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Minnesota Football: Impressions of Jerry Kill - The Daily Gopher

From SB Nation's Minnesota Gophers site - some impressions of Coach Jerry Kill following the Goal Line Club Meet & Greet. 

The Minnesota fans I meet on a regular basis are sure that Nebraska is going to kill Minnesota in football every year from here 'til forever. 

"You'll probably always beat us in basketball" is my usual response. 

"We'll have the same arrangement Nebraska had with Kansas over the years".

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I don't want to believe that, of course - I want to believe that Doc Sadler will keep the basketball program improving. Unfortunately, the loss at Texas Tech took some steam out of watching the Huskers play this season, which is sad because there's a long ways to go yet. Perhaps the Huskers can get it back against Texas A&M this coming Saturday, but it's going to be tough. 

Still, one has to believe, right? Right? 

Minnesota's football program is in the same position as Nebraska basketball. Gophers fans badly want a winning team, but it's pretty been damned hard to come by over the past 40 or so years. There are many reasons for this, or, rather many reasons that most would give. 

Most would say it's because they haven't hired the right coaches. They're partially correct. Lou Holtz might have done well had he stuck around longer instead of running off to Notre Dame. His successor, John Gutekunst, failed to capitalize on whatever momentum Holtz had established. Jim Wacker - his offenses were fun to watch, but like most Minnesota teams defense was optional. Glen Mason did well enough, but burned too many bridges and Tim Brewster was nothing more than a total disaster. 

Some might blame facilities and they'd be partially correct. The Gophers spent way too many years playing in the sterile Metrodome, although that's been corrected since the University of Minnesota built their own stadium (and on campus, too!). By the way, I know you clicked on that link above and read about the Gophers' new coach, Jerry Kill and when you did, you had to have seen this in the comment section: 

Hard to imagine it's so outdated so fast, but having just been at Nebraska and seeing their lifting facilities, our football weight room is on par with the facility for their women's sports.    

Others would say Minnesota's flirtation with mediocrity is because the Gophers have to compete with the Minnesota Vikings every week. I'd have to say that here they're getting closer to the real cause. 

Reduce it all down and I'd say that the biggest reason Minnesota can't consistently find success in football is because not enough people care. Gophers fans, the real ones, would skewer me for saying so, but Minnesota is a Vikings state and because of the NFL presence, college football barely exists here. Minnesotans simply do not get excited about football Saturdays - to the point that when you talk about college football around most of them you might as well be speaking a foreign language. 

The result is that Minnesota's best recruits continually leave the state. Lydon Murtha and Nate Swift were two starters that came to Nebraska - Swift finishing as the Huskers All-Time reception leader. In 2009, the top recruit in the nation, Minnesota Player of the Year Seantrel Henderson went off to USC, then switched to Miami, FL after USC's probation issue came about. Other recruits have gone to Notre Dame. Hell, they've even gone to Wisconsin. Can you imagine that - kids from your own state eager to go play for one of your biggest rivals. 

Conventional wisdom states that if you build a good program, fans will come. Easy for the fans to say, they don't have to overcome decades of suck. 

Now - take all of these comments, turn them around and apply them to Husker basketball. It's the same uphill battle that Doc Sadler is fighting. He's trying to build a program around a school that's still never won a NCAA tournament game. Hey, maybe the facilities aren't conducive to having a good basketball program. Or maybe it's the coach. Danny Nee, Barry Collier, now Doc Sadler. Maybe Nebraska should spend a couple million on a big name guy who's sent players to the NBA. 

Or maybe it's similar to Minnesota. Nebraska doesn't have a good basketball program because not enough people care to have one. How many times have you heard a fan say "I'd tried all the wins in basketball (or any other sport) for one more win in football every season"?

You don't think that has an effect on the program? 

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There's a question of how you do it as well, and who that magical coach might be.

You get the feeling this is a make-or-break season for Doc. I like what I see so far: the team plays really, really hard, which I think in the end was the issue with both Brewster at UM and Callahan at NU. Fans and ADs will tolerate mediocre records if there’s evidence the morale is high and the dedication to the program and each other is there.

I don’t have any sort of say in the matter, but I do NOT WANT a Huggins/Calipari/Pitino type at NU. I’d rather lose with 4-year players than win with a bunch of one-and-dones – the price you pay for such a set-up is a bit too steep for me.

Speaking of comparisons with UM, you’ve gotta like what Tubby Smith is up to, don’t you?

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Jan 25, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Meh

Minnesota also has the problem with (if you exclude their recent facilities upgrade) spending the least amount of money annually on their football program of any Big Ten team. Not a coincidence Ohio State is on the other end of that particular scale.

Yeah Minnesota is full of fair weather fans (I would argue that Minnesota fans generally are fickle. Hell the Twins, who have what I think are easily the best fans in the state, were on the verge of leaving in 90s. The Metrodome was half empty only a couple years ago.

