2011 Preseason Big Ten Football Poll - Where Will They Finish?
2011 Big Ten Media Days are coming up fast, and the media won't be formally picking a preseason order of finish, leaving many B1G fans wondering what to expect. That's what preseason polls are for - generating interest in teams and players - and if you get some silly idea that it's about predicting the future and being accurate, well, shame on you, sir, you're taking the fun right out of the end of July.
They've done away with picking Offensive and Defensive Players of the Year, too, and are instead going to come up with a "Ten Players to Watch List" while simultaneously adding water to their chili, buying Mild Pace Picante sauce (forgive me father, was I supposed to say Rotel?) to go with their chips, and leaving the tabasco out of their Bloody Marys (Maries? What's the plural of that? Maybe I could say "BM's", but that doesn't sound too good, does it?) .
CN is here for you, and after the jump you can get some of our preseason predictions, all for fun, of course, we wouldn't want to push expectations on anyone because their multi-million dollar jobs are already tough enough.
If you need proof of that, consider that last year's Division I head coach Tim Brewster will now be doing sideline reporting. A fall from grace? Of course not! Any honest Gopher would tell you the man never deserved a head coach position in the first place, and unlike Kevin Cosgrove, who keeps getting hired to coach bad defenses, doesn't have enough friends in the business to keep him around.
Andy K:
LEADERS
1) Wisconsin - But I'm not quite ready to pick them in the runaway that everyone else is. Russell Wilson fills a need at QB, but they are still losing the Big 10's most efficient passer, Scott Tolzien. Being the biggest name of the transfers doesn't mean much historically. Remember Greg Paulus & Robert Marve? Me either. They lose 10 starters and play Mich St, Illinois and Ohio St. on the road. However, they do return 2/3 of a pounding running game and Nick Toon at wideout. A mid-season 4 game stretch that includes Nebraska at home and the previously mentioned Spartan and Buckeye road games will determine their fate. They lose 2-3 in conference and win the division.
2) Penn St - The Ninnies lose Evan Royster but return just about every other skill player on offense including Rob Bolden who announced his transfer, got denied by JoePa, got really, really pissed with his dad, then decided to stay announcing he's happy as a clam. Uh huh. On defense, 8 starters return and they are especially talented at linebacker. A double road game finish in Madison and Columbus will determine if they can nose by the Badgers.
3) Illinois - If nothing else, these guys might be the most fun to watch. With Nathan Scheelhaase at QB, the offense averaged 32.5 points and almost 400 ypg. Mikel Leshoure is gone at RB, but with Scheelhaase a year older, look for the offense to be just as dangerous. The defense will give up lots of yards and approach suck level. Most importantly, they get Northwestern, Ohio St., Michigan and Wisconsin at home. They may win 3 of those. The Texas Bowl Beatdown of Baylor was an eye opener.
4) Ohio St. - This may seem a bit low, but this is a situation that has Texas written all over it. They won't finish last, because the Leaders division is much, much shittier than last year's Big 12 South. But a worshipped head coach out in disgrace, 4 starters suspended for 5 games, the starting QB bolting out ahead of the posse and a 1st time head coach expected to keep a bunch of kids' heads on straight under the cloud of an investigation that will likely result at minimum in penalties as harsh as those leveled on Southern Cal? There's still plenty of talent in Columbus, but this season could be a mess.
5) Purdue - Injuries abounded last year and some out there expect the Boilermakers to be much improved. I don't.
6) Indiana - The new coaching staff may improve this squad over time but not this year. They lose Ben Chappell and his 3300 yards passing as well as their best defensive player. 0-8 is not out of the question.
LEGENDS
1) Nebraska - The schedule is a bear and there are questions on offense with a new OC and QB issues. The line will have 4 new starters, but depth will actually be improved. Martinez is back at 100% and there appears to be a reliable backup in Carnes for the 1st time since Joe Ganz. Burkhead will carry a load at RB and there appear to be playmakers at WR finally as well. On defense, the talk is that the smaller faster Blackshirts will be run over by the bludgeoning offenses with big backs like Wiscy. Yeah sure, just like we steamrolled Miami with that strategy in the 80's & early 90's. There may some growing pains on offense, but the D will dominate enough to bring the Huskers to the title game.
