The Big Ten vs the Big 12 - How Do The Teams Match Up?
As part of our ongoing effort to educate Husker fans on the Big Ten conference, I thought we'd take a look at how the teams from each conference match up relative to football. There's no set formula to this, although the teams are somewhat ranked by football prowess, most of the match ups were done much like an online dating service - which team's fans would be most comparable.
At first glance this was more difficult than I originally thought it'd be. Some teams were easy to place (Ohio State - Texas), and some just fell into a slot because there was nowhere else to put them (Illinois - Texas Tech).
On second glance, I realized that I'm in the rare position of being able to insult two full conferences of schools with one shot. Woohooo!!!!!!
Texas Longhorns Ohio State Buckeyes
This is the easiest head-to-head comparison between the two conferences. If you think Texas fans have a sense of self-entitlement, you have yet to meet Buckeye fans. On top of that, Ohio State has more money than everyone but Texas, they expect to win all of the time, and when they don't, they're sure that everyone else ganged up on them and made it happen.
Oklahoma Sooners Michigan Wolverines
This second easiest comparison. Think "old money" here, not current events. Despite being down the past few seasons, Michigan still has the winningest program in college football history. Both have had legendary coaches (Bo Schembechler, Walter Camp - Barry Switzer, Bud Wilkinson). Both have fan bases that can be annoying, but overall are pretty respectable (all the Ohio State fans will hate Corn Nation forever for that line).
My advice on the Michigan - Ohio State rivalry? Pick a side. Wolverine fans can have the same sense of self-entitlement as Buckeye fans, but they've been knocked down a notch or two the past few years. It's made them more bearable, even though they'll probably be bitching about 1997 every time you talk to them.
Why else pick Michigan? They're in our division and it will be more fun beating them every year. Will they ever hate us as much as they hate Ohio State? (If you even thought about that for more than a second, you probably don't belong here. Hey, SB Nation has tennis and golf sites you might like.)
Oklahoma State Cowboys Purdue Boilermakers
You're thinking Michigan State, right? It makes sense - Oklahoma State is to Oklahoma as Michigan State is to Michigan - the little brother scenario. What makes that match up even funnier is that it would be more about Michigan than Michigan State, and that would irritate Spartans fans even further (and we wouldn't want to do that, would we?). Plus, coaches melt down there (John L Smith and Mike Gundy). Good coaches leave and go on to win national championships with other teams (Nick Saban and Les Miles), and both schools sport atrocious colors.
Unfortunately, Oklahoma State really fits with Purdue more than Sparty. Both teams like to whip the ball around, make a lot of noise, pull off an upset here or there, and then fade off into basketball season.
Cowboy fans are a lot like the Purdue fans I've known. If it's a good season, they're talking a lot. If not, they're looking at the ground, hoping you don't notice them, and hoping you don't mention it. We probably won't be hearing a lot from them any time soon.
Missouri Tigers Michigan State Spartans
Iowa would be a good fit with Missouri too. As Husker Mike said before the Tigers and Hawkeyes played in last season's Insight bowl - "It's the annoying black and gold team of the past against the annoying black and gold team of the future" - a great line from the voice of reason.
I'm going to put Michigan State into this slot instead of Iowa, though, for reasons that will become clear further down the page. I have a feeling that the Spartans will be a thorn in our side much like Missouri, and they tend to have a "chip on their shoulder" attitude that comes from being stuck in the same state as the Wolverines.
To give some credit to Missouri - they were a pain in our side the past few seasons. Unfortunately for them, it never translated into any championships. Each year involved getting their hopes up, having them dashed, and then waiting for basketball season.
Missouri always wanted recognition from Nebraska fans, wanted to be a designated rival. Cute, really. Most Husker fans don't understand this yet, but that'll be Michigan State in the years to come.
Michigan State shared the Big Ten title last season, so they're going to be more annoying than usual because they will have deluded themselves into thinking it will last. Hey, at least they have basketball. Tom Izzo's team is sure kicking ass this year, eh?
