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A&M to the SEC is becoming real. Direct from DeLoss Dodds.

Wow. Crazy things can happen in a day. I clipped a whole bunch of articles from this morning about the A&M to SEC rumors and was going to put a piece together about it, but most of those links are already out-dated. Hell, this article might be out of date by the time I finish it. Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma may have applied to the B1G by then. Anyway, this morning, I was pretty skeptical of things until it seemed like the "giggem' hit the fan" this afternoon.

In what is apparently a big "EFF YOU" to Texas, A&M appears headed out the door to the SEC next week. There is a board of regents meeting scheduled for next Tuesday to discuss conference affiliation of the A&M athletic teams. The SEC is holding a special expansion meeting this weekend.

There is also a meeting with the Texas "Higher Education Committee" next week that will go over the pros and cons of realignment and how it would affect the Texas schools. Lot's of important people are going to be there.

The committee says Commissioners Dan Beebe of the Big 12 and Mike Slive of the SEC are to testify, as are Texas A&M President R. Bowen Loftin and A&M system board of regents chairman Richard A.Box.

People have long thought that A&M and UT will always be joined at the hip because their strength helps out the other schools in the state. However, A&M may be able to leave Texas behind for another conference using the reasoning, "Texas schools will be better because A&M and UT will both still be in BCS conferences. As long as UT stays in the Big XII, Baylor and TT will be ok AND they can replace A&M with a school like SMU or Houston. Thus, there will be ANOTHER Texas school in a BCS conference and, thus, more $$$ for the Texas school system.

The Texas State Legislature probably won't be able to get involved in this issue because they are out of session until 2013 (go unicameral go) and the only person that can request a special session is the governor who is an aggie. He is too busy preaching his way to a second-to-last place finish in the presidential race (Even he can beat Sarah Palin right?). This doesn't mean that there won't be serious stuff for A&M to have to deal with come 2013, but by then cooler heads may have prevailed.

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To top things off, Austin American Stateman sports columnist Kirk Bohls has been tweeting a conversation he is having with DeLoss Dodds this afternoon about the situation. Some of the highlights include:

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds tells me "it looks to me like they're leaving," says he thinks B12 would be OK with 9 teams, prefers 10.

Dodds expects Big 12 survival, unsure if Texas would keep playing A&M

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me the UT staff "is working on 20 names" for possible replacements for Texas A&M.

Asked if Pac-12 could be destination for Texas, AD DeLoss Dodds says, "I'd put that down as an option. I don't know if it's viable option."

Holy cow, this is a wealth of information. DeLoss Dodds, the athletic director of the University of Texas is pretty much throwing in the towel when it concerns A&M. This is a guy that should know what's going down and if he is already "working on 20 names for possible replacements" then I think it's safe to say that this is about as done a deal as it can be without all the papers signed.

This is actually happening people. Texas A&M is going to move to the SEC very soon. The ducks are all lining up in a row and this could be the dawn of the super conference era.

Now for my opinion. I really don't care what Texas A&M does. What changed, though? As far as I can tell, nothing has really changed from last year. Did someone beat a few important Aggies over the head to knock some sense into them? Who knows if they will be competitive in the SEC? It can't be any worse that the Big XII south right? Or can it? Their only conference title was when they upset K-State in 1998. I'm not going to jump on the boat that says they will struggle mightily in the SEC, but it wouldn't shock me to see them become an afterthought. They were making headwinds in the Big XII and will very likely compete for the conference title this year. Their olympic sports may do very well there, though, and it will be interesting to see how their baseball team adjusts. They've been guaranteed a lot of $$$ in the Big XII so they won't see a big monetary gain. Of course, with expansion, Mike Silve (SEC commish) might try to renegotiate the TV contracts that could potentially dwarf the PAC-12's deal from a few months ago.

My personal feelings on this are that A&M is doing this just to give Texas the middle finger. It may be a good move it may not, but emotions are more in control here than rationality. But then again, some people might have said the same thing about Nebraska's move to the B1G.

As for team #14? (You can't have odd division numbers right?) There has been a ton of speculation lately about Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Missouri, or Oklahoma. The Hokies say that they aren't interested. As of this post, only Florida State has been reported to be talking with the SEC. But it's just a report.

So what are your thoughts? Is this good for A&M or not? Who will team #14 be?

EDIT: As more information becomes available, it will be posted here.

