Corn Flakes: The Day After Wisconsin
by JLew on Oct 2, 2011 12:58 PM CDT
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Not much that I can say that won't be covered in the links. Lots of problems came up in this game, some old and some new. Badger fans if you pop over to read this, these are concerns for this team going forward, I think everyone knows the better team won, we just wanted to see a better game.
Youth is some of it, especially in the defensive backfield, but coaching problems are starting to show as well. Also how long can you let Martinez make mistakes and be the starter? Does Turner to QB start picking up some steam?
Badgers crush Huskers behind Wilson - Big Ten Blog - ESPN
The good news for Nebraska is the loss doesn't come in the Legends Division. Nebraska's home schedule still is favorable for the Huskers to get to Indianapolis, but they have to eliminate mistakes on offense and get their swagger back on defense. I wouldn't want to be in the defensive meeting room with the Pelini Bros. this week. Fortunately, Nebraska has a reeling Ohio State team coming to Lincoln (never thought I'd write that sentence).
Report card: Nebraska vs. Wisconsin
OVERALL (F) At one point in the fourth quarter, the scoreboard reset to 0-0. If only. Later, the students began chanting "Big Ten football!" Yes, Nebraska showed up to its first Big Ten game and looked like it didn't belong. Oh, sure, the Huskers moved the ball early, but then started making mistakes left and right, while Wilson-led Wisconsin was clean, crisp and efficient. You know, how Nebraska used to be, back in the day. Simply put, this was another dud on the big stage by a vastly overrated team.
Well those 2 pretty much sums it up. You can look at all the point by point anaylsis after the jump if you want to relive the horror.
Steven M. Sipple: Huskers far too sloppy in Big Ten christening
No way eighth-ranked Nebraska could win this game unless it played somewhere in the vicinity of perfect. The Huskers were nowhere near that vicinity, with nine penalties for 80 yards and three turnovers that the Badgers turned into touchdowns. The NU defense had far too many mental breakdowns and missed tackles.
Chatelain: Going to the air backfires on Beck - Omaha.com
The biggest difference between Wisconsin and Nebraska is very simple: The Badgers have a quarterback who does it all. The Huskers do not. Bo Pelini and Tim Beck want to build an offense around Martinez? Fine. But stick to what the kid does well. Know what he doesn't. If you lose play-calling discipline for a few minutes, Martinez burns you.
Notebook: NU's plan of attack fails to materialize
We went into the game saying we were going to be aggressive," Pelini said. "Obviously, we shouldn't turn the football over. But if they do get the football, you better be able to get off the field and we weren't able to do either."
Shatel: Flawed Huskers exposed; can holes be plugged? - Omaha.com
But Beck must do what he pledged in the offseason: play to his strengths and get the ball to his playmakers. That means Burkhead and Martinez carrying the ball. Hmm. Was Beck paying attention while Wisconsin was schooling Bo and Carl with bootlegs and screen passes to the fullback?
Badgers exploit young secondary - Omaha.com
Oklahoma found a way in the Big 12 title game — despite the Huskers' defensive scheme designed to prevent big plays — to isolate their receivers in one-on-one match-ups with NU's defensive backs, capitalizing on nearly every opportunity. They completed five passes for 20 yards or more, all over the field — Amukamara, Hagg and Dennard were all beat on a long play at least once. That kind of performance was rare against NU, which allowed just 18 passing plays of more than 20 yards in the 12 games before that. The Sooners found something they liked that night, though, finishing with 342 passing yards. In a similar fashion Saturday, Wisconsin created man-to-man situations that it was able to exploit. Wilson bought time in the pocket and delivered the football accurately. The receivers made enough moves to get free. And Nebraska's young defensive backs didn't respond well enough.
Cheese Greater: Wilson, Badgers confound Blackshirts - Omaha.com
I look at all the problems: penalties, turn overs, pass defense, poor tackling. I'd quote it, but that would be the entire article. Yeah we have a lot of issues.
Rivals.com College Football - Wisconsin stakes claim to contender status
There were no SEC snobs on hand to see the Badgers rudely welcome Nebraska into the Big Ten with a 48-17 beatdown that, frankly, wasn't even that close. Too bad.
