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Should the "Greatest Fans In College Football" Signs Be Removed From Memorial Stadium?

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Two years ago, the first edition of our Nebraska football yearbook, A Sea of Red 2008, was appearing on shelves throughout Nebraska. It contained a short article regarding the "Greatest Fans in College Football" signs that are over the gate entries to Nebraska's Memorial Stadium. At the time, Husker fans were welcoming back Tom Osborne and wondering what changes would be made to the game day atmosphere, particularly those introduced by (former?) "Enemy of the State", former athletic director Steve Pederson

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Here's a snippet from that article in A Sea of Red 2008:  

On Father's Day a few years ago my kids bought me a ‘World's Greatest Dad' shirt. It was cute and I appreciated it. I'm sure many other fathers have had the same experience. It's nice when someone else gives you a compliment like that, even if it's your children and they're young enough to see you as Superman. However, imagine that I drove to Target and bought myself the same t-shirt. Instead of being a compliment the shirt would be a farce (not to mention a little bit creepy). You cannot declare yourself "Greatest Dad" with any more credibility than you can declare yourself a "Greatest Fan". 

After two years, I still feel the same way. The signs should be removed, not because we're not great fans - the sell-out streak is proof of that - but because the signs are a self-declaration of superiority, a vanity I find distinctly un-Nebraskan. (Or Is it that our athletic department is so afraid that Husker fans might not live up to the task so badly that they feel the need to remind us to be on our best behavior every time we enter the stadium?)

Now up pops this controversy with the Red Out Around the World web site, which originally declared a strong desire to beat Texas. ESPN's Pat Forde took notice, and used our own hubris against us while skewering Nebraska by saying: 

For decades, the Nebraska Cornhuskers have been the self-proclaimed kings of institutional class in college football.

Their fans lead the free world in civility and decorum toward opponents -- just ask them. To hear the Big Red faithful tell it, Gandhi could have learned a few things about dignity on a football Saturday in Lincoln.

Forde's article registered so loudly the the Red Out site has been changed, removing all traces of our desire to beat Texas, simply declaring "Wear Red - October 16, 2010 - Be Loud". Instead of stating what 99% of Husker fans are thinking, the site has lost its edge, all because a frighteningly high level of decorum must be maintained. Nebraska finds itself caught in its own trap. That is a damned shame -  I don't know of a single Husker fan who doesn't want to see our beloved Huskers rip the throats out (gasp!) of a team to whom we've lost to so many times by so few points. 

There's a simple solution to the problem. Remove the signs. Stop going around telling other teams about what great fans we are and let other people brand us as the best fans in college football, as Texas coach Mack Brown did in June

On next year playing Nebraska in Lincoln: I think it's special every time we go up there. I like going there. I love their fans and they've always been the best. I'll never forget that moment with Ricky Williams and them standing up and giving him standing ovation and definitely their strength coach standing there, and there's never been a better sportsmanship moment in my life than them chanting `Heisman' as he was leaving the field. I will miss Nebraska because I like who they are.    

Do that, and Nebraska will be granted a little more freedom the next time they try to have some fun with an opponent. Husker fans might enjoy a little more freedom, too. We've still got the sell-out streak to fall back on if opposing fans get too uppity, but at least we won't be being beat over the head with our own declaration. 

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Should the "Greatest Fans In College Football" signs be removed from Memorial Stadium?
Yes
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I don't care about signs, I just want to beat Texas
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I looked at those signs slightly different...

When they went up, I looked at them as a reminder of how we were supposed to behave inside the stadium. But considering how they are viewed by the outside world, I think it’s time to pull ’em down…

by Husker Mike on Jul 16, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

greatest fans

I think you have misunderstood the concept of the “sign”
The fans are not declaring themselves the "greatest’
this is a result of the players present and past – coaches -present and past commenting on NU fans and in particular Devaney’s comments about NU fans.
To take it “down” – which is about as silly as can be -( because obviously no one is going to spend the money to remove it.), Would be to disrespect everyone who has coached and played at NU
And since when do we care what ESPN writes or says about us.
Are we that shallow that a comment from ESPN has us running scared of our tradition and history –
OHHH the outside world doesn’t like the sign – let’s take it down.

by chicagohuskers on Jul 16, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Nah.

I’m a huge Nebraska fan, but I couldn’t disagree with you more. The signs are self congratulatory and reek of some kind of promotional nonsense that we just don’t need. I don’t know if you took notice, but I remember recoiling when I read about Texas attributing a conference championship to themselves when they lost out in ’08…I remember laughing at the seemingly incalcuable degree of arrogance in Austin.

Well….it’s awfully arrogant to have a bunch of signs up all around your house declaring that “You’re the best…in the entire nation!”