Oklahoma officials believe Texas A&M headed to SEC. Options are being discussed.

There is currently no contact between the SEC and Florida State.

From Teddy Greenstein.

Lots of bargining going on.

The SEC official said he wondered if the SEC presidents would vote for A&M only if they were assured that a team from within one of their states — Florida State, Clemson or Georgia Tech, for example — would not be added.

Poll
Will Texas A&M be competitive in the SEC?
You bet. The world will soon know with Nebraska winning the B1G and A&M winning the SEC that the best football is played in the plains.
81 votes
They're gonna get hammered.
107 votes
They will be a mid-level football program just like they were in the Big XII.
394 votes

582 votes | Poll has closed

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The Texas State Legislature probably won’t be able to get involved in this issue because they are out of session until 2013 (go unicameral go)…

Trust me, as bat shit crazy as our legislature is, nobody would be on the winning end of it going unicameral. :-)

There is so much beauty because life can be so symmetrical that it gives birth to this almost silent poetry . . . (like) a girl who's terrible at grammar saying, "Mama, you raised me good," and then being pushed down a well . . .

by lnghrn53 on Aug 12, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

You guys may hear more about this than we are

let’s assume for a minute that this is going to happen. Does the Big 12 start shopping for a new 10th team, or do they just resign themselves to 9? If they’re shopping, any theories yet?
And of course, do we assume this is the next domino to push the Big 10 and Pac 12 to 14 each?
Real football is so close, and it’s going to be interesting just getting there

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 12, 2011 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I kinda hope the next move is Texas to the SEC

…nothing quite like watching someone’s emotional based move blow up in their face.

I am guessing Big 12 expansion depends on their broadcast contract.
No expansion if they can work a deal where they just gives up 10% of the broadcast contract.
No majors would be interested, not even the Big East,.
TCU might consider the conference too toxic to leave the East.
If expansion comes, lots of mid major candidates. Look for one outside Texas to expand audience.

by ProveIt on Aug 12, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think Texas would go to the SEC

I dont think the SEC would be a good academic fit for them

by LincolnParkWildcat on Aug 12, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, that'd be a blast

TCU switching from Big East to Big 12 before they ever play a down in the Big East.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol@ Notre Dame

The others are realistic options…..maybe. It’s obvious that Texas’ out of control ambitions are going to tear that conference apart as long as there’s someone like A&M or OU with both a spine and options. Who knows, maybe Bevo wants to be overlord of a Big East-type conference that they can dominate year in and year out.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

With no championship game they could glide through like U$C did under Carrol.

Hell they could go independent with that huge ass deal of theirs. Scheduling would be hard but doable.

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 12, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely doable

Every year play:

Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Notre Dame

+ 3 or 4 body bag games

and then an annual game against someone from each of the BCS conferences. They could do it, no problem. That said, I think maybe they’d prefer heading up an ultra weak Big 12 and at minimum go to the Fiesta Bowl every year.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

They could get Army or Navy every other year or something.

If Mizzou bolts with A&M but BYU, AF, and Houston come in the ship can be righted. But if OU and OSU leave too? Then Texas is alone amongst bottom dwellers and former mid majors. Could the BXII lose their AQ?

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 12, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the Big East kept theirs

I think the status quo bias in favor of the BCS conferences would save them.

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, K-State, ISU, Air Force, Houston, maybe BYU and TCU? That’s much, much stronger than the Big East.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Big East kept their due the fact who else could.

The MWC was the TCU and Utah show.
The Wac was all Boise St.
The MAC? lololol no.
Sun Belt? Nooooooooooooope.
The C-USA was the only Non-AQ with more than two teams that actually competed for the conference every year but still not as strong as the Big East was at the time.
Bias helped so much though.
Plus WVU has many fans and monies.
I think 2014 is the end of the review cycle so we are gonna have to wait on that train of thought.

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 12, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you go back over a longer period of time...

…BYU has been the most major ready team with a sizable fan base and a decent size athletic budget.

It is more of an issue of getting past all the extra baggage they drag around.

by ProveIt on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Houston will take their place

But the SEC is not going to stop with just A&M. They are using A&M as a building block for a much bigger picture. Florida State looks to be a lock. That leaves 2 open spots to make it 16. I bet they will go after Oklahoma and Okie State. If they do not get them, then North Carolina and an at large bid. Texas is not going to swallow their pride and go any where. They have sealed their fate as a future independent or part of another Non-AQ conference.