3) Sparty returns Kirk Cousins and Edwin Baker but loses 10 other starts from their best team in recent memory. However, 49-7 asskicking by Alabama did not appear to be the performance of a top ten squad. Things like that linger. (2001 Colorado - Nebraska anyone?) I see a good year, but not a great one.
2) Northwestern - And I'm very tempted to push them past Michigan St. Persa probably throws for 3500 yards if he stays healthy last year and they likely don't lose 3 in a row to finish. 16 starters are back and they avoid Ohio St. and Wisconsin. Hmmm, screw it - flip these guys up in front of Michigan St.
4) Iowa - Picked by many to make a run at the Big 10 title last year, they responded in typical fashion by going 8-5. They lose their leading rusher in Robinson, a QB who hardly ever left the field in Stanzi and their leading tackler in Hunter. The schedule is lighter, but with only 9 starters back, it's a rebuilding year in Iowa City.
5) Michigan - The DickRod experiment is over and Brady Hoke intends to placate fans by taking a shotgun QB who accumulated almost 4300 yards rushing & passing in an offense that averaged 490 ypg and squatting him under center. Isn't this the kind of dickheaded, square-peg/round-hole thinking that got Rodriguez in hot water to begin with?
6) Minnesota - Another defensive unit requires couch time after a few years of the Cosgrove touch, but Bo wasn't available for the Gophers. New HC Jerry Kill has a cool name, but a scenario where these guys escape the basement is tough to imagine.
Offensive POY - Whatta coin flip. I'll say Dan Persa, but only because I have pick someone. With Robinson under center, split carries at Wisconin, Martinez too bipolar, and no top receiver anywhere, I'll take him as a safe pick, but any of the above could take it.
Defensive POY - Lavonte David. Crick may be a more popular pick, but I look for David to improve significantly over last year's All-American season and he'll make the highlight reel more often at linebacker.
Husker Mike
East (no, I'm not using those stupid names)
Wisconsin - Too much back, then they get Russell Wilson to answer their biggest question mark
Ohio State - Too many holes to fill, no matter how much talent they have on the roster
Penn State - JoePa still needs to find a quarterback
Illinois - Zooker keeps treading water...
Purdue - Rebuilding process continues
Indiana - Only 12 returning starters means a tough climb up the hill
West
Nebraska - Yep, it's a homer pick.
Michigan State - Dantonio has this program on the way upward.
Northwestern - If Dan Persa is healthy, Northwestern could challenge.
Iowegia - Like most seasons, they'll probably win a game they shouldn't, and lose a couple they shouldn't either.
Michigan - Defense will be improved, but unless Brady Hoke swallows his system and lets Denard Robinson run free, the Weasels will be mired in the lower half of the division.
Minnesota - Digging out of the Tim Brewster mess is going to take time.
Player of the Year
Offense: Dan Persa. The only question in my mind is whether he's healthy or not. Completed over 73% of his passes, and rushed for 519 yards as well. Of course, you could make the same argument about Denard Robinson and Taylor Martinez, except that Persa was more consistent when healthy.
Defense: Jared Crick. I have this sneaking suspicion that Crick is going to put up a monster season. Maybe not quite Suh-like...but still dominating.
Aaron Musfeldt
I thought about pulling names out of a hat, but let's try to come up with a reasonable set of picks. Well, the trendy ones are Wisconsin and Nebraska so I'm going with Ohio State out of the east and Michigan State will sing "Hail to the Victor's. Hail the Champions of the West". I think it's wrong to completely ignore the Buckeyes. They are going to win games. Also, I'm going to give Michigan State two good years before they drop off next year. Kirk Cousins is going to win and Nebraska's schedule will cause enough speed bumps to keep them out of the conference title game.