Colorado Buffaloes Iowa Hawkeyes
Oh, lookie. It's the really irritating black and gold team of the past paired up with the really annoying black and gold team of the future.
Regardless of the past few seasons, no one amongst our former Big Eight/Big 12 foes has been more hateable than Colorado, and I can guarantee that no one in the future will be more hateable than Iowa. Both states share a border and a commonality in that they think they're better than Nebraska. Coloradans at least have the Rockies to point to as a source of great beauty (even though they had nothing to do with their creation), while Iowa has...... dirt that holds moisture better than Nebraska's, which is a big deal if you're a farmer. Oh, and forests. Iowa has lots and lots of forests.
Colorado wins the match up with Iowa instead of Missouri for one reason only - at least Colorado and Iowa have won conference championships. Iowa last won the Big Ten in 2004, sharing the title with Michigan (also the last year that Ohio State didn't win a Big Ten title). Colorado's last Big 12 title came in 2001 under Gary Barnett, who responded by driving the program into the ground.
As far as the fan base goes, I'm not sure if you'll find as many hippies in Iowa City as you did in Boulder, but it might not be as far off as you'd imagine. Did I mention how annoying Iowa fans are?
Texas A&M Aggies Wisconsin Badgers
If you thought about this in terms of school culture it's probably the worst comparison on the list. Texas A&M is closer to North Korea culturally than Wisconsin, but if you stopped for moment, you'd realize that most Aggie fans are pretty respectable, decent people unless you happen to be a Longhorn or Red Raider. Same with Wisconsin fans - pretty decent people, unless you're from Minnesota. Or Iowa. Key thing to love about Wisconsin - beer and cheese, the best in the nation. Then there's the Barry Alvarez connection.
Other similarities - neither team is a division-mate, but both have one of the better shots at wining a title than most of the other schools in the conference. Hey, wait. I didn't really insult Wisconsin, did I? In that case, here's an old joke I used to tell when I lived in Texas.
Why are there no fat women in Texas? ‘Cause they're all shipped off to Wisconsin where they'll fit right in and find a fat guy to love them. Good enough?
Kansas State Wildcats Penn State Nittany Lions
Penn State fans are as excited to have Nebraska in the Big Ten as Kansas State fans are pissed that we're leaving the Big 12. For the Nitts - it's probably that we're taking their place as the "new guy" and therefore they can start pretending that they're part of the Big Ten's longstanding tradition of whatever it is they're talking about right now.
I wonder how long this love fest from Penn State fans will last. Penn State is not in our division, but is our "designated rival", and you know it won't take long before they're talking about the 1994 National Championship we stole from them, or how the 1982 catch was in bounds. If we can beat them consistently, you know damned well that Penn State fans are going to turn on us quickly - be prepared for it. (Oh, look, it's already started.)
Having said that, I am so glad to be playing Penn State on a yearly basis that I can hardly contain myself.
Kansas Jayhawks Minnesota Golden Gophers
These two schools remind me of each other so much, I thought I'd put them together. They're another set of schools that can't seem to get their acts together in football and then spend the latter part of the season wishing it were basketball season.
Did you know that Minnesota has won 18 Big Ten football titles? That's third behind Michigan (42) and Ohio State (35). Unfortunately, the last one was in 1967. Kind of like Kansas - whose last conference championship came in the Big Eight in 1968. Kansas had a pretty decent season in 2007, but got confused with success and rid themselves of Mark Mangino, much like Minnesota got confused with success and got rid of Glen Mason. (Okay, fine, both coaches deserved it. Mangino for being a monster, and Mason for giving up enormous leads in games the Gophers should have won.)
Nebraska should rule Minnesota in football, but they'll probably beat us the majority of the time in basketball. I'm guessing they'll be just fine with that.
Want a clincher? Nebraska gave Minnesota their worst loss in school history in 1983, winning 83-14. Nebraska gave Kansas their worst loss in school history in 1986, winning 70-0. Kansas gave Nebraska their worst loss in school history in 2007, winning 76-39. Minnesota didn't give Nebraska their worst losses but they beat us every year from 1940-1949, winning the '43, '44 and '45 games 54-0, 39-0, and 61-7 (yay, we scored in '45!), and the Gophers have a winning record against Nebraska, 29-20-2. Time to even things out, even if it'll take nine years to do it.