Scout.com: CFN Analysis - Wisconsin 48, Nebraska 17
The Badgers are really, really good, but they still haven’t faced anyone who can throw the ball well enough to exploit the weak secondary. They still haven’t faced anyone physical enough to slug the defensive line in the mouth with a pounding ground game. They still haven’t played a team with any semblance of a pass rush. With two weeks off to rest up and let the praise come flowing in before the scrimmage against Indiana, it all comes down to a two-game season on the road at Michigan State and Ohio State before a nice and breezy final month – and that includes a trip to Illinois. Meanwhile, Nebraska still hasn’t beaten an elite team in years and is getting by on reputation and a great past. Wisconsin managed to show it.
So beating OU at home a few years ago doesn't count? Those Missouri wins mean nothing? Beating OSU on the road last year? Oh right we can only look at what happened roughly 60 secs ago.
Husker Mike's Blasphemy: Badgers Embarass The Huskers
Yes, Nebraska is 2-16 versus top ten teams this century...but most of those losses aren't the fault of Pelini. I'll blame Pelini and his staff for tonight, but not anything prior to his arrival.
It’s official: Ohio State’s offense is a disaster zone - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Well at least next week's game looks like a good rebound game.
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To me, the most telling line in those links is the nugget from Wisconsin's Aaron Henry in Chatelain's column
Wisconsin safety Aaron Henry said the Badgers designed the simplest game plan they’ve ever had. They had only four play calls. The emphasis: Keep Martinez from running. Make him throw.
They sat back in a zone and waited for Martinez to misread the defense. To throw errant balls.
When the opposing defensive gameplan boils down to, “Just sit back and wait for the QB to screw up,” and it’s entirely successful, you have a huge problem on your hands.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 2, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
T-tragic
strikes again in the big game under pressure. It didn’t take Wisconsin long to realize if you pressure him the Huskers can’t beat you. But, I won’t right us off in a rematch. If the defensive back field improves. Wisconsin has its holes the three interceptions by T-tragic were without a doubt the difference in the game. I have said it before great athlete but a poor QB at best.
It
seems it is one step forward and a massive retreat back with him.
Play to Martinez's strengths
He has to beat defenses with his feet not his arm. Wisconsin just sat back in a zone and waited for an over/under-thrown ball. At this point we should of called a lot of QB draw plays.
Maybe that was NU's only shot?
Or that’s what the coaches thought. He has to throw it, and be good at it to win, or else they stack the line. Problem was Martinez couldn’t deliver. NU needs to find a better way.
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I agree he has to throw
But not 3 times in a row…ever. Once every 3-4 plays is enough to keep the D honest. He is not a completely incompetent passer and made several great completions last night, but to rely on his arm for an entire series of downs is unacceptable.
T-Ragic
If the only thing our QB can do is use his feet, then you make a RB and bring in the next QB. I cant take amother 2 1/2 yrs of this bring Carnes or Turner.
So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!
by Amonra on Oct 2, 2011 3:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Your counting Missouri as an elite team you have beaten?
shakes my head in shame
Missouri is a good team, but by good i mean they are on Michigan State’s level of good. they aren’t elite.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 2, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
Really classy!
A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Oct 2, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasnt classy
but i wasnt unclassy either. Any way i look at it its fair criticism. those teams you beat just weren’t what i would call “elite”.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 2, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I know...but coming into a thread with a lot of frustrated Nebraska fans and telling them their wins aren't really great wins?
That’s kind of low. Save it for the middle of the week or something.
A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Oct 2, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When they were ranked #6 in the country I do
They had a really nice run there, they even hit #1 in the polls. They were an elite team, whatever that means.
