The Bo Pelini Coaching Rumor Denial Game
Tell me if you've heard this one before. Somebody writes an article that suggests Bo Pelini could be a candidate for an open coaching position, some people swallow the story whole, and Pelini issues a denial of the whole thing. And when all is said and done...Pelini's still the head coach at the University of Nebraska. Last year, it was Miami-Florida. Earlier this month, it was Ohio State. This week: Penn State.
Monday, David Jones of the Harrisburg Patriot-News reported via Twitter that Pelini "talked to people at Penn State", according to his sources. Tuesday, Ron Musselman of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette took the story one step further by reporting that Pelini "was interviewed last week in Texas by (interim PSU athletic director Dave) Joyner." Pelini immediately denied both reports, calling the Musselman report "irresponsible."
Miami has long had issues with the NCAA, and Ohio State just got nailed with scholarship reductions and a bowl bad. And Penn State is even worse as even Musselman calls the Penn State situation "toxic". The rumors frankly do not pass the smell test... yet some people keep taking the bait every time someone goes trolling. Sportswriters are only as good as their sources, and if a source embellishes a story, the story isn't good.I've long dismissed the Miami and Ohio State reports, as Pelini "talking" doesn't mean much of anything. Take the following inquiry to either Pelini himself or a representative of Pelini: "Any interest?" Is that talking? Yep. But if Pelini (or his representative) says "No" or "Thanks but no thanks."...that's still talking, but it's not showing any interest by Pelini. And that's what Pelini was being criticized for. Was their any evidence that Pelini pursued the job? None that I've seen, heard, or read.
Tuesday's report that Pelini "interviewed" in Texas is a little more concerning...but this report was denied on both ends. Penn State spokesman Jeff Nelson pointed out that Joyner hasn't been to Texas since December 8th, and that was for preparations for the TicketCity Bowl in Dallas. So did Musselman get a bad report, or did one of his sources embellish a "conversation" and turn a brief conversation into an "interview?" Maybe it was an "interview' like the one that Armen Keteyian obtained from Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary.
Husker fans aren't used to our coaches being pursued from outside. Tom Osborne had a few inquiries here and there. Frank Solich spent so much time at Nebraska as a player and coach that nobody ever bothered to pursue him. Bill Callahan was so awful as head coach that nobody (not named Steve Pederson) ever considered hiring him.
And it's not like Pelini is the only guy who gets these types of rumors. Kirk Ferentz periodically gets his name thrown out there, even without a resume like Bo Pelini's. Bob Stoops is perennially linked to every job opening it seems. (Just Google "Bob Stoops Rumors" and you'll find him signed, sealed, and delivered to Notre Dame, Florida, Southern Cal, and several NFL teams.) And yet, they're still at the same job they've had for years.
Tom Osborne sums it up when he says that it's not a surprise why Pelini's name keeps coming up:
"I think a lot of people around the country see him as a very viable candidate."
My take on this is that it's going to take more than "talking" and an unsubstantiated report that Pelini "interviewed" before I'll believe that Pelini is planning to leave. Osborne says that he and Pelini talk frequently, and Osborne believes Pelini and his family are happy here. That vibe would have to change if Pelini were to consider leaving.
There will be more noise if Pelini were really planning to leave; more grumblings, more sources. If the media isn't going to take a skeptical view and double/triple check their sources before running with a story, then it's up to fans to do it. Wait for more sources to validate these stories before jumping on the rumor of the day.
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Take it as a compliment, folks...
(I think Frank can also be thrown into the category, while not awful, that no one else was interested either…and for any who would argue the point, no one exactly came running when he did become available.)
If you’ve got a good coach, others will sniff around him. If he’s got any sense, he will do his best to make sure the interest is known (um, time for a raise, boss?), while also seeing to it that it appears he was never interested/interviewd/etc. (I’d never leave – I love you guys!)
Incidentally, Armen Keteyian is a tool. His NC State & Nebraska trash job books remain examples of the worst kind of sports journalism – find one anonymous whistle blower & run with it, the lack of substantiation be damned. For better examples of the genre, check “Under The Tarnished Dome” and “Tarnished Heisman” by Don Yaeger. Multiple named quoted sources, pursuit of paper trails – these things are like eating paste to a guy like Keteyian.
Dirk Chatelain Is guilty of this.
I follow him on twitter and he seems like a nice enough guy, but creates a lot of wild speculation with these types of rumors. It’s funny how so many sports reporters on twitter tweet all day about these rumors instead of picking up the phone and making a few phone calls to get some solid answers.
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Depends on your perspective...
…he riles people up and gets a reaction. 100 years ago, he’d be in demand by newspapers.
Now, well he’s probably better off on talk radio with his inflammatory commentary.
by Husker Mike on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
TAYLOR MARTINEZ HATES BO PELINI; IS TRANSFERRING
I heard it on Twitter!
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions
Does Pelini have an agent?
I could’ve sworn his contract negotiations were done mano a mano with Osborne, with some lawyers for the standard rigamore of a multimillion dollar CEO’s contract.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions
My Take
… On this matter, I’ve come to believe that most ADs, when looking for a coach, have a sort of wish list of coaches ready rather quickly. So there are people they want to talk to no matter what to see if they are interested. I’m sure Bo’s name appears on such lists often. They unofficially make contact to gauge interest and if it doesn’t go anywhere, they start to “beat the bushes” for recommendations. Sometimes, I think they just call around for that alone.
I think for Bo, it’s a smelly catch 22. It would be simpler if he just admited whenever he was contacted by other ADs or reps for these schools, but Bo knows that once you cross that line, the press will try to drag every last detail out of you and even if you spill all the beans and profess undying loyalty, it will grab more interest, move views if a story suggest that there is something going on despite what all parties say (which is sometimes true, after all).
