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2009 Alabama - Greatest Ever Over '71 Nebraska?

 

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Don't know if y'all saw this, but Billingsley put out a list of the top all-time teams, and this year's Alabama team, that one that nearly lost to a backup quarterback and scored a meaningless touchdown at the end to make things look better than they really were, is ranked #1 over the 1971 Nebraska Cornhuskers

Someone want to explain this to me? Other than a 14-game schedule, what did they have over the '71 team? Maybe it's payback... after all, the '71 team beat Alabama 38-6 in the Orange Bowl to win their national title. You realize they only allowed eight points a game on defense, right? That the '71 team beat three of the top five teams in the nation? 

Just what did Alabama do last season that made them better than that????? 

Or maybe we don't have much right to complain, with Nebraska in the top three out of six places. 

 

 

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That's a pretty messed up list all around.

Needless to say, if I were creating a tournament in my head of all the greatest cfb teams, ’98 Tennessee would not make the Final Four…

by Bill C. on Apr 29, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

1998 Tenn?

Wow never even considered them.

Why is the 1995 team after the 1994 team? I thought it was always a debate between the 95 and 71 team for best of all time.

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by JLew on Apr 29, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy agree, there

Tee Martin, iirc? C’mon, man!

I like some of the other suggestions in this thread, too: 86 OU and 2001 Miami. Oh, and I’ve got a few friends back in State College who would have loved the opportunity to challenge y’alls 94 squad.

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by jtothep on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me, that's not even a debate...

‘95 Nebraska freaking destroyed EVERYBODY. I don’t see how you even begin to compare 2009 Alabama to that team.

What about ’86 Oklahoma (or whatever year they won the NC in the ’80s)? That was a pretty stellar team, IMO.

2009 Alabama doesn’t even get top ten in my book.

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by Go Big Rev on Apr 29, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

especially

this season, when there were no really great teams. How many times did the #1 team get knocked off after becoming #1?

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by Jon Johnston on Apr 29, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many times?

Uh… Once. Florida was #1 entire year except for a couple of weeks where Bama passed them in the AP until the SEC championship. Maybe you are thinking about 2008. Or maybe you just don’t have a clue.

by BamaBR549 on May 6, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed about '95

Seriously, the only people who even doubted that we would win it all were Florida fans…and that’s because 1.) They had to think that 2.) They aren’t too bright

How in the HELL can you watch any of that season and think that Tommie, Lawrence, and our face-eating defense aren’t the best all time? Every other list I’ve ever seen has that team #1 hands down.

Quick, name the Alabama starting QB from last year? Or how about anyone on that team other than the RB who won the Heisman?…and I can’t even think of his name right now. Ha!

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by Brian Speers on Apr 29, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

if your team can do better than 5-4 vs bowl teams this year

then maybe you’ll earn the priveldge of learning Trent Richardson, Julio Jones, and Mark Ingram’s names.

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by tempebamafan on May 6, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait wait wait wait WAIT

is this Nebraska talking trash about our accomplishments from last year?

you guys do realize we beat two teams last year that beat you… last year

last second touchdowns and goofy clock management aside, your defense that you seem to regard as so great let two teams drive the ball and beat you – where as our defense… didn’t

so yes there is a bunch of speculation in comparing teams from different eras or even seasons but – and if this sounds like I’m being obnoxious its because I’m being obnoxious (welcome to the SEC) – why don’t you take it down a notch when talking about the team that did what you couldn’t… twice

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by Wallacewade04 on May 9, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And where's that 2001 Miami team?

That’s a team that probably belongs on this list somewhere.

Hell, most people didn’t even have 2009 Alabama in their top 2 teams until after Thanksgiving.

by Husker Mike on Apr 29, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's the explanation
Also remember, these rankings do not include margin of victory, so once again, some teams you may feel were more dominate than those ranked above them simply did not have an opportunity to have that reflected in these rankings. New entries for 2009 are highlighted in red.