Iowa State Cyclones Northwestern Wildcats
I really wanted to slot Iowa State with Iowa so that we could all wave to them and say "Oh, hi neighbors, how you doing! Could you keep your distance, please, because you smell like hogs."
Really, though Iowa State belongs with Northwestern. The thing that seals this marriage is their fans. Iowa State fans were always fun to be around - they never got too bent out of shape about the near-constant losses to Nebraska (and everyone else). They still have fun at their football games, regardless. It's like they've accepted their fate.
Northwestern fans are largely the same way, but mostly because they know you're probably going to be working for them some day. Key difference - Northwestern has won conference championships, the last coming in 2000 under the late Randy Walker. Iowa State, not so much.
You were probably thinking that Baylor and Northwestern would be a better match, weren't you? Nah. The difference is that Northwestern has had some pretty decent teams lately, while Indiana has sucked at football for quite a while now. Throughout their history, Indiana has only won two Big Ten titles, in 1945 and 1967. Baylor's last conference title came in 1994, when shared the SWC with Texas Tech, mostly because everyone else was on probation, drunk, or in jail.
Again, though, it goes back to fans. I don't think I've ever met an Indiana football fan. Or a Baylor football fan. Do they exist? God bless ‘em if they do and they're still functional enough to hold a job.
Texas Tech Red Raiders Illinois Fighting Illini
Like I said earlier, these two teams are together because there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to put them. They're the odd ones out, but we'll try to see what we can find.
Believe it or not, Illinois has won 15 Big Ten titles, the last coming in 2001. Texas Tech's has won 11 conference titles, most of them in the Border Conference, before electricity came to Lubbock. The Red Raiders' last conference championship came in 1994 when they shared the SWC title with Baylor. Only a slight similarity there.
How ‘bout this, then. Both schools featured a masked rider on a horse as their mascot. No? Well, since Illinois got rid of Chief Illiniwek in 2007 and has no mascot, you might as well picture a masked guy on a horse and call it good.
Both teams had great seasons in 2008, but both lost just enough games to not win their conference titles, and both teams sucked in their bowl games, Illinois getting stomped in the Rose Bowl against USC, while Texas Tech sucked it badly in a loss to Ole Miss.
I did say they were the odd ones out. Texas Tech wasn't in our division in the Big 12, and Illinois isn't in our division in the Big Ten. That's good enough for me. And Ron Zook sucks. The jury is still out on Tommy Tuberville.
Agree with these match ups? Disagree? I'd love to see how you'd match them up. There are no wrong answers.
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"Both states share a border and a commonality in that they think they're better than Nebraska."
I think that the problem with Nebraska fans hating Iowa fans is Omaha/Council Bluffs area. Since both fanbases are well represented here it seems like a mutual hatred and arrogance has developed. Both sides feel that the other doesn’t respect them for their past/present and so both sides try to stick up for their teams.
As an Iowa fan who grew up in central Iowa, went to Iowa for college and currently live in central Iowa, I have immense respect for Nebraska. If I were to base my perception of Nebraska from the fans I know around here I would say: quite knowledgeable about Nebraska and football in general but woefully uninformed/misinformed about other teams, quick to put down other teams accomplishments while simultaneously making excuses for Nebraska’s failures and constantly referencing past accomplishments, and arrogant enough to truly believe the words above the entrance to your stadium which pretty much immediately makes the words false.
I think a great question is: What team and fanbase in the previous incarnation of the Big Ten is Nebraska like? I’m going to go with Michigan in 5 years for all the reasons that you cited they are similar to Oklahoma, except that the “they’ve been knocked down a notch or two the past few years” will be gone and all the self-entitlement is back. I really hope that I’m wrong about that because I want to have a respectful rivalry with Nebraska, not filled with the hate spewing crap that comes from some.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
I grew up in Omaha
and I have always wanted to see Iowa/Iowa State do well. I have family there and they have always seemed like a buddy. I’ll still root for Iowa and State with the exception of the game against Nebraska.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Feb 24, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
From everything I've heard
You would be the exception to the rule when it comes to fans of both sides in that area. I hate Hawk fans that are like that as much as I hate fans of any other team that can’t have a respectful rivalry.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
He's not the only exception...
