Bo Must Go
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 19, 2011 3:47 PM CST
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This is year 4 of the Pelini era. Losses at home to unranked teams have become a pattern the past 3 seasons.
-2009 Texas Tech and Iowa State
-2010 Texas (We all saw how bad Texas was last season, UCLA whooped them in Austin)
-2011 Northwestern
Today's loss to Michigan didn't come as a surprise or disappoint me. I was concerned heading into the game with a depleted offensive line missing Andrew Rodriguez and Ben Cotton and being very thin on the defensive line. Everything that could go wrong did just so against the Wolverines. The special teams play was atrocious. When Denard Robinson ran the read option, the defense strung it out fairly well but allowed big gashes up the middle. Undisciplined play with penalties and turnovers continue to be the trend the last few seasons.
I have thought since last season's disappointment that Bo isn't the man for Nebraska. I would have said he's a great defensive coordinator but now I wouldn't even give him that much praise. Ndamukong Suh looked amazing and raised our defense to another level. Prince Amukamara was an outstanding corner and Alfonzo Dennard has been just that since returning from injury. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all three of these were recruited by the Callahan staff. Dennard may be considered a recruit of Pelini's since he signed in 2008.
So Pelini's defenses excelled with talent he hadn't recruited. He made the right move in dismissing Shawn Watson and I have been pleased with the progess of Taylor Martinez under Tim Beck's play calling. Our receivers are huge let downs. Occassionally a WR will bail Taylor out with an impressive looking catch on a subpar pass but also disappoint with drops. Taylor's mechanics is the easy scapegoat for fans to rant about. His play lately has been just fine.
I've come to the conclusion that under Bo Pelini, we'll continue to be mediocre and win 9 or 10 games, nothing of too much importance or note worthy. Tom Osborne will continue to allow Bo to be the coach as long as he's the AD here. He went through years of griping fans wanting change. Steve Pederson was willing to be bold and make the change here. Hindsight it was the wrong move, I think Frank Solich should have been given one more season with his restructured staff but that didn't happen. I'm glad that Tom got his opportunity to change things on his own here. But I'm not willing to be patient for Bo to get things turned around here. I don't think much will change under Bo. The moaning and groaning I've been hearing about Pelini is starting to grow more and more. Change would be great but I know it's not coming in the near future. I guess I'll have to lower my expectations while this lasts
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Whats wrong with consistently winning 9-10 games every year?
Did ya forget the Osborne era?
Seems to me we need an offensive line coach who can coach players on blocking who is not named Barney Cotton.
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
Interesting definition of "mediocre"
9-10 wins.
Just reminding you of this:
Osborne’s first 10 years (inherited team that had lost 2 games in previous 3 years):
1973: 9-2-1
1974: 9-3
1975: 10-2
1976: 9-3-1
1977: 9-3
1978: 9-3
1979: 10-2
1980: 10-2
1981: 9-3
1982: 12-1
That’s alot of mediocrity from a guy Husker fans generally claim as the greatest college football coach of all time. Remember: Osborne took over a national title contending program and it took him 10 years to break through with a 12-1 record. Bo took over a 5-7 team with a high school level defense and he’s won 9, 10, 10, and 8 (with two games remaining) games. Compared to Osborne’s very similar early records under much easier circumstances, I don’t know how anyone can call for Bo’s head at this point.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
glad you are so positive
you know everyone can take a loss or two. it is college football. BUT, when your team quits and you not just lose but get smoked and there is never any improvement than yes I say Bo needs to take some heat. At least get an identity on offense. TO lost many games but he never embarrassed the state with his childish antics and was always putting a competitive team on the field. At some point Bo will be forced to fire a few coaches (friends) that are not up to snuff and that will be it. I can’t help but think if Frank was still HC and Bo was DC we would have been in a few title games IMO.
My use of mediocre
was a play of what Pedersen said years ago by the way
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 21, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Comparing 4 years (since that's all Bo has been here)
Pardon formatting, I’m not HTML-wise
Margin of loss
TO
Y1 1, 27 (14 avg)
Y2 1, 11, 14 (8.7 avg)
Y3 25, 3 (14 avg)
Y4 10, 9, 3 (7.3 avg)
4 year average loss – 10.4 points
BP
Y1 5, 35, 6, 34 (20 avg)
Y2 1, 21, 2, 1 (6.3 avg)
Y3 7, 3, 3, 12 (6.3 avg)
Y4* 31, 3, 28 (20.7 avg)
4 year average loss – 12.8 points
*2 games left, 1 conf, 1 bowl
Important consideration: Osborne was handed a ready-made, national contending team that he'd already been part of for nine seasons.
Osborne didn’t change conferences either. Well, until whenever the Big 12 showed up. (By then things were going well, I believe.)