The rest of the Legends:
1. Michigan State (6-2). Spartans enjoy one last year near the top.
2. Nebraska (5-3). This will still be one of the better teams in the country.
3. Northwestern (5-3). Dan Persa and a very favorable schedule. They catch a transitioning Michigan team early.
4. Iowa (4-4). Great schedule, will lose some games they should not.
5. Michigan (3-5). They will be pretty tough by the end of the year, but that's when their toughest games are on the schedule.
6. Minnesota. (2-6) They are going to win a game they shouldn't. Maybe two.
Leading the way:
1. Ohio State (6-2). Fewer tattoos equates to more losses. But they still get the job done.
2. Wisconsin (6-2). Losses the tiebreaker with Ohio State. If you think Nebraska beats Wisconsin at Camp Randall, then their game against the Buckeyes in Columbus on October 29th will make or break them.
3. Illinois (5-3). They have a great schedule to make a run at the division title.
4. Penn State (3-5). I want to believe that this Nittany Lion team can do better, but they'll have to prove it on the field. Like Illinois, they have a good schedule to be contending in mid-November, but the last leg of the journey is rough.
5. Purdue (2-6). A bowl game will be a step up for the Boilermakers.
6. Indiana (1-7).
Offensive POY: Kirk Cousins. Lot's of good choices here. Montee Ball (Wisconsin), James White (Wisconsin), Dan Persa (Northwestern), Denard Robinson (Michigan), and Rex Burkhead (Nebraska) will all contribute to their teams offensive success. But a QB that carries a team to a title, will almost always win the "MVP" award.
Who wins the conference title game? Well, I'll draw that one out of a hat. Michigan State.
Jon Johnston
Ours
Division Names - I'm open to suggestion, but I'm thinking about using "Ours" and "Theirs", which is more descriptive than the real ones, until next season when I go with "Winners" and "Losers". No pressure, Huskers.
Nebraska - I'd really rather not place Nebraska here because of our schedule, but the thing is - the Huskers played themselves into championship games the past few seasons because of defense and this year should be no different. The offense doesn't have to be stellar, it just needs to not disappear towards the end of the season. Brion Carnes should be ready by then to keep it running should Martinez falter.
Michigan St - Andy mentioned the butt-kicking by Alabama, and I agree with him that things like that linger. People are slagging on Sparty because of the defense, but I'd be just as worried about the offensive line. The defense will keep them from reaching the title game, but if they can't fill the holes in the offensive line, they'll drop below NU and Michigan. (Did I just call Northwestern "NU"? Yes, I did. Get used to it.)
Northwestern - The Wildcats' success rides on Persa's recovery, but if you'll notice most people are talking about his passing. Persa was the second-leading rusher last year and it's doubtful he'll reprise that role this season. The Wildcats have a pretty complete team, and Venric Mark could provide an extra boost on special teams, i.e., scoring points and setting up a short field for the offense.
Michigan - Brady Hoke hired some exceptional coordinators, but it will take a year or two before the defense comes around. The offense should be okay, as long as offensive coordinator Al Borges doesn't try to change everything immediately (i.e., turn Denard Robinson into a pro style passer). Michigan will be a little better than most think... as long as Hoke stays out of the way of his coordinators. Just point at things and yell, dude.
Iowa - Adrian Clayborn, Karl Klug and Christian Ballard are gone on the defensive line, a new starter at quarterback must be found (James Vandenberg?), someone has to back up Marcus Coker at RB and Marvin McNutt at WR. Iowa couldn't finish games last season - what they going to do this year with the personnel losses they've had?
Minnesota - First year coach Jerry Kill has to find some football players before the Gophers climb out of the basement. The defense has been bad for years and the offense isn't good enough to overcome their deficiencies. Kill is a good hire, but he'll need time.
Theirs
Wisconsin - I'm not as sold on Russel Wilson being a savior as most people are as it seems uncharacteristic for Brett Bielema to bring in a new guy and have him starting right away. The Badgers have the most solid team in the other division - Wilson doesn't have to be brilliant, just serviceable as Montee Ball and James White are the best pair of running backs in the conference.
