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2011 Nebraska Quarterbacks: Where Do We Stand?


With the impending transfer of Cody Green and, to a lesser extent, the announcement that Kody Spano's injuries have finally ended his college career, the klaxons are sounding and the position is no longer flush with talent, but inexperienced and decimated. Either that or there's not a thing to worry about, take your pick.

We're around two months from fall camp and the only thing we seem to know for sure is that our most experienced QB only has a year under his belt. We'll be breaking in a new offense with a new offensive coordinator and the QB depth chart has a total of 12 starts all of them belonging to Martinez..

On second thought, make that 12 games played total, same guy.

So, let's try and take a look at just how deeply the transfer/retirement affects things, who's left at QB, and what we can reasonably expect.

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Kody Spano's Retirement

Figured I'd chicken out and take the easy one first. With his injury problems, the upside here was the hope that he'd see the field at least once and get a Memorial Stadium standing ovation to remember. An Elite 11 camper in high school (the kiss of death around here, more on that later), nothing ever seemed to go his way. From having his Okie St. offer yanked at the last minute by Mr. Imaman!I'm40! to a neverending spate of injuries, he had to be feeling like Kenny in South Park.

However, in the end, this was news that I think we all considered inevitable. It was nice to see his name on the depth chart, but he wasn't part of the plan, only a bonus if his body ever cooperated.

Cody Green's Transfer

First of all, Cody is a great kid and has done everything right from fighting the good fight to sticking up for his teammates. If nothing else, hopefully that part of his personality rubs off on Martinez. And while everyone would love for him to stick things out and receive a monstrous ovation on his Senior Day as the loyal backup, he has every right to find himself some playing time maybe closer to home and I wish him well in pursuit of that.

But let's look at the facts:

In his two starts last year, he was mostly forgettable going 17-25 for 159 yards 2 TD's and 16 carries for 23 yards against Iowa St and Colorado. That would be a so-so line for one game, let alone two. And coming off the bench is something you expect QB2 to do effectively. In his two relief appearances against the aTm and Washington in the Holiday Bowl, he was inefective going 9-23 for 102 yards, a pick and 6 carries -1 yards. When up against it, the game always looked too fast for him to react to (see: Oklahoma, 2009)

In the end, I think Nebraska will miss having a quality kid and an off-field and bench leader, but there's no reason to believe that anyone else on the roster, including the true freshmen, can't match THAT productivity, or lack thereof, on the field. From a production standpoint, we're probably ok

So - Who's Left? Who We Got on the Roster, Holmes??

Taylor Martinez - RSo - 116-196 1631yds 59.2% 10tds-7int 162-965 rushing 12 tds
Brion Carnes - RFr - Rivals **** - 4 year starter at Bradenton Manatee, FL, Class 5A
Ron Kellogg - RSo - walkon from Westside

Yep, that's it. Anybody believe Bo now when he says he wants to sign at least one QB in every class?

Martinez goes from scout team WR turned QB1 a year ago to the only QB on the roster with any experience. If healthy, his feet make him a dangerous weapon, but if he is slowed at all, he has not shown the arm to be effective as a dropback passer. Beck's offense, based on what he's said and the type of QB they've been recruiting, seems predicated on a mobile QB. If that ankle hasn't healed, does he drop down the depth chart like a stone or does Beck have a backup package?

Carnes ran a spread offense in one of the nation's toughest high school classes and looked experienced beyond his years doing it. After quarterbacking the scout team in his redshirt year, he was the only effective QB in the spring game (except for maybe Kellogg?) and appeared to be running the same basic package as everyone else. He appears as ready as any redshirt freshman to step in and perform if necessary.

And let's face it, we could very well be a couple turned ankles from a walkon starting at QB.

Who's Coming In?

Jamal Turner - Fr - Rivals **** - #7 Dual Threat QB from Arlington, TX - has been moved to WR
Bubba Starling - Fr - Rivals **** - #6 Athlete from Gardner-Edgerton, KS (started as top 10 dual threat QB) - also Baseball America's #1 HS prospect

First off, Starling's going top 10 in the MLB draft, he'll show up Lincoln and practice for a few weeks and then sign a mega-contract. Call me a cynic, but when I hear him and the family talk ever so earnestly about how their mind isn't made up, he's leaning toward football, etc.? I know his agent is Scott Boras and it just sounds too much like the script he wants out there to convince MLB owners that they have options. Color him gone. (And yes, that is a glimmer of hope you're hearing from me. Dammit.)