We’re better than that. Take the signs down now.

by OmahaCub on Jul 16, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You sound like someone who has little to no self esteem.

by chicagohuskers on Jul 16, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

let's

not get personal with each other.

you want to discuss stuff, fine, but keep a sense of humor.

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by Jon Johnston on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

In all due respect didn’t you get a bit personal by declaring we were all vain and superior and Un Nebraskan by allowing the greatest fans sign to stay on the stadium wall?
I certainly didn’t like being called vain, superior and in particular Un Nebraskan – my ancestors immigrated during the turn of the last century and put their lives into Nebraska and thus I don’t think just because I like the sign makes me Un Nebraskan

by chicagohuskers on Jul 16, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

I didn’t take your comment as a personal attack or anything. It was pretty mild, really. Still, I appreciate Jon’s intent…civil behavior becomes increasingly elusive these days, so we should strive to keep this particular site free from brainless aggressive vitriol. And I think it is, by and large :)

by OmahaCub on Jul 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

little bit different

Basically, if I make a statement in front of an audience, it’s up to that audience to interpret how they’re going to take the statement. Taking it personally is entirely up to you.

Now, having a strong opinion (as this article is), I expect a certain amount of push back – I would not have strong opinions if I did not expect to take some flak for them. In other words, if you feel the need to attack me, it’s a little more open.

However, on the forum (the comments sections), I would expect each of you to be civil to each other so that we can have a reasonable community where everyone is free to express their opinion without getting personal or ripping each other apart.

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by Jon Johnston on Jul 16, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

True self esteem

is not needing to tell people how great you are.

by OmahaCub on Jul 16, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Agree - it is self serving

And it contradicts the philosophy: “Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory.”

In other words, actions speak louder than words. If, as others have indicated we need it as a reminder, that is too bad.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our behavior is our "sign"

On a personal level, I find the sign a bit pretentious.

If our behavior DOES NOT show our class, then the sign is a lie.
If our behavior DOES show our class, then the sign is unnecessary.
Most Husker fans exhibit class by courteous and sportsmanlike behavior.
Fortunately, there are very few who behave boorishly and embarrass the rest of us.

Taking down the sign does not disparage the performance of anyone who ever played at Nebraska. Each individual Husker’s performance and sportsmanship must always stand on its own merit.

Let’s continue the tradition which has inspired respect from our opponents, win or lose. It is what makes Nebraska, both the fans and the university, truly unique.

by MuskieHusker on Jul 16, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska Signs

Take down the signs? Are you kidding me? What’s next, change the words to our fight song because we’re bragging our girls are the fairest and our boys are the squarest? I think the girls in Maine might be fairer and the boys in Wisconsin eat a lot of cheese so they might be a tad bit squarer. Ahh, the arrogance of us to think we are fair and square! Get real people, quit bowing down to society, who gives a flying crap what Pat Forde thinks! It’s time Nebraska get a chip on its shoulder and stop walking around like we don’t deserve to be where we are. Let everyone else gun to be what we are and quit trying to act like Saints!

by Daniel Zach on Jul 16, 2010 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Get over it

If this is all you have to worry about, your life must be sad and pathetic.

Plus, don’t the visiting team’s fans pass through the same frickin’ doors?

by huskerfanbb on Jul 16, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

take down the signs

I say you take them down if we as husker fans and the university decide not go by what a sports writer with nothing better to write about. Im not to worried what Pat forde has to say. If the university decides to then so be it but Pat Forde needs to just to write about something to keep his job this part off the college football season

by bbgndoc on Jul 16, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Backpedaling

I don’t really care what ESPN thinks, & I don’t think we are Saints, but the signs are kind of like declaring our own Sainthood. We are so great, so modest & humble, is a bit of a contradiction. Of course we want to beat Texas, & we are great fans, but let’s do our talking & walking inside the stadium & on the field. Alot of things were done during the Pederson yrs that have been undone, & rightfully so. Part of being a Husker fan is holding on to the tradition of sportsmanship, which is not always easy in this age of trash talk, so we must stay vigilant & keep ourselves in check as an example to the young Huskers & the rest of the world.

by SONOFLY on Jul 16, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Amen Daniel Zach

In fact, this is exactly like your son getting you a “worlds greatest dad” shirt. To the best of my knowledge, a bunch of fans didn’t get together and put up those signs. The University put up those signs as a tribute to the fans.

by Husker Bubs on Jul 16, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

anyone who thinks we should take down the sign should also demand every team who has a fight song declaring themselves “good or great” change the words to their fight song.
Michigan fight songs declares they are the best- Shame on them
And Wisconsin’s fight song claims they are going to win the game before it even starts.
How dare they!

by chicagohuskers on Jul 16, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, those are FIGHT songs

Fight songs are meant to inspire, not congratulate the athletes. These aren’t “fight signs” we are talking about; they are just signs with no particular purpose other than being (in my opinion) smug and self congratulatory.