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~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
I can’t believe I’m agreeing with an Iowa fan but god, that Oklahoma team finished 8-5, the 09 Mizzou team finished 8-5, the 10 Mizzou team was 10-3 with a loss to an above average Iowa team, and OSU finished 11-2 with an unranked Baylor or an unranked Arizona being their best win of the year. While all these teams are solid to say that they are “elite” is a huge stretch. When I think of an elite team that team ends up in a BCS bowl and when was the last time Nebraska beat a team that ended in a BCS bowl.
by badgerwildcat1 on Oct 2, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
A&M, which was ranked at season's end, was OSU biggest win
And beating a team that goes to a BCS bowl is a bad metric for determining who is elite. Neb. beat a Pitt team ‘round 6 years ago when they went to the Orange Bowl, so yeah I don’t think so. And besides, that OkSU team was better than the big east and the acc BCS teams. They were maybe even better than that TCU team….
But that’s how it goes. Wisconsin ended up only beating one team ranked in the final standings as well, going 1-2 for the year. So its not like the good teams are even going undefeated against BCS foes year-in, year-out. And again, nobody is saying is Neb. has been great over the last 10 years anyway.
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Good points
the OU win was in a injury filled year for them and the Mizzou wins I agree are not elite wins. We are not on the elite level yet I agree, but I have my doubts about Wisconsin being elite this year also. Because their signature win this season is against us a top 15 to 20 team at best. Where does the Badgers go from here? Who’s left? Ohio State and Michigan aren’t any better than the Huskers. I am not saying Wisconsin doesn’t have a good team but the fact is they had better hope we win out and throttle us in a rematch in the title game if they even want to sniff a title shot. But, if OU and LSU/Alabama go undefeated Wisky gets to try and redeem themselves in the Rose Bowl even if they go undefeated.
I agree Wisconsin is not considered an elite team as of yet. While we have looked very good we have not been tested against a lock down defense and probably won’t until the bowl game except for maybe Michigan State but they are still obviously nothing to the level that the SEC teams are, nor have we been tested against a great quarterback that could expose our weak (compared to the rest of the team) secondary.
by badgerwildcat1 on Oct 2, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what you are saying...
But again, there is only, what, 7 elite teams in the country in the last 6 years? USC, Ohio State, Bama, OU, Texas, LSU and UF. I find it to be a dumb thing to be compared to. Nobody is saying that Neb. has been fantanistic over this span.
Now “big stage”, well, the Mizzou and the OSU road win last year were pretty solid victories. And OSU ended up a top ten team, if not the exact date when Neb. played them. And that is the metric that everyone is using. Its not like Pelini has only beaten teams with losing records.
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Exactly
It’s a shifting target. Top 10 teams, no not when you played them how they ended the season, no wait now it’s “elite” teams. And I’ll define “elite” for you; Teams that beat you, but you did not beat, and teams you didn’t play. Bama is elite, how many wins does Nebraska have over Bama? NONE! Check and Mate.
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~Wanko the Sane
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Reason's not to sweat this loss too much (though concerns are legitimate)
With Wilson running an already potent running game, any defense can be made to look bad. Wisconsin just might be the best team in the nation (not certain if they will get a chance to prove, or will just be stuck in a 3rd place show).
This was by far the toughest opponent on Nebraska’s schedule – what once looked to be a gruesome non-divisional schedule doesn’t look as daunting now.
It was a non-divisional game diminishing the impact of the loss on the CCG. Looking at other teams Nebraska is still my front runner to win their division..
I dunno...
Just thinking if we were back in the Big XII right now, Baylor, OU, OSU would have no problem putting 40 or 50 on us and Texas would holds us to 10 points max. We are not a good team right now.
Google's homepage celebrates too much shit.
Not to mention
We would struggle to beat ISU and K St. would also be a toss up. Tech is a very quiet 4-0 and Mizzu and aTm would not be cake walks.
i
will take the sec champ with one or two losses over a undefeated big ten champ. The defense they play at lsu and alabama is simply amazing. Till somebody knocks the sec off they default get the favorite tag.
I wouldn't take a one or two loss Big 12 champion over the same from the Big Ten however.
A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Oct 2, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mistake Wisconsin for tOSU
Wisconsin has done well in the bowls playing teams that finished higher in the SEC than Wisconsin finished in the B10.
YEP...