You cannot compare Pelini and Osborne. You simply can’t. Two different eras of football.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 22, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Just putting that out there
I think it helps explain why a number of folks are more upset this year. It certainly feels like we regressed.
Year one, after the mess of 2007, no one was happy when we lost by 30+ twice, but we generally understood. It would take time to get Pelini’s recruits, and Pelini’s system, installed. The next two years…still lost 4 games a year. BUT…most of them were competitive. Only one loss by more than 14 points, and most of them were single digits. 1 pt loss, 2 pt loss, etc. So close, but you could see improvement. Even if Bo wasn’t winning quite as much as we wanted, we were competitive in just about every game. We felt like we could turn the corner at any time.
Then this year. Two more 30+ pt embarrassments. And if the trend continues, we’ll lose to Iowa or the bowl game…so we’ve got another loss to prepare for. Hopefully not.
And since everyone wants to say “Well, Tom Osborne this”, I put his numbers up there as well. Sure Tom didn’t lose as much. But as you mention, he had a stronger team from the start, in a different era, and played fewer games (and while Tom didn’t lose quite as many, he did have two ties in with those losses, that Bo couldn’t have had).
It is time for Bo to Go.
jdhusker has an interesting recall of Tom Osborne’s Record. Although it is true Tom was not perfect…..Bo is no Tom Osborne. Nebraska was Co-Champions of the Big Eight in Osborn’s 3rd Year. Tom’s teams were always prepared for games. Tom’s teams did not consistently receive stupid penalties and Tom always kept his head in the game and was not distracted by a call that did not go his way. Bo is not a head coach; he does not conduct himself as a head coach on the sidelines and in press conferences. His mannerisms are much more aligned as a coordinator or an assistant coach. A head coach is creative and makes adjustments throughout the game. I do not see any of those qualities in Bo. Bo’s recruiting is not very good for a program of this size and stature. Sure there are things that are uncontrollable like injuries, which can contribute for a bad win / loss record, but if you put all of the other factors together Nebraska’s football program is not going to get any better than it is right now. He may be a good coach for teaching skills and techniques, but he does not a head coach. Four years is the typical time period that you give a coach to prove himself and for me and many other Nebraska natives that I have spoken with his time is done at Nebraska.
So Bo must go because he isn't Tom Osborne?
We’ll never have another coach. Might as well close up shop and invest in basketball.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 21, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's amazing we beat Ohio State down 21 points
Since according to you Bo is not creative and does not make in game adjustments. That’s a flat out ignorant thing to say. Bo and his staff always make great adjustments as the game goes on and usually put their players in position to win the game.
I’ll give you that games against Michigan and Wisconsin weren’t that well coached, but Bo Pelini isn’t the person who fumbled two kickoffs or threw three interceptions. Is that on the head coach? To a certain extent, but at the same time it’s not like they don’t emphasize ball security in practice and it’s not like they haven’t had Taylor working on becoming a better passer (not technique wise but decision wise). Those games looked worse than they were because we played good teams on the road and they made us pay big time for our mistakes.
Look me up on youtube sometime...if you're really bored.
If you read everything I posted above...
You would see I understand that the record of Tom’s teams always won at least 9 games or more. I get that. I mentioned I’m glad Tom was able to stick around and eventually win multiple championships. People were upset that Osborne couldn’t beat Oklahoma and win the Big 8. When he finally did get that first win over OU, Missouri upset the Cornhuskers the following week.
Realize that winning 9 to 10 games back then was more impressive in a 12 game season. Sure there were a few Kickoff Classics and the occasional game at Hawaii where we played a 13 game season but now the college football season is 13 or 14 games (barring we make it to the conference title game) The winning percentage drastically changes if you look at it from that spectrum.
I agree with tjohna. Bo does a poor job as the spokesman for the program, a leader as the head coach. He conducts himself like a tyrant on the field with the referees and media. I’m sure we’ve all seen the video of his speech after the comeback against Ohio State. Why can’t he talk to the media like that? Instead he acts like an A-Hole.
I don’t expect change to happen any time soon. I’m simply voicing my opinion and I don’t view Bo Pelini in the same ball park as Tom Osborne through the first 4 years of his tenure here. Here’s a little tid bit for ya. Tom Osborne lost by 27 points or more just 3 times in his 25 years of head coach here. Bo’s already surpassed that, he’s currently sitting at 4 times in just 4 years here.
I would love there to be a coaching change but that’s unrealistic. We’re stuck with him for now. What I do know is that the number of people moaning and groaning and the disapproval of Bo Pelini is on the rise. I just have to lower my expectations from here on out.
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 21, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions
Where in that post do you understand TO won 9-10 games?