You know what they remind me of most? Those participation ribbons they give to kids nowadays instead of 1st, 2nd and 3rd place ribbons. Either we aspire each and every one of us to be the greatest fan and don’t need a ‘participation ribbon’ telling us so, or we don’t and have fallen in love with mommy telling us we are.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Stole my thunder. That was the administration paying tribute to the fans. I don’t recall a bunch of fans getting together and renting a lift and grabbing a cordless drill and putting those letters up there. I for one appreciate the tribute.

by nemajordude on Jul 18, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ga. Tech fans have a similar feeling against georgie

It tears at our soul when we lose and after a while we say to hell with it…beat em and let everyone know that we care a little too much about that one out of conference game.

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by Winfield Featherston on Jul 16, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Any teacher, coach or even business manager can tell you the power of expectations. You won’t achieve any higher than you set your sites. Taking down the “greatest Fans” signs and resigning ourselves to being “pretty good” fans or “OK” fans is pathetic. Let every young, new and aspiring Husker fan be reminded of the legacy and traditions when they walk through the gate. Pride is not arrogance..

by jjdoozer on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

The Fans didnt put up the signs...

So they are not self-congratulatory, the school put them up to thank the fans.
I have seen a hundred such things in stadiums, auditoriums and events around the country.
Pat Ford is a Mizzou grad, so of course he has a bone to pick with us.

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Got that right - Ford never misses a chance to poke us with a pointy stick.

I disagree with your opinion that the signs aren’t self congratulatory, though. I don’t think we should need them to maintain a high standard of decorum. “In the deed, the glory” – not on the sign.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 16, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe......

The red foam hand on the corn nation emblem at the top of the page should be removed? It seems awfully presumptuous, and might be offensive, to openly declare ourselves “#1” when clearly that can not always be the case. Come on people, get a life. The “greatest fans” signs are a non-issue.

by jjdoozer on Jul 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Add More Signs that back up the Statement.

Add more Signs with quotes such as Mack Browns statement next to these signs.
I hear what you are saying Corn Nation, it does seem ridiculous to call ourselves the Best Fans. We are great fans. So are Aggie Fans so are Sooner Fans. The one thing that differentiated us from other fans in the Past was being a more stoic fan. Well since we won so much in the 90’s I think we have wider scope of Huskers fan these days. We still have the stoic fans that attend every game, listen on radio etc and then we have the younger ones that have grown up outside Nebraska (like myself) and they tend to be NON-STOIC and much more verbal :)

I would be ok with some evidence supporting the GREAT FAN statement right next to the sign.
A couple of plaques with famous quotes. A Picture of the Nebraska Fans attending the Notre Dame Game.

Proclaiming we are the Greatest Fans is not the Nebraska Stoicism of the past…we are moving into a new time.

by Pornhusker on Jul 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I second the idea!

Too right! Now THAT would mitigate my opinion that they are self congratulatory. There are TONS of “outside” testimonials for NU fans, let’s have them do the speaking for us.

Excellent idea!

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 16, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think About It This Way...

I believe it serves as a reminder for all who passes through just how we should act as fans not only towards the opponent but to our fellow Husker fans as well.

We are human you know.

by The Prok on Jul 16, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Right . . . and wrong

You’re completely right – the Red Out and aiming at Texas was a mistake. Nebraska is bigger than that. NU is about winning national championships which means all games are important.

But I disagree about the signs and I think it’s a matter of perspective. Those signs were put up by the University and the team to honor their fans, not by the fans themselves.

by NC Husker on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Couldn’t have said it any better.

by OmahaCub on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on board

Well said.

Go over to the wildcats board and you’ll see exactly what happens when civility disappears. It becomes nothing more than a playground with a bunch of third grade level insult trading. Not that I am immune, but by golly I try to be.

by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No big deal

I look at it as the Univ of Neb and more so Husker Athletics telling the fans they appreciate us. Kind of like a player thanking the fans after a game. It doesn’t bother me that its up there and it wouldn’t bother me if it wasn’t.

by Dean in Clemson on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Greatest Fans Sign removal

Let’s talk about this a second and think real hard. What is your assumption of this statement, “Through these gates pass the Greatest Fan in College Football?” Your assumption by insinuation of this article is that they are referring to JUST Nebraska fans. On any given college football Saturday, or whatever day it is…there are fans supporting both teams who pass through these gates, not just Nebraska fans. It just so happens that most of them ARE from Nebraska at ANY GIVEN TIME (or all of them when it’s the Red-White game, but I digress…) ;^)