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

No ACC NC team will leave.

Tobacco road is a weird culture in that they all hate each other.
A 16 team SEC conference would be to unwieldy and they know that, 14 will the stopping point I think. If not FSU then look to Mizzou, USF or maybe a mid major to even it out.
A&M is closer to the SEC in culture than any other in the BXII, I think that OU and OSU are just to different culturally.

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 12, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo. We have a winner!

I firmly believe, the more I think about it, that Mike Slive had A&M hold off one year until the SEC could get more teams aligned. He recently stated that adding 4 more teams would only take a phone call.

by burmbuster on Aug 12, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This whole realignment thing is alot more fun when we know we're safe

Also wouldn’t a 14 member SEC mean a 14 member Big Ten? And who would the Big Ten go for?

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

or 16, whatever

It seems like those two conferences are kind of the big boys in college athletics. (talking political and monetary clout here)

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame....

They almost signed last year when this started. They can’t afford to be left out as the conferences grow. Then maybe Mizzou if the SEC doesnt take them first.

by burmbuster on Aug 12, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Mizzou (as much as I hate them) would probably be a pretty good fit in the Big Ten. They’ve already got rivalry type things going on with Illinois and Nebraska and don’t really like Iowa either. ND is pretty obvious whenever the Irish decide to make the jump.

So assuming 16, who’s next after that in each conference? OU and OSU have been mentioned….Pittsburgh gets talked about alot on the Big Ten’s end.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is my guess on others.....

OU and OSU to SEC. SEC will move a western division team over to the east. They will also have added A&M and FSU. If not the state of Okies then maybe Georgia Tech (used to be in the SEC) and Mizzou.

Big 10 will have ND, Mizzou, and two teams from the Big East
 The Pac 10 will move to add Texas, Baylor, and who ever is left in the big 12.
The ACC and Big East will have to merge.

by burmbuster on Aug 12, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess

If 14 then Mizzou and Pitt. If 16 teams then Mizzou, Pitt, ND, VTech. To me that best fits the academics, TV sets, competitive balance, and geography…

I would bet that the B1G offices are rather busy right now… And I can’t imagine ND would jump completely to the Big East, and I don’t think they sit it out…

by Grixxly on Aug 13, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had a thought.

What if the B1G took Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and…BYU? It’s all about $$$ right?

In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 12, 2011 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

No chance

The presidents aren’t going to accept BYU. It is all about cash, but football isn’t the big source of cash, it’s research. They might be willing to overlook that for ND because of the big name factor, BYU won’t

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 12, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The B1G will not take Texas.

No way Jim Delaney allows Texas to retain BTN.

by Husker Mike on Aug 12, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No conference will.

Unless they ditch its try to stitch the BXII back together or become independent.

by RjTheMetalhead on Aug 12, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like your thinking...

…but the Big Ten won’t abandon the academic thing ruling out OU and Okie Lite.

BYU brings too much baggage.

Texas and ND are certainly viable candidates. There are options around the LHN.

by ProveIt on Aug 12, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green and Gold

The winner in this whole mess will be whoever can catch the leprechaun. So far the Pac, B10, and SEC have been picking apart the Big 12 like vultures to a carcass. Dan Beebe’s resignation will be in 3….2……1

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Dan Beebe and the Big XII Finally Admits What We All Know

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/7695423.html

Earlier Friday, an A&M official said Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe had told A&M president R. Bowen Loftin that the Big 12 would survive without the Aggies and that UT holds the key to the long-term future of the Big 12. The A&M official added that the Big 12 believes Houston would be a viable candidate to replace the Aggies.

by Husker Mike on Aug 12, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This may be quite out there...

But I would not be surprised to wake up 5 years from now and have the B12 with teams such as boise st, smu, tcu in it. While the SEC consumes the florida teams(miami, fsu, usf, hell maybe even ucf.)

by Fake Pelini on Aug 12, 2011 10:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Longhorn Blackhole

Oklahoma has the capability to escape its event horizon. Will they bolt for PAC, SEC, B10 or stick with UT to the bitter end?

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Your right Beebe

UT is the key….to your enormous paycheck.

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a board of regents meeting scheduled for next Tuesday to discuss conference affiliation of the A&M athletic teams.