But to the nitty gritty - his coach basically abandoned any attempt to give him some passing experience last year actually cutting his attempts way back. He threw for only 790 yards with 8 TD's and 6 INT's. He would not be able to scramble at will against Division 1 competition like did against Kansas high schools. And he failed to earn significant playing time at the Army All-American game. While he did grouse about his lack of playing time, he did admit that it was a whole new level of size and speed and that he got nailed a couple of times in situations where he was used to springing free.

It's only going to get bigger and faster at Nebraska. And going from a run and scramble at will offense to Nebraska's would require development if he shows up. Which he won't.

Starling: 98% he plays baseball, 2% he's 2 years away from significant contribution.

Depth issues may force Turner back to QB, but if they do, he also will require time to learn and develop both mentally and physically. He did complete 60% of passes last year, but threw as many picks as TD's. Also, he may get away with his build at WR, but 6'1" 180 will not fly as a running QB in the Big 10. And remember he's already behind in his development as a QB if needed there this year.

Turner: Not ready to be a QB factor in 2011

Conclusions

Mine and mine alone and no matter how sure I sound, they definitely fall into the best guess category.

  • Um...getting a QB in this year's recruiting class just became a must, didn't it?
  • Talent-wise, Cody was probably dropping to #3. (which he may have been informed of?)
  • #1 is Martinez' to lose and he'll probably have to screw up badly and consistently to do so.
  • Carnes is #2 and an excellent option off the bench or in case of injury.
  • I know we don't trust him, but it still would have been nice to have him back there at #3. Why?
  • We could be screwed hard if both Martinez and Carnes go down. If that happens, the options become a redshirt freshman and a former high school QB with rough edges and size issues who's been practicing at WR
  • Because Starling's gone, right?
  • If Martinez isn't full speed, we could be starting a redshirt freshman for the 2nd straight year, but this time in a new offense.
  • If either one goes down, our dual threat offense loses an option because we have to cut waaaay back on QB carries to keep the #2 guy healthy. Right?
  • So depth-wise, we're basically two deep, aren't we? Unless Kellogg's our new Joe Ganz.
  • Is there good news? No Elite 11 campers in our midst. Freeman, Gabbert, Hildebrand, Spano. The Elite 11 camp has not been good to us.

So then.

Playmaking ability is there is spades, but experience is sorely lacking. Add to that the fact that we're installing a new offense and it definitely appears that the potential is there for things to be very dicey this year. But they shouldn't be boring, I'm guessing.

Note: How do we prevent this in the future?

We can always say these things happen. However, highly sought after recruits will always want to play. Guys who spent a couple years of high school being told how great they are will not easily admit that they simply aren't starter material, not when they had delusions of Heisman in their head, so it will be rare that anyone is able to keep more than 2 or 3 of these guys on the roster simultaneously. Well USC could in the Carroll days, but I don't think we have the booster capital to keep 5 deep on the depth chart salaried.

Should we look at adding a lower tier QB recruit with potential (thing 2 to 3 star guy like Ganz) every other year or so, who might be less likely to dart when he's nnot a starter by Year 3? Just an idea. That way there's at least some QB's consistently on the roster for their 4-5 years.

That's my 1600 words - what do you think? 

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I'm nervous

For some reason I just don’t see Martinez going through the whole season without getting injured. But at the same time, I think Brion Carnes will be ready to go and seems to have a better arm than Martinez, though not as fast. Who knows, maybe by the end of next season we will see Brion Carnes under center and Martinez as a slot receiver.

by Billgrip on May 30, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I've said this myself - and I wouldn't be surprised by it at all.

The question would be whether Martinez would accept a switch like this for the sake of the team. If the spring game was any indication, Carnes could be far better overall, but you just can’t sideline someone with Martinez’ speed and knack for busting plays wide open.

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by Go Big Rev on May 31, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's rare

that a team loses two QBs to injury in the same season. I think that as long as we don’t have a freak series of injuries, our depth is fine. Though I think Martinez will start because of his experience, I like Carnes better as a long term prospect, due his superior throwing skills. He’s a more balanced threat.