So what if we hold a grudge against Texas and want to beat the ever-living daylights out of them??? WE"RE HUMAN just like everyone else. Don’t let the world, media, and every Cornhusker-hater out there get to us. Ever since Nebraska’s first and second national championships, we have proclaimed ourselves as the best. With index fingers points skyward, we’ve chanted, “We’re Number One! We’re Number One!” Every foam finger out there has been copied based upon our attribution and citiation. Since day one of being number one, we have had a target on our back and people have admitted to us their jealousy. They have been haters. It’s become Us and Them. They have made their remarks about us being Cornshuckers and other negative ententes. They just don’t plain like us. We have had to fight for any bit of respect we could.

So when Texas seems to have our goat, we oblige with a “Just wait til you come to town”. We knee-jerk and cow-tow to the head-waggling and jawwing by national media that we have crossed some sort of line. Horse hockey!!!! We should not even be reacting conservatively about decorum to their reactions. They’re putting us right where they want to and we should not bowing to anybody or making changes by omitting “Beat Texas!”

I say, Beat Texas and Beat the rest! Go! Big! Red!

by Landy Schwiesow on Jul 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

This obsession with Texas will lead to

a LOSS on 10/7 in Gods town aka the Little Apple

by ATL Jim on Jul 16, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the signs....

When going into the stadium, I look at the statement as a congratulations from the U of N to me, a fan. This isn’t NU fandom being arrogant, I see it as “Thank You” from the University for selling out the stadium for over 300 home games in a row.

If people look at it a different way, then it may be jealousy about their own university not having the support that NU seems to get year in and year out.

by VarangianGuard on Jul 16, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely not

The fans did not put up the signs. The University did to honor the fans.
Just as it honors players, coaches, and various team accomplishments in, on, and around the stadium. We should take pride in that and do our best to live up to the expectation.

I do see the point of how this is perceived by others. However, taking down the signs will not change others’ perceptions of NU fans.

I’ll also say almost all universities will claim their fans are the greatest fans. The simple fact is, there are no "greatest fans". Just as in life, one doesn’t win some title for having good character.

As I said, we should take pride in the statement and do our best to live up to the expectation.

by 4LoJoe on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

What you all should do

is ignore anything and everything Pat Forde says or writes, ever.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Signs

lets take down the huge banner on memorial stadium that declares our national championships too… and while we’re at i think the statues need to go, and the Husker Power signs in the weightroom? yea def arrogant…

(in case you couldnt smell the sarcasm):

those signs declare an overwhelming truth and are a matter pride, taking them down would be a HUGE mistake.

by llama484 on Jul 16, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Greatest?

How do we define it?

Sell outs? Then yes.

Applause and congratulations to the visitors at the of the game? Then yes.

Knowledge of the game? Probably no more than fans of other major football powers.

Support of the team through thick and thin? Not sure as I have not stayed up on some of those during the down times (ie. Oklahoma, Michigan, etc.)

The issue in my opinion is perception. If we don’t care what other people think and don’t consider it self-promotion, then don’t worry about it. Many Nebraska fans consider them the greatest fans in the country for some of the reasons stated above and others, and I suppose that is fine as well. However, there are also Nebraska fans, like myself, that think that this is somewhat of a stupid argument. A lot of Nebraska fans are jerks. I’ve seen them at games in Lincoln, games on the road, and at watch parties. Some of those are as big of jerks as those who follow any other team. And on the other side, many Nebraska fans are very loyal, just as fans from other schools. I now live just north of a very small college town without a great deal of athletic success and you should see the loyalty and spirit exhibited by some of those fans!

All of this is too subjective to me. How about we settle on the fact that Nebraska has some great college football fans and be satisfied with that?

by jon's only friend on Jul 16, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Nonsense

First off, I’d like some of you to travel to watch the Cornhuskers play. Go grab a seat in Folsom Field or down in Happy Valley at Beaver Stadium. Try and watch your NU football team play a game in an opposing stadium, then you may have a better appreciation for Saturday’s in Lincoln.

Taking the signs down = insane! The signs are a tribute to fans that show up in any weather, for worse or better. We stand and applaud the winning team, even if it’s not our own. The “greatest” and don’t forget “most knowledgeable” fans were monikers given to us by others, nothing about it self imposed. So, just like your Greatest Dad t-shirt, we will wear that title with pride and even go as far as to start believing it ourselves.