I grew up in Council Bluffs and was raised a Husker fan. I live in Missouri now, but I root for the Hawkeyes and the Cyclones so long as they’re not playing NU. I have a buddy at work who’s an Iowa fan and we share mutual respect for each other’s teams. We’ll see how long that lasts, but I don’t hold any hatred toward either Iowa team and don’t believe he holds anything against the Huskers, and he’s from Eastern Iowa. On the other hand…..MIZZOU SUCKS!!!!
Now that I think about it
If I was an Iowan and my only exposure to Nebraskans was through Omahans, I’m not sure I’d like Husker fans either.
I live in Texas, and anytime someone talks about being from/having relatives in/having been to Nebraska, the conversation goes like this:
Person: Where are you from?
Me: Nebraska.
Person: Really? I lived in Nebraska for a while!
Me: Awesome. Where?
Person: Omaha.
Me: Oh, OK. So you kind of lived in Nebraska.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 24, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Get over yourself
and your ridiculous hate of Omaha. It’s a fine city with mostly fine people. Oh and it holds a good third of the population of the state, so you know we should treat it as unimportant and not a major economic center. Go with the rest of the pan handle and join with Wyoming like you supposed to.
I’ve lived in Lincoln my whole life and I will never understand this irrational Omaha hate. I guess it could be political but if that’s the case then it is real low to dislike an entire city for that and all it means is you are uncomfortable with your own views.
Most of all: Enjoy life, be happy
by Restnessizzle on Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really don't hate Omaha at all.
I just consider it “kind of Nebraska.” That’s all. Big difference. Also, I do indeed enjoy life and am happy. But only because this guy told me to.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 24, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Nebraska is so damn big geographically...
…that I would imagine that Omahans could say that same thing. I’ve noticed that the two groups ARE different, but only in style. Both have a passion for Husker football, they just behave differently when it comes to showing it. As far as politics or economics goes…this is a sports blog.
I guess growing up in Omaha, and being proud of it, I’ve always had a problem with lumping anyone into general groups. I for one, don’t fit into what I’m hearing is a “typical” Omaha guy stereotype. I know a lot of people who don’t fit that.
In fact, the general feeling I always got was that those small town folks and farmers out west of us were the pride and heart of our state and program. We weren’t exactly like you…but we respected what you were and where you came from. In fact, your “close to the roots” lifestyle is something I think a lot of Omahans or Lincolnites actually admire, although we may not choose to live it.
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by Brian Speers on Feb 25, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
And I think the respect runs in the other direction, too
Since (like you said below) a lot of the people in Lincoln and especially Omaha grew up in small-town Nebraska, almost everybody in rural Nebraska has a close friend or relative in those two cities. So we recognize that they’re really not much different from the rest of us – they just have more stuff to do on the weekends.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 25, 2011 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
It is because
Omaha is fundamentally different culturally than the rest of the state. I don’t think its so much about “hate” as it is that the political and economic interests of Omaha and the west often are different and sometimes clash. Personally I’m not a huge fan of Omaha, but to each their own, I guess.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
It is an interesting point.
The majority of people from Nebraska are in Omaha or Lincoln. The next big group includes people along I-80 (Platte River) like Grand Island and North Platte. Eastern Nebraska is very similar to Iowa, but if you go two hours west and get away from the Platte River, Nebraska is a very different state. There are a lot of people from Omaha and Lincoln that could use some sight seeing in their own state. Myself included.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Feb 24, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve found that not surprisingly, everybody thinks that the Nebraska where they grew up is the “real” Nebraska. So Lincolnites tend to see Nebraska as UNL/Capitol/Husker gamedays, rural Nebraskans see Nebraska as ag/small towns/farms and feedlots, and Omahans tend to see Nebraska as way, way more urbane and sophisticated than it’s given credit for.