Ohio State - If the Buckeyes can do "us against the world" really well, they should contend for the division. Is Luke Fickell that good? He gets a boost from the paranoia surrounding Columbus, but I don't think he can outcoach Bielema or Fitzgerald at NU.
Penn State - Can they find a quarterback? If so, Penn State is a wildcard. Royster's loss isn't as big a deal as most will make it as his replacement, Silas Redd, should do fine. The offense disappeared at times, and the defense is missing a serviceable defensive end as Pete Massaro was lost during spring with an ACL injury.
Illinois - I keep wondering how long Ron Zook will stick around at Illinois. Whip, zing, offense. Everyone will continue to run over the defense.
Purdue - Honestly, since Nebraska doesn't play Purdue I haven't paid much attention to them.
Indiana - Kevin Wilson has a lot of work to do, perhaps even more than Kill, and even if Wilson does a good job, will anyone notice?
Offensive Player of the Year - I'd pick one of the Wisconsin backs here, but they'll split time. Dan Persa or Kirk Cousins, whichever team finishes higher. I'm wimping out here, aren't I?
Defensive Player of the Year - I'd like to put Alfonzo Dennard here, but the B1G won't have the same emphasis on the passing game that the Big 12 did. Instead, I'll go with Lavonte David, the best linebacker on the best defense - which will equal a gob of tackles.
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Great post
We are about a month away from football, and I think I’m finally starting to understand this who’s currently good and who isn’t in this conference. After playing through 3 seasons on NCAA ‘12 and reading various articles and predictions all summer, it’s about time!
With those exceptional credentials, here’s my predictions :)
East
Wisconsin- Too good to not win this division, only really needs average QB play to do it.
Illinois- An under the radar team that’s pretty talented and has a favorable schedule.
Penn State- JoPa figures out the QB situation and it works out for them.
Ohio State- Lot’s of talent but too many distractions to have a great season.
Purdue- In elementary school I once got a ribbon for finishing 5th in 50 yard dash…
Indiana- They get a “participation” award because everyone needs to feel good.
West
Nebraska- Great D+ OC not named Watson means we get through the tough schedule.
Michigan State- Good team that doesn’t get as many lucky breaks as last season.
Michigan- I think Greg Mattison turns around the defense faster than people expect.
Northwestern- Has potential to win the division if things go right, but I think they don’t.
Iowa- It’s hard to see an 8-5 team with only 9 returning starters finish much higher.
Minnesota- They get Jerry Kill-ed (obvious pun intended) as they rebuild, but the future looks better.
Oh, and the champ-
Big 10 Champion- Wisconsin. Dan Beebe pays Big 10 refs to make sure Nebraska doesn’t win, and one second is put back on the clock and the ball is inexplicably placed at Nebraska’s 25 yard line to let Wisconsin kick a game-winning field goal.
by Billgrip on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cannot emphasize this enough.
Being the biggest name of the transfers doesn’t mean much historically. Remember Greg Paulus & Robert Marve?
Or Sam Keller?
Reporter: "What would it take to get you to spend three or four days outside in a tent, on concrete?"
Joe Paterno: "Depends what she looks like."
On paper these predictions probably sound right
but that’s the thing… That never happens in the B1G. (Except for fOSU and I don’t count fOSU).
I think the East is fairly easy to predict:
Wisconsin – Just a solid football team. They stay focused, they win.
Ohio State – I really hate those guys but they are talented. I feel dirty…
Penn State – Feels right; not too high, not too low.
Illinois – I’m not buying the Zook.
Purdue – meh
Indiana – They play football?
The West is where I think it’s virtually a toss up. I love Big Red and think they play great defense but they are going from a pass-centric defensive scheme to run-centric. Can they make the transition? Plus, and I’m not trying to start some smash-mouth argument but, can Big Red stay healthy the entire season? Every single player I’ve seen interviewed about moving to the B1G has mentioned they are trying to bulk up; how will that effect their play? The average size of the O and D lines that Big Red faces this year are just bigger… It’s that simple. In a bowl game speed can make up for size, but this will be eight bowl games.