If you don’t like the signs or don’t believe you are a part of the greatest fanbase in athletics, don’t look at them! How hard is that? As for me, I AM THE GREATEST FAN IN THE WORLD, and that signs reminds me of that every time I catch an NU home game. THANK YOU.

by tripduz on Jul 16, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm more worried

About what K-State thinks of us now. Especially after this http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/7/13/1566343/guide-to-nebraska-for-big-10-fans
How dare they question us! Old news I know.

by Look_A_Red_Squirrel on Jul 16, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

And I'm pretty sure

that this was posted as a reponse to that article. Have you seen it? Over 400 comments!

by Look_A_Red_Squirrel on Jul 16, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm A Minority Of One On This....

I really don’t have a strong opinion either way about the signs. But I will say that I sense, for lack of a better term, a “cheesy-ness” about those signs. Maybe it’s because it was Steve Pederson’s idea to begin with (I’m still trying to purge my memory of “The Dark Times” 2003-2007).

Maybe someone can bring up this topic with Coach Osborne on his next radio call-in show. I will trust his judgement.

"No 00:01 Chances!!"

by Section 37 on Jul 16, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Dr. Tom

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com

by brophy on Jul 16, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Trophy Game.

I think fans from a school in either the Big 10 or Big XII should steal the sign and then we can play a trophy game for it. Schedule the Big XII team as a non-conference game if need be.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Jul 16, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

What a joke

… that were even discussing the removal of those signs based on what someone from Missouri wrote!

 The sign are for the fans from the university and the team, if there that misunderstood simply add, “We Thank You” at the bottom.

Enough said!

by UTHusker on Jul 16, 2010 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Greatest Fans!

It’s not like the signs were put there by the fans themselves, they were put there by the University, to let the fans know, that they are the greatest in the world… And their actions demonstrate that every single game.

by cahusker on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe

they were specifically put there by Steve Pederson.

What I find interesting is that most of us would say that we’d have liked to see all of us his influence gone. However….. the majority favor keeping the signs, repeating the mantra that the signs were given by the athletic department to the fans.

Does it change your perspective at all if they were put there by Steve Pederson?

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by Jon Johnston on Jul 17, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

okay

they weren’t actually nailed up, hung by Steve Pederson, but you get the general idea. :)

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by Jon Johnston on Jul 17, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Pederson was full of bad ideas...

…other than perhaps hiring Doc Sadler (that one’s still open for debate) and expanding the stadium (and there are some question marks about that one, in terms of paying for it and how it was designed).

Heck, Steve’s crappy tunnel walk concepts were being obliterated even before building maintenance got his name off of his office.

by Husker Mike on Jul 17, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

A couple things...

I’ve never respected Pat Forde.

We are not the “self-proclaimed best fans in college football.” You can look at all those goofy SportingNews and Bleacher Report surveys to tell you that we are, in fact, the best fans in college football.

How many times have you heard about a random fan of some random team come here and eat at Misty’s and do nothing but rave about how “classy” and “hospitable” we, as a fanbase, are? I can personally say I’ve heard that exact story dozens of times.

Bottom line; we are not the “self-proclaimed best fans in college football,” but rather, “the oft-told best fans in college football.”

[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd

by Screwface on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

todays culture

This is the same tactic used in politics by those who want to control and manipulate the perception. People are accused of not being conservative enough, liberal enough, Christen enough, patriotic enough and so on if you don’t live up to their subjective and judgmental measuring stick. They want us to think we have something to prove. If we don’t act like great fans they call us hypocrites, if we are great fans and acknowledge it so they call us arrogant, their is no winning this argument with someone who is determined to see it from the vantage point of tearing you down from all angles.

The only thing that matters is our own expectations of ourselves. If we set the bar high, then let us do our best to fulfill those dreams.

by IottaKnow on Jul 16, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Bingo!

We have a winner who nailed it right on the head, couldn’t have said it any better!

by UTHusker on Jul 18, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um...No

The sign doesn’t say “the greatest team in the nation” it says “the greatest fans in the nation.” The difference is that the Nebraska program loves its fans and the fans love the program. It’s like me telling my girlfriend that she’s the best girlfriend in the world. The thing that needs to happen is that Nebraska fans need to quit fucking boasting about how great of fans they are and do like everyone else does and talk about football intelligently and insist to everyone that the Huskers are the greatest PROGRAM in the country! Then it’s not narcissistic and weird.

by Jstevenson on Jul 17, 2010 2:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you should take down the signs

I thought the ‘classy fanbase’ bit for Nebraska jumped the shark back in 2000, when I began to read complaints from Nebraska fans about how they were treated in Norman after the loss there. I read and heard more complaints as the years went on, coincidentally always after a loss by Nebraska. Since Nebraska couldn’t beat someone on the field, they were at least claiming superiority in the ‘classiest fans’ category; it was the most hollow of moral victories.