The BoR meeting was moved from the 22nd to Monday (not Tuesday). The Texas Legislative committee meeting that was called, was set up for Tuesday. After that meeting was set up, then the BoR moved their meeting to Monday…presumably to make their decision and vote to move to the SEC before even meeting with the Legislature.

What changed, though? As far as I can tell, nothing has really changed from last year.

Well, they all knew the LHN was coming. But I guess they were duped into believing that either it wouldn’t be that bad…or that it could be changed into more of a Big XII network. That’s what Redhawk down at CCM thought. When this talk of A&M started up a few weeks ago, he was thinking it’s just A&M being whiney little brothers (much like they thought Nebraska was being whiney). THEN over the last week, the ESPN/Texas contract became public, and everyone saw exactly what Texas wanted. They felt lied to between what DeLoss Dodds said publicly, and what Texas was actually going to do under contract (the conference games and HS games on the LHN bit). In addition, reports came out that ESPN was trying to strongarm Texas Tech into being the team to allow a conference game on the LHN (apparently under the threat that if they didn’t agree, no Texas Tech game would be on ABC/ESPN this year). Now even Redhawk, while being no fan of Texas in the first place but was giving them the benefit of the doubt, is in the “OU should move, with or without OSU, this conference can not last” camp.

So this week, what had been mostly fan chatter about how they’d like to go to the SEC, and sketchy talk about conversations going on (and hey, I’m not surprised about conversations happening all the time…even though nothing comes from it 99.9% of the time), now it’s “We’re doing this, we’re getting the F outta here”.

by Wolvie on Aug 12, 2011 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me the UT staff "is working on 20 names" for possible replacements for Texas A&M.

That should tell you everything you need to know. Dan Beebe and the Big XII Conference staff aren’t working on possible replacements. It’s DeLoss Dodds and UT staff.

by Wolvie on Aug 12, 2011 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Pathetic really

Texas just totally owns that conference. I’m not sure what to think of Beebe. I know that sounds like a funny thing to say, but really I can’t tell if he’s just weak, a willing participant, or a blackmailed victim of Bevo.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 12, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

20 names lol

“We are sooo cool” “We are soooo wanted by everyone” lol. The other teams at this point have got to be wondering….“This conference is being held together by the wind”

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it’s being held together by love and togetherness. Remember, when us whiney b****es Nebraska left, the conference was now all lovey-dovey. Everything was roses now that the Big Red Blowhards took their ball and ran away.

It couldn’t POSSIBLY be someone else’s fault all along.

by Wolvie on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One minute

Dan Beebe is saying that everyone in the conference is in it together, and upon hearing that A&M is considering the door says….We don’t really need you anyways, UT is all that matters for our success. Not only is that a major glaring crack in his integrity but it is also saying to the other members that you are worthless and easily replaceable unless you are Texas.

I am expecting OU and OSU to start heading for the door here very quick. No way they take that national disrespect from their own conference commissioner saying they are second on the totem poll to Texas. OU has way too much self-respect to stick around any longer.

by BledRed on Aug 12, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fans have too much self respect

I’m hoping their administration will get a backbone. Last year, their AD said (paraphrasing) “We’re Texas’ B****”. Whatever Texas did, Oklahoma was going to follow.

It appears that this year, that may not necessarily hold true. We’ll see.

And, for the record, I’m not advocating OU leaving the Big XII, or intentionally separating from Texas. But they should do their own due dilligence and make their decision based on what’s best for Oklahoma. Completely independant of what Texas does. I will say I don’t agree that what’s best for OU is to be tied to Texas.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah its just A&M who's suddenly being irrational and whiney

Shame they can’t see the beautiful conference that Texas has built for them.

Putting aside the snark for a minute, anyone else find it a tad ironic that most Aggie fans still look at us as whiners and sellouts even though they’re about to do the same thing for pretty much the same reasons?

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that over at IAmThe12thMan too

We may have different SPECIFIC reasons, but ultimately it’s the same reason. Texas.

We didn’t like the constant (and increasing) Texas-centric nature of the conference, the losing of 11-1 votes, the clear lack of stability.

They don’t like being Texas’ little brother (Texas-centric nature), the lies and strongarming concerning the LHN. They see, as we did before them, that Texas will do whatever they want, regardless of how it affects their conference-mates. I mean, even IF the other Big XII schools could get their own networks, or started a conference (minus Texas) conference, they couldn’t have their games against Texas on those networks.

The Aggies are right to do what they’re doing. It’s silly they can’t (or refuse to) see we were right to do what we did as well.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You bring up a interesting idea.

