to squash a good rumor!!!!!
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by Jon Johnston on Sep 9, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
* "Good" in the sense that it's not real.
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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 9, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

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