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Nebraska vs Washington - Postgame Overreaction

I love you... I LOVE YOU TOO BUT YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE THE BALL

Nebraska wins 51-38. Scoring 51 surprises me - I did not think our offense had it in it.

Riddle me this, Husker fans - did you expect that Nebraska would score over 40 points a game for the first three games this season? I suspect not. It hasn't happened since, oh, 1995. (You'll see that reference everywhere - funny what an affect twitter can have on the football universe.)

The offense looked... like a formidable offense. For the first time in a while, it wasn't just Taylor Martinez. It was a group effort. Glory Glory how wonderful is that to see. This week, for the first time (and I mentioned this on the game thread), the 2011 team accomplished ACHIEVEMENT - SUSTAINED DRIVE - UNLOCKED! -which is something that a lot of Husker fans wanted to see.

Star-divide

Offensive line - you will learn this guy's name - Seung Hoon Choi - Nebraska's new starting left guard. There was something different about today's offensive line. It's easy to say it's the new guy that's starting, but let me tell you about offensive linemen. You put a guy in a line that's part of that unit, and that guy is known for being nasty, known for being mean, known for being f*cking tough as nails, and it changes you. It makes you want to be the same. If this was about Choi - then learn the name, ‘cause he'll start from now on. ( We easily learned Ndamukong, come on.)

With regards to the defense - we have become accustomed to having a team that can put pressure on the quarterback using the front four. That's probably an unrealistic expectation, even with Jared Crick as a defensive lineman.

The defense gave up 39 points, and a crapload of yardage.

Here's my thing with the defense. We have a really young secondary. We have to find playmakers before conference play starts. While Husker fans (like Bo Pelini said) want to see a 50-0 game, I firmly believe that Pelini is putting his secondary in tough situations to purposefully see who's going to be playing come conference season, and who isn't. Is that a reach? Maybe. Do I have any proof? No. It's just a hunch.

With regards to the game - Washington got screwed. They should have had a touchdown before the half because of a muffed punt by Tim Marlowe

Kick Catch Interference. It's as if the rest of the officiating crew wanted to teach a new member about the rule by repeatedly calling it. It could have changed the outcome of the game. Well, until you include the bobbled kickoff by Washington. That wasn't the refs.

Are Husker fans worried about that first game against Wisconsin? Yes. And they should be. Honestly, I'd chalk that one up as a loss. Wisconsin is good, it's at Camp Randall where the Badgers are 26-3 in night games.

This team has shown progression. Taylor Martinez threw the ball to a bunch of young receivers who caught the ball better than we've seen in a while. Kyler Reed's catch in the air was awesome as was Quincy Enunwa stiff-arming a potential Washington tackler into the ground. Kenny Bell can outrun nearly any defense, and while Jamal Turner isn't as explosive as Ameer Abdullah, he's clearly a playmaker.

Good times are ahead. Don't worry about losses. We're going to have some. Worry about the goal this year - win the B1G and get to the Rose Bowl. (It's still really weird to type that. I'm still freaked out by all of this.) 

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I feel like it's been a long time

Since I said this but is anyone else worried about our defense? Damn, we can’t stop the run and our secondary looks like Swiss cheese.

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by Jkbaldwin on Sep 18, 2011 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

As long as

they’re within 10 yards of the receivers on most plays(they haven’t been on a regular basis), I’ll be ok. Otherwise, I’ll be yelling at my TV far too much this year.

It's time for football. GO BIG RED!!

by Brizzle T on Sep 18, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The corners are the biggest problem.

But half of that problem will be fixed when Dennard returns.

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by Cornbadger on Sep 18, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

So many things to take away from this game

Refs – they were a refreshing 12th man for the Huskers.

t-Magic – The scarecrow visited the wizard recently. He showed significant maturity.

D-(only gave up 38, not 39 points) Seemed like a lot more, and probably should have been. This is the one place that I BELIEVE can be improved upon the easiest. They were a bit disappointing, but they are young in the back field. What was the lines excuse?
 
FB-There was a FB sighting in Lincoln Saturday, and it was glorious.

summary – I’m torn, but a win is a win. And there is hope.

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Game on!

by HughSkarr on Sep 18, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Husky fan extending a belated post-game handshake

(I had to sleep on it some in order to not blow another gasket at that officiating)

It was an entertaining game and a tightly fought game until “all the KCIs? ALL THE KCIS.” After that the Huskies looked like they lost their composure and you rolled over us. Your O-line was able to impose its will on our D in the second half, and everything else came from there. I have doubts Martinez will ever look like a polished passer, but he’s learning quickly – he actually started sliding on his runs near the end of the game!