What if the other 9 schools in the Big 12 got together and formed their own conference, maybe even invited SMU, Houston and TCU into the fold? They would have 12 members, probably get Automatic Qualifying status and simultaneously give the middle finger to Texas and Beebe?

It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.

by nateforchiefs on Aug 13, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that wasn't an idea I meant to float out there

But I’ve seen the question asked a couple of places. “What if the other 9 voted to throw out Texas?” And presumably, your follow up would occur, where the remaining 9 would invite other schools to join them.

Don’t think it’ll happen.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I don't think that would happen

I think it would be awesome if it did!

It is what it is and we are who we are.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.

by nateforchiefs on Aug 13, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought it was really funny

when DeLoss said “ND and Texas could start a new conference.” If I was a sooner fan, that comment would have pissed me off.

In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 13, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeLoss Dodds

The new Co-Commissioner of the Big XII conference ladies and gentleman. How can the Texas AD be making a decision for the conference? How more blatantly corrupt can you get? How can the NCAA sit idle by and allow this obvious conflict of interest to continue?

by BledRed on Aug 13, 2011 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know that the NCAA has much to do with it

This isn’t about the student athletes. This isn’t about whether or not they’re getting special benefits, or a coach is contacting recruits out-of-season.

If a conference wants to let one team run things, that’s their business. And if one of the conference-mates decides to call “Bull****” and move, that’s their business too.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

New Co-Commissioner. LOL ! That's freaking awesome!

That’s funny. I’m sorry, I’m stealing that bit of wizardry and introducing it to the Crimson and Cream Machine site.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Aug 14, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was epic

I lost control when he got to the part about A&M’s game against KSU and the qb getting suspended.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Man, Too Funny!!!

Should offer a link to all the other Big12 fan sites, but might be a little too painful for them.

"What everybody echoes or in silence passes by as true today may turn out to be falsehood tomorrow, mere smoke of opinion." Thoreau

by UltimaRatioRegum on Aug 13, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with this future

If what we think will happen on Monday does happen, I have a real hard time thinking only A&M will be missing from the next Big eXIIt Media Days. And ISU won’t be the next ones to go.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness

I think Dirk was going with the “most humor is derived from a LITTLE truth” principle.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 1:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe it's been said already....

I didn’t read all the posts, but what stands out to me is Deloss Dodds speaking like he’s Big 12 commissioner, speaking for the entire conference on what happens next……AND, A&M competing for the conference title this year?…..YEAH RIGHT, like the B12 would let that happen! Beebe is looking more like a clown every minute!

by riff on Aug 13, 2011 5:16 AM CDT reply actions  

SEC!

Well texas, you got the big head, let the money get in the way, and now A&M is joining the SEC! The Aggies will become a better football team, competing in the BEST FOOTBALL CONFERENCE EVER SEEN while you are left to play the dregs of college football like Baylor, T-Tech and the like. hope you have fun playing in the LITTLE 8 for the rest of your pathetic football lives! Longhorns done been left with no chairs when the music stops! I bet Oklahoma would rather play in C-USA as be stuck with you lame money grubbers for too much longer! HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by VOLFAN-THE REAL UT! on Aug 13, 2011 7:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Please dear Jesus and Tom Osborne:

 Big10 invite…Big10 Invite….Big10 Invite

(from an OU fan)

by Redhawk on Aug 13, 2011 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I saw a rumor

That the Big Ten had already turned down both OSU and OU for academic reasons. I’m hoping its not true, and honestly it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me….I wouldn’t think OU’s academics would be all that much worse than Nebraska’s.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rumor that I saw about OU being rejected for academics

Was a bit more involved than that. The rumor was that OU, OSU, Missouri, and another school approached the B1G as a package deal, and was rejected.

While there are questions whether or not OU’s academics are “good enough” for the B1G, it’s quite possible that the rejection was due to OSU and that other team. If OU goes to Delany individually, or perhaps with just Mizzou as a two-pack, maybe they have a better shot.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

We have to remember what the Big 10 is ultimately a sports conference. Would they REALLY let Oklahoma go because of their eggheads? I would also think that academics is something that could be improved upon a lot more easily than a long time winning sports tradition that OU has.

Yes, I’m shamelessly shilling for this almost entirely because I want to play them every year. Even if they didn’t put us in the same divisions, you can bet your ass they’d be our permanent crossover rival.