The problem I usually run into is that while rural Nebraskans have a pretty good feel for Lincoln and Omaha by necessity (we shop there, go to Husker games there, go to state HS competitions there, etc.), Lincoln and Omaha natives have comparatively little knowledge about the rest of Nebraska. During the whole State Fair relocation process, the saying was pretty common in central and western Nebraska: “It’s 90 miles from Grand Island to Lincoln, and about 300 the other direction.”
I have known Omaha natives who, as of the time they were college students at UNL, had never been to any part of Nebraska west of Lincoln. Now that just ain’t right.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Good point. It's a common thing.
I’m in Des Moines, and it’s the same thing here…if not worse. In fact, I work downtown, and you’d think that I would meet a lot of people who were just born in Des Moines. Nope. EVERYONE that I run into is from a small town somewhere in Iowa. They grow up and go to college at ISU, UNI, Drake, or Iowa…and then move to the “big city” to get a job.
If I ever did run into locally born folks, I’d bet they haven’t explored their own state border-to-border either. I don’t think it’s all that uncommon in states like NE and IA.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"
GO BIG RED!
by Brian Speers on Feb 25, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
Gotta chime in.
So, I am from Nebraska. Born and raised in Papillion. Too bad most people consider that apart of Omaha. I don’t. It’s not apart of Omaha, it’s not even the same county as Omaha (Douglas). Papillion is in Sarpy.
I currently live in fake Ralston, people who know the area know what I’m talking about, 96th & Q. I think that most of the hate for Omaha from non-Omahan’s is the fact that it is “liberal” compared to the rest of Nebraska, this is especially true in Papillion. Although I did spend alot of my childhood in Clay County Nebraska.
I hate to turn this into a political arguement, but it already has overtones of politics. I consider myself a liberal, as anyone can tell from one of my signatures, from the late, great doctor of gonzo jouralism Hunter S Thompson. But it certainly seems that way from a insider looking out.
Sorry to bring politics into it, but I think that is the main reason why.
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by Look_A_Red_Squirrel on Feb 25, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Also,
The thing that seals this marriage is their fans. Iowa State fans were always fun to be around – they never got too bent out of shape about the near-constant losses to Nebraska (and everyone else). They still have fun at their football games, regardless. It’s like they’ve accepted their fate
Man you can tell that you don’t live in central Iowa…
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
x1000
I’ve had far more respectful conversations and interactions with Hawk fans than anyone from ISU. Although there are good fans, by and large I get a stink-eye from Cyclone fans when I reveal I’m a Husker fan.
But if you run across the good ones, they can be a blast to drink with!
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"
GO BIG RED!
by Brian Speers on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
One of my favorite friends to drink with is an ISU fan
we have some great back and forth about football that can go on for hours over beer. Unfortunately, that has been the exception to the rule when it comes to ISU fans around here.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Great comparisons
Round two of your comparisons should compare schools for what they’re known for… or at least perceived to be known for:
As a Boiler alum and fan, who in the Big12 is the Cradle of Quarterbacks like Purdue?
And who churns out the most linebackers, like PSU as Linebacker U? Or Wisconsin with their solid RBs? etc.
Welcome the addition of Nebraska to the Big10. Can’t wait to play you guys in a couple years! Hopefully by then we won’t be popping ACLs like candy and can field a team with Coach Hope or someone else at the helm.
Ohio State is the real Linebacker U
1. Because it’s true.
2. Because it really pisses off State Penn fans.
Hmmm
Texas Tech produces one prolific quarterback after another, but that’s obviously more of a system thing. You can’t really be called a quarterback factory until you start placing QBs in the NFL.
I always think of Oklahoma State as a hot spot for RBs, but that reputation’s pretty much based on Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders, and they went to OSU a looooong time ago.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
9-7-3.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Feb 24, 2011 9:12 AM CST reply actions
seven
of those wins came in the 1940s, just like they came for Minnesota.