I’ll be rooting for you the rest of the way. You’ve been the friendliest and classiest of our opponents that I can remember, and it’s been a pleasure visiting here. I’m glad that the old adage “familiarity breeds contempt” didn’t apply here. Just, PLEASE fix your defense. Please.

Work hard, play harder, rest easy.

by jwolf0 on Sep 18, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought...

UW was pretty impressive, and Keith Price in particular (I kept wanting to call him Keith Stone ;-). They never really quit and it seems Sark has the Dawgs headed in the right direction. There are some very good skill players on the team and they really did throw everything but the kitchen sink at the Huskers. I’m sure many are thinking the same about NUs defense, but part of the problem was a very good Husky offense. Nonetheless, there is plenty to work on and it WILL be worked on. I see good things ahead for Udub! Thanks for the class post!

by riff on Sep 18, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks man,

appreciated. Best of luck the rest of the season.

"The guts carry the feet, not the feet the guts."
- Cervantes

by crusader34 on Sep 18, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a Husker fan...

4 things that made this game what it was.

#1. The first KCI was a 3-10 point swing. It was a bogus call and we got lucky. I will remember that call later on down the road when we inevitably get a bad call that goes against us. All 3 were bad calls that never should of happened, but the 2nd two weren’t nearly as important.

#2. In the 2 games we’ve played against Washington where Martinez was healthy, we’ve scored 8 2nd half TDs. Either the Washington D lacks the depth or the conditioning to finish the game. I can’t say I blame the KCI as the catalyst of their collapse, since we did the same thing last year without any such penalties.

#3. I think the Huskers thought the Huskies were going to pack it in once we went up three scores w/ a quarter to play. When we realized they weren’t, we kicked it back into gear and threw up 2 more scores. Call it what you will…we expected to coast and got called on it. We were lucky to pull it out. I give major credit to Washington for never giving up.

#4. The turnovers from Washington(and more importantly a lack of turnovers from our offense) is really what made this game for me. The Price-David int was deep into our territory and directly took points off the board, and that botched kick return was just a dagger. I feel so bad for that kid. He is probably still puking himself to sleep over that one.

Good game Washington. Please beat the pants of Colorado when you play them.

by Speerdo on Sep 18, 2011 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Safety Play

What does Stafford bring to the table that PJ Smith or Osborne doesnt? Smith got benched last year for not tackling…Stafford looks like the next version of Thenarse…even wears the same number.

by Conspiracy* on Sep 18, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Huskies will compete well in thier league

Me thinks the Huskies have good players on both sides of the ball, some very outstanding performances, your coaching staff should be good enough to steal some games in conference. Your schemes are good on both sides of the ball, just need to keep making progress, doing that & no one better able take you for granted.

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by nubig10 on Sep 18, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

One thing that seems to be lost on the day...

We beat Washington, we got revenge! Remember, this is the team that completely embarrassed us in the Holiday bowl and threw off Pelini’s groove. That loss made the 8 months between the season excessively miserable. I guarantee you that Washington wanted to win that game yesterday just as bad as our guys did, and our guys came out and (almost) made a statement when they were up 44-17 early in the 4th quarter. If that had been the final score, I really don’t think anyone would be that worried about the defense today. Unfortunately Washington kept fighting (good for them), and Pelini admitted in his postgame press conference that he didn’t coach the 4th quarter well and that he was trying some different things on defense.

Nonetheless, I’m still concerned about our defense…but the more experience these young guys get the better. When we get Dennard back the secondary will look a lot better, I’m sure of it.

by Billgrip on Sep 18, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Our offense can match Wisconsin's, if they play like they did yesterday afternoon.

And if so, I like our ability to win a shootout. Bo’s unnatural calmness is very unsettling.

This has been an excellent set of non-conference tune-ups. Each presented their own challenges.

UTC allowed Beck to play with the offense and see what works and what doesn’t.
Fresno State hit us in the mouth and forced our young team to show grit and determination.
Washington showed the team that they cannot give up, no matter how many TDs ahead we are.

Wyoming will show us that we can’t overlook any opponent. Looks at Minnesota and Michigan State

We’ll be ready for Wisconsin, mark it down.

"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 18, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd venture to say

every game from here on out will come down to line play. For every opponent, just look at how the o-line and d-line matches up. If Nebraska has the advantage, they’ll win 9/10. If they do not, it will be a mighty struggle.