I’ve been telling people for months now that Nebraska had nearly no shot in this game. I texted a friend earlier this week that NU would lose unless Wisconsin turned the ball over at least three times. I thought there was a good chance it would get out of hand. Wisconsin with Russell Wilson, at Camp Randall, at night, is just too much.
I also told people that, in my opinion, every game on our schedule with the exception of Wisconsin was winnable. I still think that. No one else on our schedule even approaches Wisconsin’s ability.
The B1G is down this year. OSU looks sub-par offensively and, although they’ll have some players back, we get them in Lincoln. Minnesota is utterly horrible. MSU has a good defensive front and QB, but they are still overrated (as Alabama proved in last year’s bowl game) and playing them in Lincoln is hugely in our favor.
Meanwhile, Northwestern has started losing road games and Dan Persa isn’t himself. Michigan looks pretty good and there is real cause for concern with the way Denard Robinson runs that offense (especially after seeing Wilson shred us yesterday), but the Big House generally isn’t an intimidating away atmosphere and, let’s be honest, after Michigan’s start we’re all waiting for the other shoe to drop. Penn State has struggled to beat Temple and Indiana. Iowa should be easy pickings at home unless we implode.
Yes, there are legitimate concerns. We keep trying to turn Martinez into a drop-back passer, our secondary looks lost, and we aren’t pressuring QB’s. All of those problems are fixable, and you can bet Pelini is working on them all as we speak. He is particularly well-suited to fix the problems on defense, although only experience will take care of some of them. If we see Wisconsin again in Indianapolis, it could be a much different game.
I'm so glad the Husker could oblige.
A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Oct 2, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
…admittedly I wish the Huskers hadn’t obliged me. Rarely would I have been happier to be wrong. I’d have broken out the champagne glasses and party hats if we’d won at Camp Randall. And noisemakers. Never forget the noisemakers.
Friend
First, sorry about your loss Saturday night — I’m sure that wasn’t a lot of fun to watch, but better days are ahead. I must take issue with your statement ‘Iowa should be easy pickings at home unless we implode.’ It’s true that the Hawks have gotten off to a rough start, but I think that you should know that Iowa is never ‘easy pickings.’ In the past 3 years, Iowa has never lost a game by more than 7 and the average loss point spread is 3.9.
I’m not saying that the Hawkeyes get the win in Lincoln this year, but if you think that Iowa is ‘easy pickings’ you may be in for a rude surprise.
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I agree with Jesus
Husker fans are not getting the product they were told exist at the beginning of the year. I could see another two losses, maybe more, with one being to Iowa.
I'm waiting to see how this team responds on Saturday before I reconsider my season outlook.
I still think Saturday was an anomaly.
But yes, Iowa, Michigan and Northwestern are all looking like tall-orders coming out of Saturday.
A Cornhusker through feast or famine. Get up, dust yourself off and run the ball. That's the Nebraska way.
by Salt Creek and Stadium on Oct 3, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That's an outstanding point about Iowa...
…I hadn’t noticed the thing about them not losing by more than 7 over the past three seasons, but I just looked it up and you’re quite right. I should revise that statement. I still think NU will probably win, but I can’t say I think we’ll blow out a team when no else can do it. Actually, the way NU has turnover problems, I would say that game may be close to a toss-up. Maybe 70-30 is fair.
Looks like we’re both Packers fans. Are we seriously talking about keeping pace with the Lions? What particular Twilight Zone episode have I woken up in?
Don't worry, the Packers are a freaking machine right now.
I’ve never had so much confidence in a football team. (You can tell from that statement that I wasn’t a Husker fan yet during the mid-‘90s.) I would love for the Packers to win the division and the Lions to pick up a wild card, and I think that’s what’s going to happen.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about you...
…but I went to a Packers bar in Omaha to watch them play the Saints and after watching a couple of completions to Jermichael Finley I said “Yowza!” This team is loaded.
I really think they are significantly better than the Lions, but it would be nice if the Lions would oblige and lose a game or two to make the standings look good before Thanksgiving.
I Think Bo
is turning into “Big game Bo” he has yet to win a really big game, Two BigXII championships, Texas in Lincoln, and now this horror show. Yeah he wins a few of them but when we need to win or even just to stay competitive his team seems to fall apart. He isn’t the same coach he was before he was repremanded for the aTm game last year, and his team seems to lack the fire that they had untill that point. They don’t seem to have that killer instinct on defense.