We are in a Chip Brown media age… throw brown chips and the wall and see if one sticks, hopefully it smelly and juicy too boot!
If ignorance is heavenly bliss, then welcome to hell.
Note: All post by this member may be edited & self-censored to spare everyone from his endless rants and swears.
Well said..
Danny Nee. Rutgers. Need more be said?
by Andy Ketterson on Dec 21, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Rumors don't get much dumber than this one
Under NORMAL circumstances, Nebraska to Penn State or vice versa is a lateral move. I don’t need to list all of the problems that PSU has, but after the NCAA is through with them, it could be a decade before the full effects of this mess finally wear off (by that, I mean not only sanctions, but damaged recruiting, and (possibly) not being able to hire a top notch coach).
By any objective measure, Pelini has a very good job in Nebraska. He’s got one of the most respected ex-coaches ever as his AD. Top notch facilities etc etc. There’s maybe five or so programs around the country where the job would be a clear step up for him. Penn State is not one of them. He’s really have to hate it here to make that jump, and I don’t think he does.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
A clear step up?
I was thinking of this while talking it over with some Iowa fans…
Where would you all say is a “clear” step up from Nebraska? What factors do you take into account? Pay? Tradition? Access to Talent? Climate?
I’d say there are only probably 10 or less schools on Nebraska’s Level, not in any order:
Oklahoma?
Texas?
Florida State
USC
Notre Dame?
Ohio State
Michigan
Alabama
LSU
Tennesee?
Of that list…I probably only see 3 or so clear step ups
USC
Alabama
Ohio State – being the best chance we lose Pelini barring catastrophe at Nebraska
What do you think?
I think you're generally right
I would take USC off the list of “clear step up” because their facilities aren’t as nice, they’ve got problems with the NCAA, and their fan support is nowhere near that enjoyed at Nebraska or many other top tier schools. I’d consider that a lateral move because USC does have advantages over Nebraska in other areas like access to talent.
I would, however, move both LSU and Texas (maybe OU?) into the clear step up range. They more or less have all the advantages Nebraska does plus better recruiting, warmer weather, and more money.
Otherwise I think you’re dead on.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
USC
is a way better job than Nebraska, its not even close going from the middle of nowhere to a top ten team in the largest market without a pro team…. get a clue.
Yawn
Who’s won more than 800 games? Who actually sells out their stadium more than once a year? Who hasn’t been taken to the woodshed by the NCAA? Who isn’t playing in a stadium so badly run down that they have to crawl on their knees to their cross town rivals asking them to play in their stadium?
You get the point.
If that wasn’t enough, NU’s football program makes more money, NU’s athletic department has a bigger budget and is self sustaining, unlike USC. Nebraska plays in a more prestigious conference, and once its a full revenue member in the Big Ten, the gap in revenue between the two schools will go from substantial to vast.
USC’s one and only advantage is its location. Of course by the weighting you assigned to measure the worth of teams, San Jose State and SDSU should be right up there with USC. Unfortunately, like most left coasters, you have no idea what you’re talking about and will blindly defend your biases in the face of all facts.
I suggest you go back to your Pac 12 blogs where you can hang out with like minded fans and pretend you’re relevant.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
I see several "clear steps up" there.
Other than the ones you noted, I’d add Texas, Oklahoma, LSU and Florida to the elite-elite list. The reason? Recent, sustained success and area-talent. I’m sorry to say, but Nebraska isn’t as elite as we’d like to think it is. We can thump our chests all we want about first-rate facilities, tradition, fanbase, etc, but the bottom line is Nebraska hasn’t been truly relevant since 2001 and is a tough place to recruit. A major factor working against us is the fact that we HAVE to recruit nationally— and as far as I know, our coaches are stuck flying commercial most of the time to get to recruits, for crying out loud. Bob Stoops can hop in a private jet and zip across the border to Texas to visit several recruits a day. Pelini can’t hope to cover that much ground without the same privileges (yes, I’m aware that he occasionally gets loaners from boosters, but it’s not enough).
Pelini can’t be faulted for being cognizant of other opportunities, should they arise. IMO, if LSU or Florida opened up and came calling, he’d be gone. Just the way it is. The SEC’s recent dominance has allowed them to cultivate and retain the elite talent that grows right in their backyards. Few cross-country recruiting trips for those guys, if any. BCS coaches with championship aspirations would be giddy to take either of those jobs.
Perhaps Nebraska can become a top-5 job again someday, but it’s going to take an extended period of sustained success (and/or a serious upgrade in local talent) to get there.
I would possibly
add Oregon to that mix. They aren’t a traditional power, but damn, they are in beast mode with regards to $ and facilities. The same might be said for Wisconsin.
I like your list minus Tennessee, but add back Florida.
I would have added in Penn State and Miami, however, they are way down due to recent events.
by JimmytheRed on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Wisconsin isn't an elite job.
Wait until next season. They’ll appear ordinary and bad. They just lost Chryst and they’ll be starting a new QB who likely hasn’t played in a game yet.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
They bet the farm on this year. They may still win their division by virtue of OSU’s and PSU’s self inflicted wounds, but the Legends Division will be heavily favored to win the conference next year.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
I
think the only thing Wisconsin is missing is a history. I don’t know much about their facilities, but otherwise, they seem to have major fan support and they are making money ( i think i read 5th overall?) and so with regards to location they are a wash with Nebraska, but i would think that they would have better access to local talent than Nebraska ( i think they are 3x the population).
Bo Pelini @ Penn State?
Fellow Huskers, Pelini @ Penn State? Penn State fans on LSD? Yes. I am a Husker/Buckeye, and I still cannot even begin to believe the amount of denial that exists in State College. I have never had any use for Penn State, and now I am not sure they are a fit for the Big Ten.



