I was pretty sure midway through the first quarter this ref crew hadn’t actually seen a football game before, and were just winging it.

by rzor on Sep 18, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

what the hell is this constant obsession with wisconsin?

Its almost getting embarrassing, I mean, we aren’t iowa state where we live to play one game a season – our big brother iowa.

Last I checked we were nebraska, where we set our own standards and not sit like little pussies in the closet afraid of the upcoming beatdown in camp randall.

by SteveW0720 on Sep 18, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It's excitement about our new playmates.

Calm down. Next we’ll obsess about Ohio State, then Minnesota (FOR TWO WEEKS) and then down the schedule.

We’re still Nebraska.

And what upcoming beatdown at Randall? I don’t understand why people are so high on Wisconsin.

They haven’t faced a BCS-level defense yet this season. And The Rose Bowl Genius is still their OC.

"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 18, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me they aren't the best team in the Big 10.

Nebraska beats them and they can really look at running the table.

Plus look for Gameday to be there. It will be the center of the college football on that weekend.

Not that I think Nebraska has a chance up there.

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by JLew on Sep 18, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree they're the best team on paper.

I’m just annoyed with the gloom and doom!

"I did dumb things." - Tim Beck, Nebraska's new OC

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Sep 18, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we definitely have a chance

Bo’s teams almost always play well on the road. I think we’ll lose, but we’ll play our best game of the season to date and they aren’t that much better than us. For one we’ve played much tougher opposition the last two weeks, while they’ve vaporized (like good teams do) the hopelessly outmatched opponents they’ve played.

Wisconsin strikes me as a team that’s much further along in their development than Nebraska. I think they’ll win in Madison, but if we avoid injuries, I think we’ll have a better than even chance of beating them in Indy in December.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 18, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm way to happy

about the offense to get mad at the Defense. how many times have they pulled the offense out of the fire in a game. they should get the same from the offense. they are not a complete team yet but they took a huge stride in that direction yesterday. Plus Tyler Legate is my new hero, what a beast up the middle!!!!!

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by Beranek5225 on Sep 18, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a great amount of sympathy for Washington and those missed calls

But those calls didn’t lose them the game, not even close. Well, really we’re talking about 2 calls. The first and the worst was the phantom kick catch interference penalty at the end of the half, more on that later. The second one was not so costly, but it was still a bad call (well timed hit on Burkhead, 15 yard penalty). The third one UW partisans are up in arms about was a completely correct call. On all kicks, either kickoffs or punts, the kick catch interference rule is in effect until the ball hits the ground. That’s why you see most onside kicks driven into the ground by the kicker, so the kicking team can crash into the receiving players as the ball gets there. UW didn’t do that, so they had to give NU a chance at catching it, which they did not do.

Anyway, back to how those two calls didn’t really affect the game. The second one didn’t matter at all (anyone think those 15 yards was the difference between our offense scoring on that drive and not? me neither). So we’re down to the really bad call. First thing we have to know is that the ball might very well have hit a UW player before it hit the NU player. If that’s the case, it’s still a bad 15 yard flag against UW, but it would’ve been rightfully NU’s ball anyway, which takes a lot of the edge off of that screwup. If not, well you can’t advance a muff, so it would’ve been UW’s ball around the NU 30. Hardly the automatic “10 point swing” we’ve heard so much about from UW partisans.

Even with the 10 point swing though, UW still loses this game, maybe by more than had things gone the way they actually did. NU still dominated the first 20 minutes of the second half without the refs help, putting up 24 unanswered points through a combination of our excellence and their incompetence. Now here’s where I get the “UW might have been worse off had they gotten that call at the end of the half” line of reasoning. UW’s 21 4th quarter points was a crystal clear example of our defense letting down with the game well in hand. A string of 3 td’s in 7 minutes when they’d only managed 17 points in the first 50? There’s no question what happened there. My contention is that with a 17 point lead as opposed to a 27 point lead, our defense doesn’t fall asleep like that (or at least doesn’t do it until later in the 4th), probably giving up 7 or maybe 14 instead of 21, while the offense would’ve gone on doing its own thing.

It’s a classic case of UW fans wanting to have their cake and eat it too. If they get the 10 point swing at the end of the first half, they almost certainly don’t get all 21 points in the 4th quarter.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 18, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I Must Disagree

I understand your point, however, about the point swing. Talking about points cost one way or another is silly.