Which leads me to another ‘problem’ for Big Red… This year, you are eight teams Super Bowl. You’re living flesh in the land of walkers; and they’re hungry. Not that you guys wont get up for the games but you are the new kid. And NO ONE wants to lose to the new kid. Next year? I don’t expect the intensity to be as high. But this year? Oh, it’s on like Donkey Kong!
And this leaves me in a quandary… I’ve loved Nebraska (Since 1981) but I went to Iowa and am a Hawkeye through and through. But I still love Nebraska even if I no longer have a chance to beat ISU twice a year (Think you guys could schedule them for your OOC?).
So here goes…
Iowa/Nebraska – Iowa has a history of overachieving when expectations are low and underachieving when expectations are high. No one expects anything from Iowa so I figure they punch more then their fair share of teams in the mouth. Nebraska, if it stays healthy and makes the defensive transition without too many hiccups as well as survives the new kid on the block hazing; finishes well.
Michigan State – No Sparty… No.
Michigan – Shit… These bastards are going to be back sooner then thought.
jNorthwestern – Bastards.
Minnesota – Nice try. Better luck next year. Good hire.
Championship Game:
Iowa/Nebraska v Wisconsin – Unfortunately I have a gut feeling this is Wisconsin’s year and regardless of who they play they pull it off… bastards…
Post Season:
Here’s the kicker; Wisconsin curls up into the fetal position and loses again… Iowa, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Penn State kicks the shit out of their bowl opponents pissed they didn’t win the B1G…
by Grixxly on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea what to expect
I keep thinking, “Surely Nebraska can live up to the hype,” because, well, that’s what we do. Still, I’m nervous about at least three games and I think we get beat @ Wisconsin to start out the schedule from hell. With that in mind, our division (what are we called? Legends? Sure… why not) is ridiculously wide open. I think I’d choose the following:
Legends:
1. Nebraska – Win by beating Iowa and owning a tiebreaker over MSU
2. Michigan State – They win a tiebreaker over Iowa as well, but lose to Michigan and another bizarre loss to either jNW or Minny for no apparent reason except regression to the mean
3. Iowa – Better team than people think, solid defensive unit, and Vandenberg doesn’t suck (admittedly, I think Coker is a stud, but he’ll get hurt and I think Iowa loses at least one to jNW and Minny as well)
4. Michigan – Defense takes time… Think about the Cosgrove to Pelini transition. It was fast, but not overnight, and this team was awful
5. Northwestern – I don’t hate them, but I just don’t see them competing this year. Persa is great, but… really?
6. Minnesota – Sorry, Cosgroves stink takes a long time to wash off and Kill actually kills a man this season
Leaders:
1. Wisconsin – Caveat here, I also don’t know if I buy into Wilson, and not because he’s a Keller in disguise. Transferring is tough, especially climate wise. Going from a warm humid climate to the North is going to be hard for him. It’s harder than you think.
2. Ohio State – Really? We think they’ll drop that much? They have talent that exceeds much of the competition. Granted, it won’t be an undefeated team, but they’ll be good. Don’t count them out when they come to Lincoln.
3. Penn State – JoePa seems to always be here. Good enough to be good, bad enough to be mediocre.
4. Purdue – Granted, they are injured a lot, but they’re still better than Illinois and Indiana.
5. Illinois – Sure, why don’t you give Zooker an extension
6. Indiana – Well, I honestly don’t know much about them, but they seem irrelevant… I mean, they have some receivers, so that’s cool.
OPOY – Well, how about one of the Wisconsin backs. Even w/ split time, one will have a lot of yards and more TDs and get the nod.
DPOY – Crick. The guy has hype which is important AND he’s a beast.
COY – Um, Bielema? Who votes for these things? Coaches? If so, he doesn’t stand a chance, but I could see the media loving him.
Newcomer (Not sure if the B1G does this one, and this is an absolute homer pick) – Jamal Turner
Champion between Wisky and Nebraska? Probably Wisconsin
Great writeup guys
My thoughts aren’t much different, except I think both Nebraska and Wisconsin will make it to the title game with seriously marred records.