Claiming the ‘best fans’ or ‘classiest fans’ is the last resort of the loser. If you have great fans, you don’t need a sign, because everyone else will acknowledge their existence for you.

As for the site, I’m not sure what is more embarrassing, the complete focus on that one game, or the fact that your administration thinks that by removing the name of that one team (but leaving the game date there) everyone will not notice the true focus of the campaign?

Why not just say, “Wear Red. Be Loud. Red Out The Big 12. One. Last. Time.” and leave it at that? (Jon, t-shirt idea?)

It makes more sense, it acknowledges the recent past and the coming future, and it doesn’t completely focus on one team and one game, so y’all avoid becoming a target of columns like Forde’s.

by Beergut on Jul 17, 2010 4:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Word from Nebraska late this week

is that this is the annual “alumni” game, where the University tries to connect with all its alums and really push the “pride in being Nebraska” bit. Supposedly last year it was Oklahoma, so this year the natural “biggest rival” game would be Texas. Take that for whatever it’s worth.

It illustrates yet again the fact that right now, Nebraska doesn’t have a “rivalry” game. Ordinarily, I think the rivalry thing is overblown, but here in Iowa, no one even notices when ISU fans wear “Beat Iowa” gear, or vice versa. Go back twenty-five years and no one bats an eye if NU fans wear “Beat Oklahoma” shirts or the like. It’s coincidence joined to poor planning on the part of the NU marketing department, IMO.

Jon, weren’t there “Wear Red. Be Loud” shirts a few years ago? I could completely get behind that sort of thing, especially if those shirts were forced on the hand-sitters who’ve replaced students in the primo East Stadium seats. Sometimes I think they’d prefer “Wear Red. Shut up. SIT DOWN!” shirts, if what I’ve experienced and heard is any indication. /rememberswhenstudentsgotthegoodseats

Claiming the ‘best fans’ or ‘classiest fans’ is the last resort of the loser. If you have great fans, you don’t need a sign, because everyone else will acknowledge their existence for you.

I completely agree. Actions speak louder than words. I don’t care one way or another about the signs, so long as everyone does their best to be respectful. BTW, I’ve heard that A&M games are an awesome experience, and what I’ve seen on TV tells me that’s likely true – y’all get a vote from me for being right up there with Husker fans at their best.

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by Go Big Rev on Jul 17, 2010 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

First off, screw Forde. The guy is an imbecile. Secondly, how do you know that NU fans weren’t treated badly and they rights to complain?? Were you there screening the audience? And, wouldn’t the treatment be a little worse during a loss instead of walking out with a win? It’s not really that big of a coincidence is it?? And last, you should check some of the publications and sportswriters who have all claimed NU to have the best fans in college football. Every time some poll is held that is revolved around the fans, NU is on it and usually at the top. It’s not like it isn’t all over the net, use your google machine. Those signs echo those statements from many many different sources, and are a thank you to the devoted fans who show up no matter the team’s record.

Quite simply put, WE ARE THE BEST FANS ….the signs stay…..

by tripduz on Jul 17, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

But don’t you think that there is a distinct difference between Husker fans telling everyone how classy they are and the University claiming they’ve got the worlds best fans? I mean you guys imply that your fans are so good that they help you on the field every game (I know there is more history to it then that). I agree that Nebraska fans being proud of anything besides their team is just silly, but would you blame a rock n’ roll singer for claiming that his band has the worlds best fans? No, it’s just a statement of the Universities gratitude for their wonderful fans, it doesn’t actually “mean” anything.

by Jstevenson on Jul 17, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is nothing remotely wrong with those signs

I don’t care that much either way, but the school and the fan base are two different things. Those signs are not self-congratulatory, its a school implicitly saying “thanks” to a fan base that placed the Nebraska school/program into a positions that our peer institutional do not enjoy. A kabillion long sellout streak. Membership in the Big Ten, a collection of schools that every single other Big XII school not named “Longhorns” would kill to be in. Nebraska as a nationwide brand matched by only a handful of schools. Others deem it “over-the-top” or borderline zealotry, but our devotion to our huskers affords that program options that schools like KSU and ISU could never dream of. The fans didn’t put up the sign, the school did, and it damn well should heap some praise on a fanbase that allows its success. Just because others schools are not so fortunate does not mean that there is an inherent problem with Nebraska. Its their responsibility to develop strong athletic programs, not ours

In addition, Pat Forde uses hyperbole to the extreme with his article. Other schools like G Tech rip their rivals in their FIGHT song, Nebraska produces a one minute promotional video not even mentioning Texas until the very end, and Forde uses the article to damn the whole fanbase. Texas has our number, and this year will the the last chance for Neb to get one over on Texas, so yeah, lets beat Texas. What I don’t believe from that vid is somehow we are disparaging the value system of the UT.