However, did you not post in the Dawgpound about intangibles? Momentum and team morale- aren’t those almost assuredly the most important of them all, especially with a team like Washington that has dizzying highs and lows? The first penalty was the larger of the two in terms of impact, and the second was the icing on the cake. By the time that was over, Washington was all over the place. The game was already over, and only leadership was able to bring them back around.
Did the refs change the outcome? We have no idea whatsoever. I think that those who claim it did are silly. But did it change the course of the game? Unquestionably it did. I would much rather have lost 70-17 and not have had those calls happen than 51-38 with those penalties. It is tainted to me. Even when it looked like they may have come back, I was completely out of it- victory or defeat, two horrible calls changed the course of the game.

I also think the same of one of victories from a few years ago, the win over Arizona due to the Immaculate Interception. I think the ball hit the ground. That call changed the course of the game and, in that case, almost certainly the outcome. It left a really bad taste in my mouth. This game also left a bad taste in my mouth. Point swings and outcome reversals are silly things to talk about. Course changes? Not so silly and for someone who talked up intangibles pre-game it is confusing from my angle why you ignore it now.

Still though, one of the better posts from the pre-game thread!

by Fanfman on Sep 18, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do put a great deal of emphasis on intangibles

I was generally referring to pre-game preparation and focus, etc. I won’t further beat the dead horse on whether the calls changed the course of the game (I obviously still don’t, I think NU’s offense controlling the line of scrimmage, but I can concede the possibility that the penalties MAYBE affected Washington mentally for a time in the 3rd). In any case, those two blown calls were really too bad, and like you said, puts a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. NU fans feel like they’ve had some legitimacy stolen from a really good win and UW fans are left to wonder what might’ve been, so really its a crappy situation for both side.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 19, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

NU's offense controlling the line of scrimmage would've ultimately won us the game anyway**

/finishing thoughts is good

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 19, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Doubt

I don’t think Washington wins the game no matter what because NU had an advantage in physicality. I am just saying that the course was changed and it really does suck for everyone. But oh well- when we thrash the Golden Bears, all will be better.

by Fanfman on Sep 19, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The penalties did make a difference...

On Jermaine Kearse’s first touchdown, he didn’t stop and slam the ball into the ground. He was jogging and threw the ball toward the ground. I guess I can give you that. Although if that was an NU player, would you feel that was an excessive celebration?

The Jermaine Kearse on-side kick interference call was good. I’ll give you that one.

The Dennison penalty is obvious. BAD CALL.

On the Trufant call, the NU receiver never waved for a fair catch. Fair game to unload if he doesn’t once the ball touches him. Fair catch or not, the rule states: ARTICLE 1. A player of the receiving team within the boundary lines attempting to catch a kick, and so located that he could have caught a free kick or a scrimmage kick that is beyond the neutral zone, must be given an unimpeded opportunity to catch the kick (A.R. 6-3-1-III, A.R. 6-4-1-V and A.R. 6-4-1-X). He was given the opportunity to catch the ball. Why? Because he CAUGHT it. How could there be an question if he caught it? There was no simultaneous contact as the replay showed over and over again. He caught it and was tackled by Trufant. BAD CALL.

I do think it would have made a difference. Our defense was playing bad (465 total yards allowed), but your defense was not any better (420 total yards allowed). You take away those penalties and its an even game. Down to the wire…

by rmunoz on Sep 19, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

I’m much more worried about our kick coverage and kick return teams than I am about our defense. Bo and Carl will get the defense going (I thought they did a good job of bending but not breaking for the first 50 minutes). Special teams have a tendency to be more of a nagging problem if you start the season with them. Our return team handed UW 7 and nearly handed them 3-7 more yesterday. Our coverage team allowed them to have good field position most of the day.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 18, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

My opinion on the "blown" calls...

I was at the game but I’m basing my assessment on rewatching the plays in question on tape and reading the NCAA Football 2011 and 2012 Rules And Interpretations guide.

According to Rule 6 Section 4 Article 1c:

“It is an interference foul if the kicking team contacts the potential receiver before, or simultaneous to, his first touching the ball (A.R. 6-4-1-II, III, and VIII). When in question, it is an interference foul”.

The infraction in the first play was called on #31 Dennison. In the tape it appears the ball almost hits Dennison’s helmet and lands so close to him that it almost hits his left foot. However… it does not appear that Dennison impeded our potential receiver by contacting him before or simultaneous to, his first touching the ball. My conclusion is that this was a bad call.

