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Spencer Hall of SBNation's EDSBS offers this on the disgusting allegations of child molestation around the Penn State football program.

If someone - anyone - at Penn State had done the responsible thing in 2002, at least one alleged victim could have been spared. Because of that, it's entirely possible (if not probable) that Saturday's game between Nebraska and Penn State will be Joe Paterno's final home game in Happy Valley.

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i keep hoping

that there’s some way I can think of Joe Paterno in a positive light in all of this, but it’s becoming increasingly difficult to do so.

And Hall does a pretty good job of cutting through all the crap. He’s right. No one called the police. For a long time. This is so sad, it’s unbelievable.

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by Jon Johnston on Nov 7, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

JoPa is human

I don’t say this to excuse anyone, but this kind of thing happens all the time. It’s a well-studied phenomenon (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility).

I wouldn’t get too worked up in your opinions of Joe Paterno. He’s a human being, and humans have proven that on average, we perform pretty badly when placed in these kinds of situations.

It’s tragic. I hope people learn from it.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Nov 7, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone who reports on this is missing the point

Gary Schultz was the police – his role as Vice President of Whateverthehellitwas made him effectively the police commissioner for the borough of University Park.

I haven’t read the Hall article yet, but I’m guessing that I’ll have the same issue with his take on it.

"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92

by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 4:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Gary Schultz was a bureaucrat, not a law enforcement officer.

Do you really think that a “Vice President of Whateverthehellitwas” is an appropriate individual to handle this?

Really?

Really?

by Husker Mike on Nov 8, 2011 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

As someone said in the comments on Spencer’s piece, calling the city manager is not the same thing as calling the police.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 8, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

If you are supposed to trust the advice of lawyers who make these rules

And these are experts that non-experts like all of us are supposed to rely on for guidance. And per the rules that they put down as the best way to handle the situtation, they say to contact this guy, I am going to defer to them.

Yes, people wear many hats in large orgs. That is true everywhere. You may not like it, but this is what it is.

I basically don’t know enough about the situtation and the law to have a strong opinion about Paterno. I’ll just wait.

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by meatybob on Nov 8, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Your

sig is dripping with irony at this very moment.

Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

by Brizzle T on Nov 8, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if there is anything to really add.

Indefensible. I don’t care what the law or regulations in Pennsylvania state.

A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

JoePa's Final Home Game

In first hearing of all this, I knew JoePa would have a difficult time avoiding being struck when the sh*t hit the fan. Though never a JoePa fan, you gotta respect his accomplishments and believe he deserves a more respectful exit (you know like back to back 3-9 seasons). But having read the Grand Jury findings, the smoke from the Sandusky fire dates back into the 90s . . . pre-dating his retirement. JoePa had to smell the smoke in 1998 and to not ensure a thorough follow-up on the 2002 “Victim 1” accusation (as reported by the Graduate Assistant) will be perceived as protecting a crony. PSU faces NU, tOSU, & UW to finish the season. Three (3) losses will ensure no PSU in B1G title game. Perhaps leaving the sideline quietly with little fanfare will be the best to ensure some part of JoePa’s legacy remains intact.

"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

by OHusker on Nov 8, 2011 1:34 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for making up your mind without having all the facts.

We’re counting on you an people like you to make sure that Joe leaves with as much disgrace as possible.

"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92

by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 4:28 AM CST up reply actions  

And thank YOU

For blindly defending your school’s coach (e.g. your comment above) simply because he’s your school’s coach.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 8, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a nightmare for Penn State fans

The only way I could even begin to comprehend what this is like for Penn State fans is to imagine if it was Tom Osborne being tangled up in something like that. Then everything he ever did would be tainted because of it. Can you imagine how much that would hurt our fan base? This is the equivalent of that for Penn State fans, just to put it in perspective.

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by Billgrip on Nov 8, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

You cant defend Joe PA

At the very least, even if you buy that he did the right thing by passing it up the ladder and told the brass at Penn St about what happened, the fact that he let someone he suspected of being a pedophile anywhere near his program makes him a bad guy and worthy of firing.
How can you remain freinds with someone that you heard that about? How do you stomach being near them? How do you let them hang around the people that you are supposed to protect and teach life lessons to? How do you let them even near the thing that you have spent 50 years building?
Its inexcusable.

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

Joe Pa & Penn State

This totaly unexcustable Joe Pa and Penn State both should be suspendened from compentition and held accountable….

by sfsdhusker on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

This is going to be a long drawn out trial that is going to drag the Penn St program through the mud

For the betterment of the program, Joe should retire. If the evidence that is presented now holds out in court, then Joe should go.

For the Trolls: Lets put this into perspective.

Jim Tressel resigned because some of his players got tattoos and wanted to avoid an NCAA investigation that would embattle the university with sanctions.

Joe Paterno should resign because he knew about a child molestation ring, whose active participants were people he rubbed shoulders with and he wants to avoid being part of a federal investigation and trial that would permanently tarnish the Universities reputation, not to mention jail key figures of that institution (if convicted) for a very long time.

I’m no expert in legality, but a federal trial on child molestation is slightly worse than a NCAA investigation on tattoos.

by BledRed on Nov 8, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

I don't care where the initial breakdown took place and allowed Sandusky to remain a free man

But the one indisputable fact was that he raped at least one young boy inside a Penn State facility, and there was a first-hand witness who immediately reported the incident to coach Paterno.

For Sandusky to ever be allowed to step foot on that campus again is inexcusable, especially after the lack of a thorough criminal investigation into the incident.

I’m not saying Paterno is a bad man, but he fucked up, and he fucked up big if the details of this story are accurate.

by SteveW0720 on Nov 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly. Debate the legalities if you must, but at the end of the day, a mistake like this can't go unpunished.

The university should be bigger than any person, and for that, all those involved should be asked to disassociate from the university until their names are cleared in the course of the investigation.

A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 8, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

What will the NCAA do?

What is the NCAA going to do about all of this? Were they informed about this stuff when it happened? Will they have their own investigation and punishment?

by BledRed on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

This is so far outside the NCAA purview that they'll shrug helplessly and hope everything is sorted out in the police investigation.

I mean, what can they do? I’m guessing the investigation will root out those responsible and force those individuals out. After that, I don’t know that the NCAA would have any jurisdiction here. There is no competitive advantage provided and those responsible will be removed.

This isn’t even in the same ballpark as Miami or Ohio State, and I don’t see why they should punish the players for playing at a school with a morally-challenged command structure.

A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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