Also, assuming he’s actually considering college football, this might make Starling more likely to come here, knowing he has less competition.

by Andy Davis on May 30, 2011 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

It may be rare, but it does happen.

Remember 1994. Tommie is out with blood clots, Brook with a collapsed lung. Matt Turman, pride of Wahoo Neumann, whom I sacked in a playoff game in 1991 (and I was definitely not even walk-on material at NU), gets the start against the Mildcats.

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by Go Big Rev on May 31, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska lost both Martinez and Lee last year.

Remember when Ron Kellogg was the top backup against Iowa State? Don’t think that couldn’t happen again in an offense that places a heavy running burden on the QB.

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by Cornbadger on May 31, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a fever...

and the only prescription is more Wildcat!

Obviously not a long term option, but there’s your 3rd string right there. Rex Burkhead, your newest Tim Tebow. Pair him up with Green/Heard/Abdullah/Kildow and you’ve got options galore. We’ll be fine, this team can take a lump or two. Just as long as we’re not selling any memorabilia. This is a defensive team that just needs to muster more offense than what Watson could draw up.

by the_EDJ on May 31, 2011 12:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I am not worried at all

I appreicate your opinions, and I migh be viewing the glass fuller than it is, but let’s remember ‘94-’95. Tommie goes down with blood clots, Berringer with a collapsed lung, and Turman comes in to save the day at what, 5’11, 195? That seemed like a horrible position, but we came out smelling like a rose…err, Tostitos?

Martinez will be fine, Carnes will be a decent back-up, and Kellogg is our emergency fill in. Let’s be honest here, we have Burkhead who is an offensive machine and some young RBs who have stars in their eyes with the lack of depth behind Burkhead. They should, and probably will, step up. Do you think Martinez liked the negative media attention at the end of last year? I think he will step up this year. He should be a bit maturer and will need to step-up if he wants award considerations that he could have gotten last year if injury and attitude did not get in the way. If I am remembering correctly, Turner has a body frame to build into and could benefit from taking some reps at QB this fall just to be on the safe side. Starling is a wild card. I have no idea what he will do, but Green leaving makes me think that he may be coming. Maybe Green knows something we do not.

Overall, I am encouraged for a few reasons: Martinez is our starter anyway, we have history of repairing needs at QB with what we have, the RB depth should be ok to good, Coach Bo will have a great defense again, and we still have Osborne backing us as the AD. My BIGGEST concern right now is kicker. Alex will be missed. Also, who takes over for our baseball squad? I am hoping Erstad gets that nod. So, two biggest concerns.

by CCE718 on May 31, 2011 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

wait

Martinez arm – I mentioned this a while back, but Martinez had a higher completion rate in his first year at starter than either Frazier or Gill ever had in their careers. And you can include a gob of drops in Martinez’ rate.

So…. I’m not sure I buy this idea that Martinez doesn’t have a decent arm.

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by Jon Johnston on May 31, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Immobile Martinez

I guess the point I was trying to make was that if he isn’t at full speed, he doesn’t have the arm to carry us. I wasn’t saying his arm is terrible (although I’m still not a fan of him having to turn his head completely around with the full body wrench on deep throws), only that we’d better have another option if he’s slowed. His stats after the injury:

Passing: 44-76 470 yds 57.9% 1 td 4 ints 6.2 ypa
Rushing: 50 att 79 yds (71 against KU, 39 -8yds in the other 3)

When he’s at full jets, things open up for him defensively, as containment has to become part of the package at the expense of coverage or the pass rush. When that necessity is removed from the defensive equation, he is not enough of a pure passer to keep defenses off balance. He also seems to take more risks when slowed – see 1 td 4 ints when slowed vs. 9 tds 3 ints when healthy.

As to the Frazier & Gill comparisons, I don’t recall that they were ever in the same position inury-wise where they had to survive on passing skills alone. Had that ever happened, you may be absolutely right, they may have fizzled as well and been in even more trouble.

The positive?