That’s what happens when you’re playing a bunch of 4-Fs. Everyone else had left for service.
I used to go to the Gopher games (before I had kids) and I used to love screaming at Bobby Knight when he came to town. It was wonderful. :)
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by Jon Johnston on Feb 24, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I know, but I’ll take our only winning record against a big Ten foe however it comes. Two of the teams I follow, the Cubs and IU’s football team, won their last league championships in 1945 before all the good players came back from the war (IU shared the Big Ten title and went to the Rose Bowl in 1967, but 1945 is IU’s only outright Big Ten football title).
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Feb 25, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
When I think of comparisons, I think of basketball, too
So your Indiana/Baylor comparison makes zero sense to me, and is pretty insulting to Indiana. I’d go with Indiana/Kansas – both are mediocre to terrible at football and kind of care about it as long as they’re doing well. But otherwise, they’re in a perpetual state of bouncyball enthusiasm, the only difference being that Indiana has nothing to get excited about right now.
I think the Texas A&M/Wisconsin comparison isn’t great, but Texas A&M’s probably as close as a comparison to Bucky as you’re going to find in the Big 12. Both have amazing gameday experiences, have incredibly passionate fanbases even though they’re used to playing second fiddle in the state (Wisconsin to the Packers, A&M to UT, though that analogy gets strained pretty quickly). Big differences: A&M’s got a lot more football tradition, and Wisconsin’s got a lot more recent success, and the big one – basketball is a ton bigger at Wisconsin than it is at A&M.
When someone states their purpose for writing, it's usually best to read it.
As part of our ongoing effort to educate Husker fans on the Big Ten conference, I thought we’d take a look at how the teams from each conference match up relative to football.
IU football is pitiful. Sure I’m a Purdue fan, and I’m supposed to say that no matter what, but this review just came from someone outside the Big 10 (for now) and I think it speaks volumes about that program in Bloomington.
I’m sure we’ll get a basketball preview at some point.
I come from a land down unda
Welcome
I came over here from Sippon On Purple, so welcome new red & white uniformed rival.
And really, what’s up with that? You could almost do a Big Ten Division with red & white uni teams – Ohio State, Nebraska, Indiana, Wisconsin (ouch for last year, but we kicked their buttocks in 2009).
ps: Please make sure Coach Pelini calls Kirk Ferentz ASAP for tips on How To Play NU.
And check out Sports Blog “Black Heart, Gold Pants” – those guys are funny as hell when they lose – especially to NU.
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And check out Sports Blog "Black Heart, Gold Pants" – those guys are funny as hellwhen they lose – especially to NU.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Double fixed
And check out Sports Blog "Black Heart, Gold Pants" – those guys are funny as hellwhen they lose – especially to jNW.
Great article Jon
You got some really hilarious lines in there. Any “flaws” in your comparisons simply stem from the fact that the Big Ten and the Big 12 just don’t have perfectly matching teams, although you nailed the obvious ones.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Alright, I'll give this a whirl
Here’s my stab at it, from a native Big Tenner who probably knows as much about the Big 12 as most of you guys do about us. This is from a mostly-football standpoint, but basketball and academic influences may creep in. Also, I’m not used to thinking divisionally yet, so maybe that has more of an impact on how you see the teams than how I do. These are in descending order of how strong I think the comparison is.
Ohio State — Texas
Obnoxious, arrogant fans? Check. Best state for recruiting in the conference? Check. Most money? You betcha.
The difference: OSU doesn’t want to be the tyrannical overlords of their conference. They (like Michigan was when they were on top oh so long ago) are benevolent dictators.
Michigan — Oklahoma
I agree here too (though I think Michigan and Nebraska may actually be each other’s closest counterparts). To add to what Jon said above about old money, coaches, and traditions: Since they’re in your division, if/when Michigan gets back on their feet, they will be one of Nebraska’s toughest competitors and biggest rivals, like Oklahoma was in the Big Eight. The difference: Michigan rivals only Northwestern in academics and takes a lot of pride in it. Oklahoma, not so much.