You praise Suh, Amukamara and Dennard. And you talk about being concerned about several injuries and being thin at defensive line. But no mention of TO being mediocre at 9-10 wins. Remember TO couldn’t beat Oklahoma until 1978? People wanted his head for that!
The fact of the matter is that we lost to a Wisconsin team ranked #4 at the time who played lights out. A Northwestern team where we got out-coached, and a Michigan team where our players shot themselves in the foot too many times. Its a game. Teams often lose games they should not.
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
Correct.
“Teams often lose games they should not”, like #2 Oklahoma State, #4 Oregon, #5 Oklahoma, and #7 Clemson, all of whom went down just last weekend. And two of those losses were to unranked team. Face it, this is a tough game, and stuff happens. Sometimes it’s uglier than we like, but it happens.
And I posted this elsewhere, but in the history of Nebraska football, the Huskers have never won back-to-back road games against ranked teams, according to Bob Hamer of the G.I. Independent.
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
by redvalley on Nov 21, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry I have to spell everything out
I assumed everyone here as Husker fans know Tom’s records and I didn’t need to mention that he never won less than 9 a year.
Sure you couple of guys that continue to post on here along with me, are supporters of Bo. The others chiming in aren’t. This can go on all day, all week, for the rest of the year and until the start of the next season. It’s a healthy argument that I’ll gladly put my neck out and say I’m tired of the guy.
Today’s comments of how the football team is in a better position now than when he took over may be true but it still hasn’t accomplished what we want. Championships. So until we win a conference championship or get an at large BCS bid, I’m going to remain disappointed every year. If you’re happy with where we’re at than fine. Glad you’re accepting of it.
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 21, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody is happy with the current situation...
…but pressing the eject button after what will hopefully be a 9 or 10 win season is pure insanity.
Osborne was handed a quality team after working as an assistant for said team for 9 years.
Bo Pelini was given poop in a dish and asked to fix it.
Devaney wasn’t exactly a charming prince either.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 21, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares what "we want"
as fans. If it was up to the fans, Pelini would have had to go undefeated and win a National Championship in his first season and continue said streak until he decided to retire, or he would have been fired after his first season and we would go on to the next coach.
Can’t we be proud of our team without a championship trophy?
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
by 96operator on Nov 22, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure we can be proud but...
But am I happy? Nope. I’ve already stated it’s unrealistic to think Bo is going to get fired. HE’S NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!
I’m just throwing it out there that now is a better time than ever, it’s just going to continue to be this way. But it’s not happening no way no how.
Bo Pelini has said before that the season isn’t successful unless they win the conference championship but yesterday he goes defensive saying the program is in better standing now than when he took over. Well no shit Sherlock, I sure hope it’d be in a better position than 2007. Read Tom Shatel’s article from this morning in the Omaha World Herald, it was a great write up. It’s nice that the kids are continuing to graduate but Bo’s here to win football games.
I just am tired of Bo getting raises and extensions and not accomplishing the highest goals set. If we won all of the games that we were expected to win and lost the toss up games in a close battle, I wouldn’t be so ticked off but this has been embarassing. I’m concerned about our defense this next season with the loss of Dennard and David. Who’s going to make plays?
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 22, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry that your happiness is intrinsically linked to the success of Nebraska football.
None of us are saying Bo Pelini is happy.
What we’re saying is that it’s silly to be overly disgusted with this season (not saying you are). But disappointment is okay. It’s a sign of high expectations for our program.
I assure you, Bo Pelini isn’t satisfied or happy with this season either.
And the extensions, well, those are the largess of Tom Osborne. So, you disagree with Tom?
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 22, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Firing a college coach who wins 9 or 10 games every year...
…certainly ensures that you won’t get any good applicant to so much as cast his eyes in your program’s direction. It is not only unfair to the coach, it epitomizes the notion of cutting off one’s nose to spite the face.
Raising this question, at this point, is batty. Nebraska has nearly reached the upper threshold of what we could reasonably have expected this year. I told people, MONTHS before the season began, that this team would be 9-3 at best in the regular season.
To be specific: I said, over and over again, that we would lose to Wisconsin, lose to either Northwestern or Michigan State, and lose to either Penn State or Michigan — and that was excluding any surprises. I was worried about the Northwestern game almost a year before it happened. Ask my Dad, ask my friends, ask anybody who talked football with me.
You don’t just walk in the door to a new conference, with the B1G doing everything they can schedule-wise (and otherwise) to trip you up, having lose major players on the defensive side of the ball, facing entirely new opponents that your coaches and players have no feel for, and win the conference your first year there. It doesn’t work like that. Not normally.