Unfortunately for Washington, according to the NCAA Football 2011 Instant Replay Case Book, the following did not allow for this bad call to be corrected…

Limitations on Reviewable Plays—Rule 12-3-6
84. Kick-catch Interference
On a kickoff to start the game, A12 attempts an onside kick. The ball possibly hits the ground as soon as it leaves the tee and bounds high in the air to the Team A 43-yard line, where B25 signals for a fair catch. A20 contacts B25 before the ball arrives and A30 recovers it. Officials rule kick-catch interference. RULING: Not reviewable.

However, the statement in Jon’s article that “They should have had a touchdown before the half because of a muffed punt by Tim Marlowe.” is also wrong.

According to Rule 6 Section 3 Article 6:

“ARTICLE 6. a. If a player of the kicking team catches or recovers a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone, the ball becomes dead (A.R. 6-3-1-IV). The ball belongs to the receiving team at the dead-ball spot, unless the kicking team is in legal possession when the ball is declared dead. In the latter case, the ball belongs to the kicking team.”

Even though our player was not impeded the ball would have been dead so Washington would not have been given the touchdown. This was confirmed by Matt Millen during the broadcast that it would have been Washington’s ball from the spot. Who knows what would have happened if Washington had received the ball on 26 yard line as they should have.

Now for the second call on Burkead’s return… the fact that Rex caught the ball is irrelevant. The question is whether he was contacted before, or simultaneous to, his first touching the ball. Obviously he was not contacted before but it is not unreasonable to conclude he was contacted simultaneous to touching the ball and still made a great catch. The important point is in the rule where it states “When in question, it is an interference foul”. In this case I concluded this was a reasonable call… if I was a Washington fan I wouldn’t like it either but if you’re going to play Monday morning official… you have to be fair.

I’ll be interested to hear from others on my assessment of these 2 calls.
 

by HuskerDad on Sep 18, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed on all counts

I haven’t seen a replay of the hit on Burkhead, but the combination of “simultaneous” and “when in question, it’s a penalty” makes the call at least plausible. In any case, that was the least consequential of the calls.

Assuming the ball didn’t hit the UW player first, that’s a major screw job on UW, although like you noted, it’s under no circumstances an automatic TD for them. Can’t advance a muff. Never have been able to.

The kickoff call is a cut and dried case. Absolutely the right call. At that point the UW faithful are are already pissed at the refs and to have another interference penalty in an unusual situation just set them off. But yeah, I’m not apologizing for that one, it was the right call.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 18, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And I was unaware of the rule on the kickoff call, as you explained in your post earlier.

The Burkhead hit was about as inconsequential as any 15-yard penalty could be. It didn’t affect possession, it didn’t put the Huskers anywhere near field goal range, it didn’t even affect the down and distance. Instead of having 1st and 10 at the 24, Nebraska got 1st and 10 at the 39 (before the sideline warning, which was all Washington’s fault). That’s it.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 18, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops

Accidentally posted early.

As for the first kick-catch interference penalty, everyone agrees it was a legitimately bad call, and it made a much bigger difference than the other two. But as jdhusker explained above, it was a long, long ways from being a deciding call in the game.

I get why Washington fans are blaming the refs. It’s human nature, and the refs actually made a bad call. It’s also a lot easier to point the finger than to point the thumb.

But even after the Texas A&M game last year, which I would submit was possibly the most obviously and repeatedly that referees have unfairly influenced the outcome of a game in recent college football history, we all knew (and many of us said) that Nebraska’s poor offense cost them the game at least as much as the refs did. Washington fans are going to have to come to that realization, too – only with their defense. Blaming the refs for your losses feels good and makes for good butthurt fuel, but it’s almost never based in reality, and it isn’t in this case, either.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 18, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I believe that the refs changed the course of the game- not the outcome, per se. The only game I have personally watched that was decided due to refs was Super Bowl XL- the Seahawks completely outplayed the Steelers and were screwed.

by Fanfman on Sep 18, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that game!

I wasn’t so much going for the Seahawks as much as I was going against the Steelers, but that was very very bad. I’d have to disagree with the officials “deciding” the game—the Seahawks still had chances to win, but they definitely deserved to win and did not because of the officials.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I call deciding

When points or very big plays are reversed and directly impacted the game. Without those awful calls, the Seahawks own a Lombardi trophy with at least a double digit win.
They still had chances, of course, which is why as angry as I am at the refs I shrug my shoulders and say, “No one told you to throw that pick, H-Back, even if the previous play was a long pass to Stevens inside the end zone that was called back on a stupid call.”

by Fanfman on Sep 19, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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