Penn State — Colorado
The first place where I’m going to differ from Jon. Not just because Penn State will be among your most hated rivals and toughest competition (they will). But also because, like Colorado, I foresee a big culture clash between the two of you. Nebraskans have often complained about Colorado’s “West Coast,” hippie fans. Well, Penn State’s fans have the most “East Coast” mentality in the conference, as some of that NY/Philly influence seeps in. They’re probably the most cynical and outspoken of the bunch of us (aren’t sweeping generalizations great??). The difference: Penn State has much bigger crowds and a lot more wins. They will beat you more often than Colorado did. Luckily, they’re not in your division.
Iowa — Missouri
The annoying black and gold teams, indeed. Both share your eastern border, both have had sustained success recently (Iowa for a little longer), and both will be among your toughest competition in the division. The difference: The proximity, the disputed regions (Omaha sounds like Toledo in the UM-OSU rivalry), and the annual game at the end of the year will make this a bigger rivalry than Nebraska-Missouri ever was.
Minnesota — Iowa State
Both sound like they have great, fun fanbases who would love to win but don’t get too upset anymore if they don’t, and who come for the game experience as much as anything else. Also, you’ll beat them. A lot. The difference: Their pasts. Minnesota used to be third-best in the Big Ten and the only other team you had to consistently worry about, besides Michigan and Ohio State. Not so much anymore. Oh, and the trophies. Dear lord, the trophies (actually, we kinda like ’em).
Wisconsin — Texas A&M
Purdue — Oklahoma State
I’ll bow to Jon’s intuition on these, since I know nothing about either A&M or OSU. Among the differences though, Purdue has been a quarterback factory for the NFL, and Wisconsin has been pretty good at developing running backs.
Indiana — Kansas
Gotta go with Cheeseandcorn on this one. Indiana is the only team in the Big Ten who clearly cares more about their basketball team than their football. The difference: Kansas was once not-so-bad at football. Indiana always was.
Northwestern — Baylor
Yeah, I’m going with what’s probably the more obvious-but-shallow comparison here than Jon did. Both teams come from the smartest schools in their conference (at least according to US News’ most recent rankings). Both have tiny but respectable fanbases. Both win more often than you would think. The difference: Northwestern smart >> Baylor smart. The respect for the degree with which these nerds play football means that Northwestern is many people’s “second-favorite” team.
Michigan State — Kansas State
With Missouri and Colorado taken, that leaves Kansas State. Even I know this one’s a reach, and I know next-to-nothing about KSU. They seem to have been an in-division thorn in Nebraska’s side recently though, and I guarantee MSU will be in the future. Although MSU is academically respectable, I get the sense that both are pretty good party schools with touchy fanbases. Also, they both love their basketball (though as Rittenberg discusses, MSU was and may always be more of a football school). The difference: Like PSU, MSU will have much bigger crowds and will be much tougher to beat consistently than their Big-12 counterpart was. Also, MSU has been winning for a lot longer, so that I think KSU is viewed as more of an upstart team who has won more than they were expected to; whereas MSU is seen as more of a downtrodden team who expects to win more than they do. Make sense? Good.
Illinois — Texas Tech
Yeah, I couldn’t think of anything for them either…!
good job
and some very good points……
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by Jon Johnston on Feb 24, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Although Byrne is just a mercenary
Honestly, no matter how you twist it, Wisconsin is basically pre-Solich Nebraska lite.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
I for one lived with two roomates
For a while one Was a longhorn fan. And the other was an Iowa fan. So I can’t like either team. Just hope its doesn’t become a nasty rivalry with the hawks.
by huskermic on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It will
Especially in the years when a division title is on the line. My guess is that Nebraska and Michigan will probably be the front runners in the division most years, and Iowa fans will become irritated quickly by that.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Define nasty...
We in the B1G love to get our hate on! Not poison the Toomer’s Trees hate, but hate nonetheless. Come hate week, we will talk shit, taunt, create the most beautiful MS Paint artwork in the known universe, and make prank calls; you know mostly juvenile stuff. Then Sunday we either bask in our glory, or sulk. Then it’s off to the next hate week. And except for fOSU, we pretty much root for all our brethren during their OOC and Bowl games.
