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Big 12 Meets to Determine Fate - What's Going to Happen?

The power brokers in the Big 12 get together in Kansas City this week to determine the fate of the conference. The biggest question on everyone's minds - what's going to happen? 

In short, probably not a whole lot tangible that we'll know about. I can't imagine that anymore comes out of the meetings this week than a permanent move of the Big 12 championship game to Dallas, which ought to rankle Big 12 North fans a little more than they already are. 

They're sure to throw around some ideas as to how they can make a Big 12 - Pac 10 television alliance work, but that's more of a "meeting to have a meeting" approach, rather than accomplishing something (unless you're one who believes that merely going to meetings accomplishes something). 

These meetings might determine Dan Beebe's legacy as much as that of the Big 12 conference. 

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If the Big 12 is to survive long-term it had better damn well focus on making the conference better for all involved. Negotiating better contracts so that everyone gets more money isn't going to accomplish that by itself because it won't solve the problem of inequity that currently exists. Putting it another way, making a pie bigger won't keep Iowa State (or Missouri, if you're considering leverage) from feeling neglected if Texas and Nebraska are still getting larger portions. 

It's an incredibly difficult problem to solve, especially since the Big 12 has little leverage against Texas, and frankly little against Nebraska, too, if push comes to shove. The Big 12 could decide to change the rules and make punishment for leaving the conference more severe (in terms of cost), but it's a pretty safe bet that both those schools could pay whatever penalties were needed and then move on to whatever awaits. 

Going into this week, it has to be clear what a masterful job that Jim Delany has done for his conference. He's put the Big 10 in a strong position by doing nothing other than talking. He's even expanded the Big 10's realm of possibilities to cover half the nation and it has cost him nothing. He's even forced other schools (Nebraska and Missouri) to show their hand without revealing his own.

Whatever happens in Kansas City this week, Beebe had better show that he's a better negotiator than he's been so far. He's weakened his conference by first threatening his members ("Who's getting on the plane"), then abdicating his power by deferring to the Big 12 board being the body that makes decisions rather than standing by his original statements. 

Negotiating from a position of weakness results in taking what you can get. Those things typically don't work out well. If Beebe thinks he's secured something because he walks out of the Big 12 talks with a signed piece of paper that shows everyone is committed, he might do well to remember history. Maybe Beebe could mention "peace in our time" just to complete the analogy. (A Nazi reference along with college football? Well, what the hell, I've done it before.) 

 

Bottom line - if all that comes out of these meetings is a piece of paper stating that everyone is on board, the conference is doomed. DOOMED!!!!

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With the Big 10 move only a possibility,

I would hate to see anyone from the North support the permanent move of the Big 12 Championship game to Dallas. It may be a beautiful stadium with a temperature controlled environment, but it also makes a home game for almost anyone in the south. Last year there the fans were divided 3/5 Texas 2/5 NU, and that is a North team that travels EXTREMELY well. Texas fans were louder and almost every “fan shot” was of a Texas fan throwing the “hook-em horns” sign. NU fans got very little exposure and the entire atmosphere was that as a home game for Texas. A permanent move will only make this worse. Texas runs the conference and this needs to change this year!

On the other side of the coin, we at least know what we are getting with Texas…who knows how things would shake up if we would move to the Big 10. Ohio State and Michigan seem to be just as arrogant as Texas…would we just see a shift North as opposed to South? At least the South is warmer.

by VarangianGuard on Jun 1, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I've seen this on this site before and it's wrong:

Ohio State and Michigan seem to be just as arrogant as Texas

Their fans may be insufferable but as institutions and athletic departments, the Big Ten schools act as a unified body. It’s all for one and one for all and I must say it’s what has allowed the league to exist for over 100 years. I’d love to see Nebraska come on board and see what it is to exist in a conference where the concern is for the collective and not the individual.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jun 2, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here are some things to think about.

1) The Big 12 north has become weaker and weaker and outside of Kansas, there is very little light at the end of the tunnel that anyone but NU is going to be competative with the South. Iowa State belongs in the MAC, Colorado should give up on D1 football, Bill Snyder is a corpse, and Gary Pinkle rode one good recruiting class to some mild sucess. If that trend continues, then Texas may view the North as expendable and look to go somewhere else anyway.