As for OK politics…..I bet they legislature would let them split up as long as OSU had gotten assurances about the Pac 12 before OU joined the Big Ten.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

While everyone in the B1G wants to win B1G titles and the MNC… we actually do care about academics… okie and okie lite will never be part of the B1G

by Grixxly on Aug 13, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's the rumor

I would think OU as a tier 1 school would be close enough….but not OSU

OU and OSU aren’t tied to the hip as many assume.

by Redhawk on Aug 13, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats a shame

ok, time for a lighter moment here:

earlier this year on one of the sbnation blogs there were several stories about putting all the big ten coaches into an arena for a deathmatch. i’d like to see how gundy and stoops would stack up against fitz, hoke, kill, zook, paterno, pelini and everyone else.

I think Fitz would beat everyone senseless.

by LincolnParkWildcat on Aug 14, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was buying what you were selling until...

…you made Missouri part of the package deal. Missouri had no concern with the acceptance of OU.

I have mixed feelings about OU. A top brand regularly on the schedule would be great, but I like that the Big Ten keeps academics and research a priority.

Okie Lite is definitely out of the deal. Delany has been openly critical of other conference expansions which frequently includes package deals.

I am inclined to believe OU and Texas stay in the Big 12 for self interest.
TT will stick around because when you look at everything and not just revenue, they find the Big 12 with Texas is still preferable to the PAC.
Everyone else would like to leave for greener pastures, but no major is finding value in their product (I am skeptical of the Missouri – SEC rumor)

by ProveIt on Aug 13, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was just the rumor I read

I have no idea if it was true. I do believe that it was Missouri that was part of the 4-pack (as opposed to, say, OU-OSU-KU-KSU).

Yes, academics are important to them, and it would be assumed that membership in the CIC would go hand-in-hand. So, maybe part of the deal to accept OU are certain promises/requirements that within 5 years, they become AAU members or something like that. I think it’s entirely possible that the B1G may decide that if OU agrees to increase it’s academic standing and research, they’ll be accepted while they put things in place (rather than let a school of Oklahoma’s football tradition and standing go to the PAC or SEC.

by Wolvie on Aug 13, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

You know that Oklahoma would much prefer the Big 10 to the Pac 12, and you’d think the Big 10 would be willing to play ball a bit to try to get them.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 13, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to place the academics and research into perspective is hard.

You could argue it really doesn’t matter, using Nebraska as an example.
Nebraska wasn’t high academically. They had been given notice by the AAU for a long time with their status tenuous at best. The Big Ten administrators are just blowing smoke.

You could argue it is a factor, using Nebraska as an example.
Nebraska’s AAU status was tenuous because of AAU accounting which didn’t count some research because the program was considered a separate college, and doesn’t count agricultural research.
AAU affiliation isn’t a key factor in research dollars flowing to Universities, but research dollars does determine AAU affiliation. Delany made his pitch for AAU expansion, the AAU contracted – well Frack them.
Nebraska is a valuable research partner and will be a valuable contributor to the CIC, AAU was never a key factor.

When you get past AAU affiliation (or ND) the candidates open up
Miami – the best example of how success in sports can result in increased student applications and ultimately improved academics. Ranked in the top 50 research Universities.
Florida State
– Not high academics, but In the top 30 public research universities
*Virginia Tech – looking at their bowl ratings, I am suspect their following isn’t as large as their gridiron success and state population would suggest.
Syracuse – I suspect they have already been turned down.

If you completely throw out academics and research you can add a couple more
*Oklahoma – the value of a Brand, a no brainer for any other conference.

When you limit it to ND or AAU, there just aren’t a lot of strong candidates out there.
Texas – we need to talk about that network you have, but it can be worked out
ND
– the key is under the mat, let yourself in
TA&M – obviously looking elsewhere
Rutgers – another program I suspect was already turned down
Georgia Tech – I suspect they are under the bar. They aren’t even well liked or closely followed in their own state
Missouri – obviously already turned down, so anyone less isn’t worth mentioning.

There are a lot of SEC candidates that would fit the above, but shared revenue will need to grow another $20 Million to look that direction. I didn’t go west of the Rockies because geography has its limits.