We are a nice/classy fans, few do have issues in going to memorial stadium. Other schools may not like that we get credit for that fact, but creationists don’t like evolution either regardless of the amount of supporting evidence that exists.

by meatybob on Jul 17, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Wait a minute.

Are you arguing that Devaney didn’t create Nebraska football in six days? BLASPHEMER!!!!!

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by Go Big Rev on Jul 17, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

well
Membership in the Big Ten, a collection of schools that every single other Big XII school not named "Longhorns" would kill to be in.

I don’t know about that. It depends on how you define ‘school’. If you mean the fanbase in general, I can tell you unequivocally that no, Aggies don’t want to be in the Big Ten. There is no history or geographical significance for those schools for us. Now, would a lot of our fanbase kill to be in the SEC? Oh yeah.

However, if you polled our academics (i.e. the administration and faculty), I’m sure they’d love to be in the Big Ten. I think it is an overrated athletic conference that plays an inferior brand of football to the Big 12 and SEC, but that is just me.

As for the Husker “brand”, y’all are right up there with texas, Alabama, Florida, Notre Dame, etc, as one of the most valuable brands in college football. I think your sellout streak is kind of overrated, but that is a topic for another discussion. I don’t know of anyone who calls your fandom over the line or borderline zealotry, because a dedicated, passionate fanbase is not something exclusive to Nebraska.

by Beergut on Jul 18, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize this

but you can actually buy a replica of the sign.

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by Jon Johnston on Jul 17, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Greatest Fans

What’s the matter with you people! This is 2010, don’t you know that it is no longer politically correct to be the best? We don’t want our oppossing fans, especially the guy from KState and the ruling party from Texas, to think that we are better than them. Of all the nerve, “Beat Texas”? We should let them win the game because they are the king of the Big 12. In fact, Nebraska should blow every Big 12 game this year as an apology for leaving the conference with only Texas, Oklahoma, and the eight dwarfs. Besides, Nebraskans are just a bunch of hicks, not sophisicated and cosmopolitan like them folks from Kansas who have better things to do during the off season than think about their great football teams. So I say we should bow our heads and sink to the level of all the fans in Columbia, Manhattan, Boulder and the other Big 12 venues and start throwing urine bombs, blaspheming children and roughing up old ladies. We don’t want them to think we are better than them.

by nightcats on Jul 17, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

It's like I've died...

and gone to the ESPN.com comments section

by Husker_in_KC on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Well ultimately it comes down to the Athletic Department's feelings on this

And I trust Osborne’s judgment, but I just don’t see how removing them accomplishes anything. The vast majority of the media and general cfb world that cares lauds Nebraska’s fans as the best in the country (actually the usual verbatim term is “some of the best fans” although I’ve never, ever heard that term applied to another school’s fanbase).

As a lifelong Husker fan, that reputation is one that I am proud of. My chest swells a bit whenever I look up at my gate as I walk into the stadium. Other teams fans don’t call us arrogant because of the SIGNS on our stadium. They call us arrogant because we assert (and by pretty much every objective measure, with total justification) that we are among the best fans in college football. Are we a bit pompous about it, and do opposing fans tire of it? Yes we are, and I’m sure they do. However, the same people who call us terrible fans or whatever, are basing those comments on extreme exceptions, or in the the vast majority of cases, their hatred for the Nebraska football program. Taking down the signs won’t change any of that.

Even if the signs go, the legacy of Nebraska’s fans will remain, and as long as that is so, the snarky articles on ESPN will continue.

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by jdhusker on Jul 17, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's An Idea

Let’s not even play for a National Championship anymore. It would be very self serving and conceited for a teams fans to declare “We’re #1!”

Instead, at the end of the season we can have rankings as such:

#20-16: Pretty Good!
#15-11: Really Good!
#10-6: Super!
#5-1: Super Duper!

Keep the signs.

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by BaldViking on Jul 17, 2010 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

"We, we, we, we"

Here’s the problem, fans have always conveniently refered to their team as “we” for the longest time…like they are intimately involved with the team, I do it all the time. BUT, the truth is, fans need to separate themselves from their sports teams in situations like these. “We” didn’t hang the signs above the gates, the UNIVERSITY did. The UNIVERSITY hung them in honor of the fans who have patronized the university for 100+ years.

Think of it this way, say 100,000 people are big fans of Target. They buy EVERYTHING from Target and make Target a giant success. One day, Target puts up a sign over the front doors that say, “Through these doors pass the greatest shoppers.” If you were one of those customers, would you “complain” because “we” (Target) is stating something that your actions should show? I would guess that you would be thrilled that Target recognizes your patronage to their store.