Typical Husker
Typical for a Husker fan, especially when the subject of Texas Tech comes up. How does it feel to lose the last 4 meetings with Tech?
10/17/2009 lost 31-10
10/11/2008 lost 37-31
10/8/2005 lost 34-31
10/9/2004 lost 70-10
A little traumatic? I hear that trauma sometimes induces amnesia….so I’m sympathetic to your loss of memory.
I lived in New Mexico the year we ost 70-10. I was going to make the trip and decided against it. Glad I didn’t waste the gas!
by Aaron Musfeldt on Feb 24, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I really didn't even insult you guys
because you did have our number recently.
As I said, though, it did not translate into championships for you.
And Tommy Tuberville? Good luck with that.
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by Jon Johnston on Feb 24, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Who Has the Troll Spray?
Good Lord, get over it man.
You don’t have to follow us around the rest of your life trying to squeeze some dignity from those four aberrations.
by UltimaRatioRegum on Feb 25, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Echoes from the frozen tundra (aka Michigan)
Why else pick Michigan? They’re in our division and it will be more fun beating them every year. Will they ever hate us as much as they hate Ohio State? (If you even thought about that for more than a second, you probably don’t belong here. Hey, SB Nation has tennis and golf sites you might like.)
Well, the answer to that is most definitely no. But you can come really really close. In Michigan we will always look at ‘that school down south" as the spawn of Satan. But we can probably bring ourselves to think of the Cornhuskers as Satan’s first cousin or something like that.
We have a nice start to work with based on the 1997 national championship thing. Then we will probably play each other for the top spot in the division in most seasons. Then we can add in some kind of goofy trophy to play for. Before you know it we will be calling each other poopy face and all kind of really nasty stuff.
Then we will probably play each other for the top spot in the division in most seasons.
Bracing for BHGP arrival…
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 25, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
hen we will probably play each other for the top spot in the division in most seasons.
You can say that when you again have a winning record in conference. Until then, just hold off on the automatic superiority.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 25, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
You’re thinking Michigan State, right? It makes sense – Oklahoma State is to Oklahoma as Michigan State is to Michigan – the little brother scenario. What makes that match up even funnier is that it would be more about Michigan than Michigan State, and that would irritate Spartans fans even further (and we wouldn’t want to do that, would we?). Plus, coaches melt down there (John L Smith and Mike Gundy). Good coaches leave and go on to win national championships with other teams (Nick Saban and Les Miles), and both schools sport atrocious colors.
As a die-hard Wolvering fan, I can fully attest to the fact that we really don’t m,ind if you irritate the Spartys at all. It is a favorite pastime. It’s sort of like playing kick the can except the can cries.
great post
and thanks for not putting us with Iowa St!
I’m so excited for Neb/Minn games. I know the programs are at very different places but we’ve played each other 51 times, should be fun to renew this series.
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Your Purdue "fan" synopsis is way off.
The majority won’t look “at the ground” if it’s a bad football season – we’ve had to endure many of those. Certainly were more fired up if it’s a winning season, but who isn’t? And we’ve ALWAYS looked forward to bball season no matter how the football team does.
If Purdue University spent money on a solid football coach & staff, then the B1G TEN conference would be a huge free-for-all almost over night. The recruiting would be sooo much easier when 18-year olds know a coaching staff is top-shelf AND they’ll get to play the likes of Ohio St., Notre Dame, Wisconsin and such each year. Oh, and now the Huskers.
As it stands now, the Boilers usually do their football coach shopping at flea markets and discount stores, looking for the cheapest bargains.
Think current Coach Hope(less).
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Wisc fans
You are in for a rude awakening if you think Wisconsin fans are civil. I have seen them throw piss on people, assault elderly people, and even throw batteries at opposing teams bands. They are by far the most rude fans in the Big Ten followed by tOSU fans and Penn St. fans being a close third.

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