I get it (I will always be a Royals fan so I know a lot about losing teams) but the Gophers seem to be a microcosm of a weird state wide view towards sports that seems to reflect more of a west coast mind set than a mid western mind set. Maybe i am off base but I have spent quite a lot of time in Minneapolis and that is always the vibe I get when talking sports with the natives.

http://victorypolka.blogspot.com/

by KC_HAWKEYE on Jan 25, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

TCF Bank Stadium and Mason/Brewster Firings

Are the two most prime examples of how Minnesota has made a big effort to regain status as a competitive football program in the new B1G era. The program had attempted in the past to cling on the to the tradition and history of 6 National Championships from the 30’s, 40’s and 60’s, but ultimately came to the realization that major strides would need to be made in order to communicate to the fan base (and recruits) a willingness to succeed.

As a UofM student from 2004-2008 I experienced some of the biggest efforts to improve and develop the program beyond a state of mediocrity. While Gopher Football may not have the pull that the Vikings or Twins have in the Twin Cities, or throughout the state, it does have enough pull to produce $290M stadium (prominently displayed on Monday Night Football this year) and two major conference HC firings and hirings—which tells me that there is at least a sufficient level of interest. Gopher football will never reach the elite status of Ohio State football or Nebraska football, but their recent efforts to become competitive in the new B1G era should prove worthy.

Hopefully Nebraska basketball will see similar results in the same sense.

by GBR918 on Jan 25, 2011 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

I agree that the Minnesota football program sucks because people don't care

But I don’t think it’s the Vikings’ fault. Look at Wisconsin – one of the most consistently successful and popular football programs in the Big Ten, and the Packers are far bigger there than the Vikings are in Minnesota.

Through the ‘80s and early ’90s, Wisconsin football was like Minnesota – terrible every year, with little hope of any improvement pretty much ever. What changed? They got a once-in-a-lifetime coach in Alvarez who started winning, and suddenly Wisconsin’s massive alumni base woke up and started caring.

In other words, even though it’s a chicken-and-egg question, losing is ultimately the reason people don’t care, not the other way around. Look at how huge Nebraska volleyball is – during football season, no less. It’s not because of any intrinsic love Nebraskans have for volleyball, it’s because the volleyball team plays at an elite level, year in and year out. If the basketball team did anything remotely close to that, people would respond the same way.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 25, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Aren't they

building a new facility for the NU basketball team in Haymarket? If so I would think that would help some with recruiting. Doc’s teams play hard but I wonder if NU just is a university that b-ball players avoid. I say go after Bobby Knight he made Texas Tech competitive. I would say Lincoln is more attractive than Lubbock. He would get to play his old rivals in the Big Ten especially Indiana and he would get to stay ahead of Krykszztiedhdkisski at Duke for all-time wins leader. I say spend the money and go get him. Bo Pelini and Bobby Knight refs might refuse to even set foot on campus!!!!!!
CHALLANGE: SPELL DUKES BASKETBALL COACHES NAME WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP, READY SET GO!

by Huzkerfan on Jan 25, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

K

Shechefsky

Right?

by Restnessizzle on Jan 25, 2011 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

One Thing Became Apparent

during all the attendant brouhaha from the Nebraska move to the Big 10 : Basketball doesn’t matter.

It doesn’t have the fan base, it doesn’t pull in the dollars, it just doesn’t compete with football, college or NFL. Otherwise some of the Big 12 orphans might not be quaking in their boots about when the Texas Mess (aka the remnants of the Big 12) dissolves and leaves them high and dry. They could just write their own ticket on the back of their basketball glory, right? Nope. Being a B-ball powerhouse amounts to diddly in the big scheme of things.

And that, my friends, is why Nebraska doesn’t care – because it doesn’t matter. It would be nice to have a winning basketball team, but as long as we have football…. meh. Meanwhile, we can cheer on the volleyball team.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jan 25, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

That's a Great Link

But, even if most basketball programs are not losing money, the lesson we learned last summer is they still don’t move the needle one iota when it comes to the big picture.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jan 26, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still excited about the basketball team this year.

The loss at Texas Tech sucked, but they have showed improvement. They’ve played with every conference opponent so far.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Jan 25, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

That trade-off never occurred to me

But yes, I would trade every single men’s basketball victory in a season for one more football win. In a heartbeat. I would also trade every women’s basketball victory for one more volleyball (or football win). I would also trade every women’s hoops win for a mushroom Swiss Runza, but we’ll stick to the original formula here…

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."-George Bernard Shaw

by Cubehead on Jan 25, 2011 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

mushroom and swiss.....mmmmmm

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"

GO BIG RED!

by Brian Speers on Jan 26, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Good post

We also had the debate on The Daily Gopher back in the summer about why Gopher football struggles. Is Gopher football terrible because Minnesotan’s don’t care, or do Minnesotan’s not care because it’s terrible? I think the conclusion we came to was “yes”.

The Daily Gopher

by Jeffrick on Jan 26, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

I've had a lot of discussion on this..

But I’ll save it for it’s own article later in the season..

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"

GO BIG RED!

by Brian Speers on Jan 26, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions  

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