It’s the same thing with sports. You are a patron of the product they are selling. You are not part of the product. The University posted those signs above the gates as a tribute and a thank you to the patrons / fans of Nebraska football.

Leave the signs up. They aren’t meant as a “look at us, WE’RE the best” put up by the fans….NO…quite the opposite, they’re meant as a “look at our customers, THEY’RE the best” put up by a business.

by golfarch on Jul 17, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me also put it this way:

When you go to the game and hold up a sign that says “Nebraska is the best,” is that necessary? I mean, everyone in the stadium KNOWS Nebraska is the best, so you’re just tooting their own horn…

This is the University’s way of saying “Nebraska fans are the best.”

by golfarch on Jul 17, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Much ado about nothing

As a Buckeye fan who has only attained to the lower order in the Buckeye Cult (which means that a plurality of my t-shirts have the Block O, own a hat, a sweat-shirt and have not yet learned to reflexively respond to the OH call…unfortunately I can’t yet bring myself to say IO in places like Church during the service, Funerals, Intensive Care wards of Hospitals but hopes that proudly waving the flag in my new home of Dallas Texas will allow me to rise to the next level) I suggest you keep the signs.

We in the Big 10 know the sign means that UNL is proud of its fans. We understand how the English language works and that it allows for figurative statements.

You’ll eventually see TBDBITL in reference to tOSU marching band. That doesn’t mean they are literally the best band ever, it just means they are acknowledged as being very very very good and we are proud of them.

There are drunkards in every fan base; don’t let the fools define the fan base.

I’ll enjoy rooting for you all this year from deep in the heart of Whiney Orange.
Be sure to pass on any tips for when tOSU plays that team from Norman in 2016-17.

by sdysart on Jul 18, 2010 7:28 AM CDT reply actions  

signs

But we are the GREATEST FANS.

by bigsky101 on Jul 18, 2010 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Besides

Pat Forde criticizing us is like the French criticizing the US. Pffft!

by bigsky101 on Jul 18, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

LMAO!

That’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are!

I see the signs as a bit of a swagger, yes. Much like the ‘95 team had during the tunnel walk. There was a confidence about that team that is chilling. They were good and they knew it, but they didn’t take it too far. That pretty much describes the majority of the Nebraska fan base.

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by BaldViking on Jul 18, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

A view from out side

   This isn’t just a “self-declaration”, fans from other schools have agreed. I currently live in Orlando, FL and attend a few UCF games every year (wearing one of my ‘Husker shirts to every one of them). Following UCF’s visit to Lincoln, I ran into athletic director Steve Sloan at a game. He saw my shirt and told me how great the fans were on the teams visit. Other schools that have made the trip have echoed this feeling. Self boasting? Maybe as little, but we’re not the only ones saying it.
   After being stuck with more than my fill of SEC and ACC games and seeing those fans, I don’t care what others think.

by HuskerKnight on Jul 19, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen, Jon

If we’re purging Steve Pederson changes I’d love to get rid of the new mascots while we’re at it. If we can’t get rid of that awful Li’l Red the least we could do is go back to the old Herbie Husker. The new one has no charm or character, it just looks like a random Nebraska fan in a red hat. It’s just not a proper Herbie if he’s not a fat hick.

/oldmanmuttering

by SeanH on Jul 19, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Please know your history...

Bill Byrne was Athletic Director from 1992 to 2003.

Steve Pederson was AD from 2003 to 2007.

Lil’ Red was added as a mascot in 1993….NOT under Pederson…but under Bill Byrne.

The updates to Herbie were done prior to the 2003 football season, but whether those changes were under the guidance of Pederson or if they were a carry-over of the Byrne years is unclear.

by golfarch on Jul 19, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

I was gone in the AF for most of Byrne’s time as AD and sometimes gaps in common knowledge like that sneak up on me. I must have just assumed they were both new when I got home, one of those things where I didn’t know that I didn’t know something.

by SeanH on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Political correctness invades cfb

When is the silliness of political correctness going to stop? Hasn’t the University spotlighted one game each season to pump up the alumni and fans? Hasn’t Texas in the past been one of those teams? Last year the spotlighted team was Oklahoma. Why all the fuss this year?
 Why in the heck should we kow tow to the politically correctness madness and take down the “Greatest Fans” sign from our own stadium? The fans did not put that sign up, the University did. I agree with the comment that said this sign reflects all the fans that walk into the stadium and reminds these fans to be great fans, et el, show good sportsmanship.
Has college football become so politically correct that a University has to step on egg shells just to pump up their fans?

by Sandhill on Jul 20, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

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