2) If the BIG 11 expands, and goes to a Championship Game format, then more than likely the game will get a permanent home in Indainapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium or at Ford Field in Detroit. That means an indoor venue permanently. No more sleet filled games at Arrowhead. No more home field advantage for OU or UT. Easily traveld by car or plane from Omaha and Lincoln.

3) It is true that OSU and UM are arrogant. The difference in the Big 11 is that thoes two schools are kept in check by the Big 11’s commissioner’s office. Equal revenue sharing and the Big 11 network really even things out and NU would have no problem becoming an equal. And no offense to you, but NU fans from the 90’s weren’t exactly humble MOFO’s. It is only after a few lean years did NU fans even back out and really appreciate how hard it is to win the MNC. I don’t think there is anyone who watches college football that thinks anyone in the nation is as arrogant as UT fans (maybe USC fans), and is that going to get better or worse.

I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry

by NileKinnickIronman on Jun 1, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

“If the BIG 11 expands, and goes to a Championship Game format, then more than likely the game will get a permanent home in Indainapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium or at Ford Field in Detroit. That means an indoor venue permanently. No more sleet filled games at Arrowhead. No more home field advantage for OU or UT. Easily traveld by car or plane from Omaha and Lincoln.”

I don’t really understand how this would be better for Nebraska. Michigan is not going to have a “home field advantage” in Detroit? Ohio State won’t benefit from being a lot closer to Indianapolis? Lincoln is closer to Arlington than it is to Detroit and Google says it takes 8 minutes longer to drive to Arlington than Indianapolis. I’m not sure how it would be different.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The advantage has to do with the fact that Arlington will corner the market on the game and that is insanely unfair to the teams in the north. UT already gets a “neutral” game in Dallas against OU. And now Jerry Jones and the rest of the Texas contingent want to corner the market on the Big 12 Championship. Texas really doesn’t want to recoginize the rest of the Big 12 as equal partners. Not to mention that St. Louis is also a possibility for the Big 10 Championship if Mizzou comes along. I will concede that the travel to Indianapolis, St. Louis, or Detroit will be more than K.C. and equal to Arlington in two of those three, but does that mean that any one team has a marked advantage in the Big 10 any more than UT has if the game is permanently played in it’s back yard?

NU is is a good position no matter what it does. With only 15 years of history with the current league, there is no real allegience to any rivalries. The OU game is not played every year. The rest of the north is really nothing to write home about. I guess the biggest point that I am trying to convey is that OSU and UM are not some boogie men waiting in the closet to lure unsuspecting victims into the abyss. NU can hold it’s own immediately in the Big 10, form some new and exciting rivalries and possibly make some more money along the way.

I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry

by NileKinnickIronman on Jun 1, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

W/O that stupid payperview shit.

I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry

by NileKinnickIronman on Jun 1, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The advantage has to do with the fact that Arlington will corner the market on the game and that is insanely unfair to the teams in the north."

I guess I don’t understand how having the game in arlington is less fair to the north teams than having the game in Detroit would be to the “west” teams in the Big Ten. You said that the Big Ten would hold the game in a set location, while at the same time arguing that it is unfair for the Big XII to hold the game in a set location.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 2, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct.

Think about it. If Texas was experiencing a slump for say, 5-7 years…..it wouldn’t matter that the game was held in Dallas would it?

I think the reason that many people are against it, is because lately Texas has gotten the best of us, and we don’t like that. But if Nebraska starts hanging in the top ten for a few years, while Texas drops out of the top 25…then it’s a moot point, and nobody cares.

Same goes for the Big 10/11/16 whatever….if Ohio State dominates, then yes…they will have a substantial advantage in terms of fan base. The answer for Nebraska fans in each case? Beat the hell out of Texas or Ohio State or whoever during the season, so you don’t have to deal with it. And if you do end up playing them, then earn it on the field!!!! It’s pretty simple, fans don’t win the games, the players do!

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"

GO BIG RED!

by Brian Speers on Jun 2, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a couple of points

Gary Pinkel’s “moderate” success in 2007 was based on several recruiting classes, not just one. And if Nebraska fans define “moderate” success as 11-1 in the regular season and a No. 1 ranking, I’ll take “moderate” any day of the week or any season of the year.

by jschooltiger on Jun 2, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

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