Experience will make a smarter passer – he should lose the urge to overcompensate when injured and improve the td/int ratio. Also, we should expect Beck to utilize Burkhead and other weapons more effectively than Wats last year.

by Andy Ketterson on May 31, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

He looked fantastic

throwing the ball against OSU. I know every player has good days and bad, but he needs to figure out which socks he wore that day and never wash them again.

by Andy Davis on Jun 1, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Still Not Drinking The Martinez Kool Aid

The young man was fantastic as an early season surprise and when playing over-matched defenses. But decent defenses with some game film stopped him cold, cold, cold, and he did not have the maturity or talent to work through the challenge. And once again the ability to lead a team was notably absent during the Spring Game. You can coach lots of things, but to me Martinez still looks a fragile, solid gold lone wolf diva more than he does a leader that the others will play their best for.

by UltimaRatioRegum on May 31, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't disagree with that

but… the maturity issue is typical of a first-year starter. the unfortunate thing is – Nebraska really didn’t have (or use) a second option when Martinez was struggling. If the offensive line was good, they could have pounded out yardage and popped some play-action passes from time to time to score some points. There was a lot of fail, not all of it Martinez (Shawn Watson is gone, and everyone ought to feel good about that).

The leadership stuff – we’ll see what happens this year.

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by Jon Johnston on May 31, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno about that...

…Missouri had a pretty good defense last season, and Martinez was pretty good in the first half.

I think the kid just needs to learn how to play quarterback. On pass plays, he limited himself to two options: throw the ball at his primary receiver, or tuck and run. I hope that Beck can work with him on that.

And before anybody criticizes Martinez for that, remember that Sam Keller limited himself to two options as well: a primary receiver downfield and Marlon Lucky. And some people thought Keller was an NFL 1st round pick when he arrived on campus.

by Husker Mike on May 31, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are Right

In an earlier thread where the question was (paraphrasing) “What’s most important for this season?” my argument was an offensive line that could actually DO something offensive, like, I don’t know, buy the kid some time? Actually keep defenders from running right past them, or, say, pushing a defense around and opening some holes.
That would be a BIG plus, probably bigger than anything else because a decent O Line can make even an average QB look good.

by UltimaRatioRegum on May 31, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

We should be fine

Barring some bad luck. Of course certain preventive measures should be taken, starting with capping our qb carries in a game at around 5. Martinez’s injury last year was inevitable with as much as Watson was running him. Besides, if you’re not running the zone read 25 times a game, defenses won’t key in on it as much and there’s no doubting that healthy Martinez (and a stable of running backs that excites me) can take advantage of that.

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by jdhusker on May 31, 2011 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

While I agree the zone read was over-used and a more balanced offense would result in a more effective one,

I don’t think you can say “limit the QBs to 5 carries.” We still need to win games, and our 1st and 2nd string QBs are both runners. You can’t hamstring yourself and be over-cautious with preventing injuries.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 1, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might have overstated the limiting carries

I guess my line of thought is: every time TMart runs the ball his chance of injury and the chances of our season blowing up go up. I agree qb runs have to be a part of the offense, but if we’re up by 3 tds in the second half, I’d like to see us protect him.

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by jdhusker on Jun 2, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Martinez decision-making

I know some people are down on him, but a few things give me hope for Martinez:

1) He was only a redshirt freshman last year.
2) Redshirt is a little deceiving because I believe he was a receiver on the scout team. Scout team receiver to “lead this team” might have been a tall order?
3) This is the first school at which he’s been for three straight years since….I dunno 7th grade?

by Andy Ketterson on Jun 1, 2011 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

All excellent points,

but I thought he played QB on the scout team in ’09.

I’d like to see all of us take a deep breath and see what unfolds during fall camp. The guys in charge say Martinez is our guy, and, lord knows, they have a heck of a lot better grasp on this kid than the rest of us.

But, I’m still gonna miss Cody, if only for the calm and leadership he portrayed.

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by redvalley on Jun 1, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know the answer to that?

As far as what Martinez played on the scout team?

QB or WR? I’ve headr both..and maybe he played a little of both?

But, I’m still gonna miss Cody, if only for the calm and leadership he portrayed.

On the sideline anyway. (And it it kills me to say that, I love him to death & wish he stayed here & got on the field in some form, maybe as a wide receiver??, but he never looked calm or comfortable on the field)

by Andy Ketterson on Jun 2, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

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