Barring a catastrophic slide backwards in the next two years, Bo deserves the opportunity to keep coaching here. People forget the flip-side of the B1G giving us that killer schedule for this season. Here is the schedule for Martinez’s senior year (a bit cleaned up):
Aug 31 Wyoming at Nebraska
Sept. 7 Nebraska at Southern Miss
Sept. 14 UCLA at Nebraska
Oct. 5 Illinois at Nebraska
Oct. 12 Nebraska at Purdue
Oct. 19 Bye Week
Oct. 26 Nebraska at Minnesota
Nov. 2 Northwestern at Nebraska
Nov. 9 Nebraska at Michigan
Nov. 16 Michigan State at Nebraska
Nov. 23 Nebraska at Penn State
Nov. 30 Iowa at Nebraska
Dec. 7 Big Ten Championship [?]
**************************************************
You don’t upset THAT apple cart.
by HailVarsity on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
I agree with what you say. I would like to know who the people calling for Bo’s head would like to see coach this football team. If you say Urban Meyer, I’m going to puke.
A rec for you.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
2012-2013 doesn't look too bad either - I'm looking forward to seeing these guys return
next year. They’re all pretty young but give them some time and they’ll ripen up nicely!
Sep 01 Southern Miss @ Nebraska
Sep 08 Nebraska at UCLA
Sep 15 Arkansas State @ Nebraska
Sep 29 Wisconsin @ Nebraska
Oct 06 Nebraska @ Ohio State
Oct 20 Nebraska @ Northwestern
Oct 27 Michigan @ Nebraska
Nov 03 Nebraska @ Michigan State
Nov 10 Penn State @ Nebraska
Nov 17 Minnesota @ Nebraska
Nov 23 Nebraska @ Iowa
I'm guessing we're going to add an additional bodybag game for the next couple of years
If this and HailVarsity’s schedules are correct, there’s only 6 home games scheduled.
Prince Amukamera was recruited as a running back
Bo Pelini made him into a 1st round draft pick as a cornerback.
Suh was a speedbump under Callahan. Pelini turned him into a legend.
I don’t buy into that “Pelini only won with Callahan’s players” crap. Pelini took a 5-7 team and made it 9-4 the next season with most of the same players. He coached them up. And he didn’t suddenly get stupid, he’s still the same guy.
I think overall he has a little bit less talent currently due to the fact that his first couple recruiting classes were a hard sell. Think about it, here’s a guy that’s coming to you saying “I’ve never been a head coach before, and I’m taking over a team that went 5-7. Oh and by the way, Lincoln is a pretty small town and it gets really cold there 4 months out of the year. You should definitely come here instead of Texas, USC, Florida, or Bama.”
But now, look at what he can tell a recruit. “I have a proven record of winning 9 or 10 games every year. We won or at least tied for the lead in our division 3 of the 4 years I’ve been coaching. I coached up Ndamukong Suh into the 2nd pick in the NFL draft and a household name. We are in a conference with much more stability. Our defense was built to stop teams in the Big 12, and we know how to stop teams in the Big 10 and we are recruiting the right guys to do it. We had the toughest schedule in the Big 10 last year and we still won 9 games (pending iowa and bowl game). We have a new offensive coordinator who has come up with very creative ways to attack defenses and our offense is going to be one of the most dynamic attacks in the country as we get more experience within the system. We believe that a player of your caliber might make the difference of us winning 9 or 10 games to us winning 12 or 13 games a year. Come play for us!”
Much better selling points now. Hence the reason that last year’s recruiting class was his best, and this year there are quite a few high-profile guys that are considering, and I think in the end this year’s class will be just as good if not better.
Look at all the young talent on the field- Kenny Bell, Ameer Abdullah, Taylor Martinez, Chase Rome, Andrew Green/Ciante Evans/Stanley Jean-Baptiste. All those guys are going to be great over the next few years and during that time we will be bringing in even more talent behind them.
Look me up on youtube sometime...if you're really bored.
He also hasn't recruited for the Big Ten.
The Big 12 requires a speedy defense with hybrid linebackers.
The Big Ten requires brick walls and sandbags to kill the ground game and allow the cornerbacks to stand off the line and actually cover the receivers.
Pelini is doing pretty well playing what is essentially eight bowl games against the Big Ten with a team built to compete in the Big 12.
Maybe Pelini prepared wrong, but he isn’t an idiot. He’ll turn things around.
Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Nov 22, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
They way people talk it sounds like they think they themselves would be a better head coach. Bo Pelini didn’t suddenly get stupid. He still has the same brain that has made one of the best defenses in the country over the past two seasons, as well as many other seasons he was a defensive coordinator.
Look me up on youtube sometime...if you're really bored.
So much derp in this post.
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by Brizzle T on Nov 25, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, derp
Some dumbass word I had to look up to understand but that’s exactly what it is. This site is full of derp
by MrCollegeFtbll83 on Nov 25, 2011 5:52 PM CST reply actions
Reply fail derp.
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by Brizzle T on Nov 25, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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