On the other hand the play calling last night was absolutely terrible. Yes they expected us to run the ball but they wanted us to pass, well they got their wish and took full advantage of Martinez’s mistakes. I’m not saying we need to bench Martinez because he has shown he can throw the ball at times, but when you have a young QB that has confidence issues with his passing game don’t set him up for failure. Beck was supposed to be bringing in a new offense and when he needed to adjust he failed to do so. We had more lost opportunities last night due to poor play calling last night then I can remember in the recent games that this was a problem.
One more thing “WHY IS THE BALL ON THE GROUND SO MUCH” unacceptable.
Bring on the Buckeyes and show me that we can put together a game plan or adjust if it isn’t going well
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Yea coming out of half-time throwing was disappointing, interception or not.
A better plan would of been perhaps to run the ball, slow down the game, take away the momentum established by the Badgers at the end of the 2nd, clam down the crowd, etc.
Lets face it, as soon as we threw that INT on that first series, the precedent for the second half was set and the game was over.
thats
exactly how it felt at that moment too
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 2, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Martinez
is not “young” anymore he has a full season+ under his belt and continues to not improve under pressure. His pocket awareness is just as bad now as it was last year at this time maybe worse. Either he doesn’t get it or the QB coach isn’t doing his job. Something has to give he needs to improve, IN GAME, or be moved to another position. If he quits that is too bad. I will agree that Beck didn’t help him out with the play calls but that doesn’t excuse interception after interception. My God you are the QB you are expected to be able to throw at least a little.
Seriously
Did Nebraska get rid of the wildcat,or what?
I really think we need to move away from the spread offense.
Relying on your running game to get you leads only works when your defense keeps you ahead. The fact of that matter is that Martinez can’t pass and everyone knows it. It’s not so much that he’s inaccurate and can’t make throws it’s that he can’t read defenses. He is to easily confused by even basic defenses.
Until there is some threat of a passing game teams will continue to crowd the box and stop the run forcing us into obvious passing situations. When our defense is playing as poorly as it is it forces us into passing situations.
NU v UW game perspective from Badger fan
First off,
I’d like to offer a sincere apology to all Husker fans that made the trip to Madison this weekend, that were not treated as welcome guests & fellow Big Ten fans. I’m a 28+ yr. UW season ticket holder, attend every home & some away games & attended the 1974 UW – NU game.
I am thrilled to have a great program like NU & it’s fans join the Big Ten !
I’ve heard first hand that some of our fans (mostly students) were not very gracious in victory after the game, don’t let that taint your view of all Badger fans. A couple of the stongest things we Badger fans pride ourselves on is our support of our Badgers, and treating our oponents with respect, class, & showing them a good time. Hopefully you were treated to these characteristics, more than the negative stuff. We look forward to many, many more games with Nebraska, starting next year in Lincoln, and perhaps again at the end of this season in Indianapolis, IN for the BIG ten title. Welcome to BIG Ten Country ! GBR & LGR !
Thanks, Badger guy
I did not make the trip to Madison. Every team has their share of buffoons and a many of them are students. Hey let;’s chalk it up to youth and maybe a a little pre-game indulgence.
Your team is the real McCoy. We might have made mistakes but even if we played our best game, a Husker victory would not be guaranteed since you guys look pretty solid.. Sorry we could not give you a better showing.
Hope to meet again at the end of the season.
I predicted 35 - 17
No shame there corn people if you watched Wisky the last three years they have been awesome missing one thing – a QB. They should have beat OSU two years ago but our defense scored two TD’s. Well you can test your offense at home as my Bucks have a fair defense. Maybe better than Wisky. Dont worry 7 to 10 points can win the game for you. Herron and Posey will not be there. The bad news is although Wisky has been known to choke at big games away, I doubt yo will beat them in Indy. It will be Bama vs Wisky and it will be one of the best we have seen since Texas USC. OU will get upset by someone but they are a great team.
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