It is hard to add 4 programs when there may only be a handful of viable candidates (marked with an *).

by ProveIt on Aug 13, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Astrix didn't show up

My list of viable candidates:
Texas
ND
Miami
Florida State
Virginia Tech (maybe – their TV ratings are scary bad)
Oklahoma (maybe – if you ignore academics)
TA&M – good luck in the SEC

I suspect Missouri, Syracuse, Rutgers, Georgia Tech, and a handful of others were already turned down when the Big Ten was looking to grow last year. In a radio interview, the Illinois AD stated the Big Ten received inquiries from about 17 programs, looked really hard at 7 or 8. What I wouldn’t give for those lists.

I suspect everyone else outside the SEC and east of the Rockies ranks lower than Missouri in potential added revenue.

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question (to anyone)

How bad are OU’s academics? Nebraska was no Harvard…

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 14, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I could find...

A few slots worse than the worst Big Ten team…
…and they didn’t show up on the list of top research institutes.

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true.

I just went to the 1st lists that showed up on Google. I wasn’t trying to prove a point or make a case for or against, and avoided qualified or categorized rankings.

http://www.stateuniversity.com/rank/tot_enroll_rank#91

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp%2B50/page+3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities

http://mup.asu.edu/research2009.pdf

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0709.natlrankings.pdf
(Washington monthly has OU was a few spots above worst in B10)

I didn’t see an overall ranking in the Princeton review, but it does have some nice breakdowns by 62 separate categories.

I couldn’t find a ranked list for Carnegie Melon

The OU stinks at academics is just not true. It once was 30 years ago, but OU is far improved.

I didn’t say they stink or weren’t improved – just below all or most of the Big Ten colleges in the lists above.

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness

So was/is Nebraska.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 15, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

As noted elsewhere, Nebraska could be a sign academics and research was relevant (AAU affiliation), or it could be an example it never really was significant (AAU warnings and rankings).

by ProveIt on Aug 16, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

OU's Academics

OU is a tier one school according to the Princeton Review. including a Top 10 school in terms of Academic Excellence and Value

OU is also a Tier One Research in the Carnegie Mellon Foundation Classification.

The OU stinks at academics is just not true. It once was 30 years ago, but OU is far improved.

by Redhawk on Aug 14, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

So would the best guess at this point be that the biggest complication would be getting OU and OSU uncoupled? It seems to me that such a thing would be more likely if OSU had secured a spot in the Pac 16 before OU made its move. Obviously its all speculation at this point and a lot of people are relatively convinced that the Big Ten wouldn’t accept OU. Still, its fun to talk about.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 14, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

OU and OSU could be uncoupled. Nothing set in stone or law requiring them to be together. Would make it way easier if they had a PAC invite or heck even a Big East invite for OU to go separately.

Most people have set their standard so high, that no one can get in. The ultimate of snobbery….in fact they have set the bar so high, half or more of the current members should be kicked out!

by Redhawk on Aug 14, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and no.
Most people have set their standard so high, that no one can get in.

It is a limited list. The Big Ten is harder given that they look at aspects beyond financial (academics, etc.)

they have set the bar so high, half or more of the current members should be kicked out!

On average, 1/2 are below average… and Big Ten expansion isn’t about maintaining average.
The ultimate of snobbery….

It isn’t snobbery, it is economics. I would love to see the Big Ten revenue sources so vast you could list dozens of candidates that could benefit all. I celebrate each conference and program finding new revenue sources, and broadcast contracts growing higher and higher.
Unfortunately, economics has its limits.

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, one of my questions was

Say you don’t exactly ignore academics, but you give a timeframe/requirement for it to improve.

What do you think the chances are that, should Oklahoma and the B1G have serious discussions, that they’re approved on the condition that they improve certain things. What would it take for them to improve to “B1G Ten standards”?

I also feel…I don’t have the right word…but “weird” when I see “Missouri was already turned down”. Because they weren’t selected last year, does that mean that the B1G definitely does not and will not want them? Or was it that, they had one spot open, and Nebraska was the best pick when they became available? Delaney still had months to go on his timetable, so he may not have been willing to up his timetable for Missouri, but was for Nebraska. Doesn’t mean this time around, Missouri wouldn’t be a candidate.

by Wolvie on Aug 14, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I agree with you

Especially on Missouri. They’re a better pick than say….Maryland or Syracuse, imo.

Playing a little devil’s advocate on Oklahoma, they could make an agreement with the Big Ten and get admitted, but what good is that agreement to the Big Ten? Once OU is in the doors, all leverage on them to improve their academic standing is gone. The Big Ten wouldn’t evict them or whatever.