Legends:
1. Nebraska (5-3) – Defense will keep the Huskers in every game, but we lose a squeaker at Wisky, get ambushed at home by NW and inexplicably lose at Michigan.
2. Michigan St. (5-3) – Sparty overachieved last year and will experience a regression to the mean. Still will have a good team and a good season, but Nebraska decisively wins the tiebreaker in Lincoln.
3. Northwestern (4-4) – I’m excited to see this year’s Wildcat squad. Persa will be electric, the defense will probably still be pretty bad, so it’ll be fun watching them play. They’ll beat Nebraska and Iowa (duh) and be in the drivers seat in the division until Sparty knocks them from first to a tie with Iowa in third in the last matchup of the season.
4. Iowa (4-4) – The Hawkeyes tend to play better when the expectations are low for some reason. They’ll be good, not great, and always unpredictable. They’ll have a big upset win and a big upset loss (no, NW doesn’t count anymore).
5. Michigan (3-5) – Hoke’s pro style offense fails epically and the defense takes two steps forward from Cosgrove to merely bad. Upset win over Nebraska keeps the season from being a disaster and delivers them to 6-6 and another bowl game.
6. Minnesota (does it matter?) – The Gophers are going to be bad. I think Kill’s gonna be a good coach, but it’ll be 3 years before they start thinking about bowl games.
Leaders:
1. Wisconsin (6-2) – This Badgers team looks a lot like last years, just with a tougher schedule. They lose to MSU and OSU in back to back shockers, but finish strong to close out the division.
2. Ohio State (5-3) – Everyone knows OSU is talented enough to win the conference again if they can just put the pieces together in time. They won’t. Probably the best team in the conference by seasons end, but are done in by an 0-3 start in conference play.
3. Penn State (5-3) – Nice year for the Nitts….until they pull an OSU in reverse and drop all three games in their brutal November stretch.
4. Illinois (4-4) – They’ll have a great offense and drew the two weakest teams from the Legends division for this year’s crossover games.
5. Purdue (3-5/2-6) – Boilers are always fun to watch and will likely pull out a few wins along the way. They’ll just miss out on a bowl game.
6. Indiana (0-8) – Wilson has some work to do. No doubt the guy is a good offensive mind, but Indiana is sort of like Baylor; a place where coaching careers go to die. If he turns these guys around, he’ll be looking at a promotion to a traditional BCS power.
B1G Title Game: NU vs Wisconsin – Here we go. I promised myself repeatedly that I wouldn’t predict NU to win the conference in the first year, but now that I’m here I start to think. NU, like OSU has the pieces to win the conference if it can just get them all going in roughly the same direction. Bo’s a good coach and I find it unlikely that Wisconsin would sweep us in the same season. Also this is a Husker team that’s 4 points away from 2 conference championships in the past 2 years. We have zero, our team should be hungry.
So, rather than make a call on this game, I’ll say this: loser in Madison in October wins the conference. How’s that?
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Love that call
I think the sweeping an opponent is something that the B1G will hate at first. It’s crazy difficult to beat the same team twice. In the Big XII, we rarely ran into that problem, but in the SEC, it seems like that scenario pops up every year, and every year the teams split.
by KennardHusker on Jul 28, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure about the rest of the teams
But i don’t see Nebraska winning just yet. Bo still has to learn,you need to win all games,no matter how inconsequential certain games are. Last year with Washington last year tought me he’s still learning that.
Wow,that was some good Engrish on my part
Bo needs to learn to win every game. I need to learn to structure sentences correctly
As a Purdue student, I appreciate everyone putting IU dead last.
Anymore it’s about the only thing we have to look forward to during football season. Pathetic, I know.
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by Jon Johnston on Jul 28, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Nebraska
Is always who i pick to win it all as a fan of the Big Red, the only thing that worries me a bit about this upcoming season is the fact that we have to learn all of these new teams and how to defend them and how to break their defense. I know we will be at the top of the barrel but I won’t flat out say B1G champs first year, at least not where anyone can hear me say it.
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