"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne

by jdhusker on Aug 14, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea on Oklahoma

I used to feel the same way about Syracuse as you do about Missouri… “Maybe later” I even started to come up with a lot of reasons such as “Economics will change when the broadcast contract gets closer to renewal” …but then I realized I was looking for reasons to fit the conclusion, and quickly stopped.

For both, I don’t buy into the idea of “1 spot” – I think the Big Ten would have added as many as made economic sense.

Once Nebraska was in, the CCG came off the added revenue and became part of the target revenue for a new team, the BTN inventory went up, and the bar was set much higher for the next program. It is the difference between the group additions most conferences have followed (or tried but failed), and the Delany incremental view or evaluating each program on it’s own merits.

Also working against “Maybe Missouri later” was the belief that the Big 12 was going to be dust. Delany had no way of knowing someone else wouldn’t pick them up. A big economic factor against Missouri is that the BTN is already on expanded basic for much of Missouri’s populous – it isn’t as big a gain as it looks at 1st.

Missouri just isn’t that far above the average Big Ten team.
Under 6M populous vs. the Big Ten program average of over 5.7M
Their campus is smaller than the Big Ten average
They aren’t the brand name of a team like Nebraska or Oklahoma

Missouri is about the same as the average Big Ten program, but for expansion the Big Ten needs more – they need a program to add to the Big Ten revenue after overcoming fixed revenue streams (like the BCS and CCG). The Big Ten needs a program to fill the equation:
12 + 1 = 14
Unfortunately, Missouri is
12 + 1 = 13

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

what are the standards?

Large Population,
not currently in the Big10 foot print
AAU school
Preferably a large Public University
Successful in Football (must have 2 National Championships All time or a BCS championship appearance)

Then here’s your list of candidates:

University of Florida
U of So. California
University of Texas
University of Oregon

There are only 34 AAU public universities. Only 59 TOTAL including private. You have 11 already, leaving only 48 schools to choose from if that is your main criteria.

by Redhawk on Aug 14, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

The administrators have to hidden that Big Ten expansion is...

…all about revenue for any program that meets the threshold requirements.

What they look at in academics is unknown – all they mentioned was AAU affiliation, but didn’t make it a requirement in their comments.

For revenue estimates, I look at 2 paths:

Brand – the ability of a program to attract interest and associated revenue outside their own fan base. Examples are Notre Dame, Nebraska, OU, etc.

Following – College football follows closely with connections to home towns.
I use state population and number of majors in the state as a rough guide for fan base.
I use campus size as a rough estimate for alumni base (the core of the fan base).
I balance these with things like state following (TCU doesn’t have 1/4 of the fan base in Texas), interest in NCAAF, bowl TV ratings, etc.

I didn’t include SEC teams as viable candidates – the Big Ten would need a huge increase in shared revenue to consider attracting them.

I didn’t go west of the Rockies because geography has its limits.

You have 11 already, leaving only 48 schools to choose from if that is your main criteria.

Even without AAU as a criteria, the list is limited. The biggest drawback to conference expansion is that with each new addition the bar is raised and the number of candidates who can add sufficient revenue decreases. Consider that without the CCG as an added revenue source, less than 1/2 of the existing Big Ten membership would meet the criteria if considered individually.

by ProveIt on Aug 14, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

"AAU accounting...

which doesn’t include agricultural research".

Everytime I read that they don’t include ag research, my mind wants to explode.

When you look at what a lack of food is doing today…starvation, civil wars, and out-right famine…I can think of nothing more important than research on how we are going to feed the world’s population in the next fifty…hell, twenty-five years.

UNL has been on the cutting edge of ag research, improving our crop and livestock production, and receiving accolades for the global drought monitoring system.

Maybe the AAU needs to step into the 21st century.

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by redvalley on Aug 14, 2011 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now the SEC is saying

They are not going to expand at this point lol. It looks like mother goose NCAA and BCS backers stepped in from the shadows and told the SEC no! When the wealthy and powerful in America say jump we say how high.

by BledRed on Aug 15, 2011 12:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The legalese in what the Florida guy said comes down to this

“We’re not voting on expanding today, because no one has applied. We’re happy with 12, but we talked about criteria for expansion should someone…such as Texas A&M (who they explicitly named)…does apply.”

by Wolvie on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

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