So it includes strength of schedule, but not margin of victory. Beating Florida 62-24 counts about the same as beating them by 3.

I think we’ve wasted more than enough time with this worthless list.

by Husker Mike on Apr 29, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

you hit the key word there....

But what else is there to do in the offseason when your other teams are pathetic. I actually kind of like the lists. I could sit and debate which Husker was best at each position for hours…

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by Brian Speers on Apr 30, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but....

what about the ’71 Oklahoma squad?

Just sayin’.

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by 96operator on Apr 30, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Words fail me

Alabama was a good team not great. They beat a team that had a FRESHMAN playing in the nc game and they are the best. I just have nothing esle to add going to bang my head on the wall to make that statement make sense.

by huskermic on May 3, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

09 Bama best ever? NOT

It’s gotta be the 14 game schedule. ‘95 Huskers beat 5 teams that FINISHED in the top ten by an average score of 49-12, highlighted by the NC title game that featured a 62-24 annihilation of #2 unbeaten and untouched Florida, with Steve “Fun n Gun” Spurrier as their coach. I read an article on the Sagarin Power ranking system and was left with the impression that it probably gave the truest comparison of all college teams. It had the ’95 Huskers #1, followed by the ’71 Huskers, then possibly a Miami team or OU in the mid 80’s. I can’t imagine what would have happened if it were possible to team this year’s Blackshirts with the ‘95 offense. It’s amazing the ‘09 D finished 1st in scoring defense, considering that the Husker O didn’t stay on the field very long.

by HuskerDave on May 5, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't put a lot of stock in these type rankings.

All of these are subjective based upon which numbers you plug in. Also, none of these can say how 1 team would fare against another team. That can be debated but never can be proven.

Also, just wanted to point out that I don’t believe this past years team was the best BAMA team ever. I am torn between ‘61 and ’79. As the OP stated, the ’71 Nebraska team allowed only 8 pts per game, well the ’61 BAMA team allowed less than 3 pts per game. I am a firm believer in run the ball and play stout defense. The ’09 team did that but I wouldn’t put them at the top of the all-time list.

Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs

by bamachine on May 6, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I tend to think of this ranking as being most accomplished team rather than best team

In the Billingsley system, you accumulate points for each win. The higher ranked the team when you beat them, the more points you get. I’m oversimplifying his methodology a little bit, but to me this is just another way of saying our ’09 team accomplished more than any team before them: 1 of 3 teams to ever go 14-0, only team to beat (10?) teams with winning records/bowl teams, handed the number 2 and 3 teams their only losses, etc.

by zeke2029 on May 6, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Put that way, it might make more sense...

…we racked up on awards and set the record for All-Americans. So if it is strictly based on accomplishment, sure, I get it.

Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs

by bamachine on May 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska 71 is great team no doubt.

I think the 95 team was great too… but to say this Bama team wasn’t great is disingenuous (or ignorant). Here is a partial list of the things they accomplished that no other team has EVER done.
Beat 11 teams with winning records (10 if you don’t count our FCS opp)
Beat 10 bowl teams
Beat two teams with 12-0 (or better) records (back to back)
Beat the Sugar, Cotton, Outback, Liberty, and Chick-fil-a bowl champions (as well as the Big 12 Champion)
Had 6 AP first team All-Americans
Beat the previous 4 national champions

Are they as dominant as Neb 71? Probably not, but when you say they are just a “good” team, it sure sounds like an insecure homer just trying to protect their own team’s legacy.

by BamaBR549 on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

wow this blog is complete garbage

by CrimsonTide229 on May 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

don't mess with our 2009 team

or Greg McElroy will turn his soulless ginger gaze upon you

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by Wallacewade04 on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

Still making excuses about us winning the NC? We would have won with or without McCoy, so that argument is complete trash. The SEC has dominated (again, DOMINATED) the Big XII for two years, and it will continue.

Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes over a list that no one really gives a shit about – even us. Who cares? Any damn body can make a list and get people all riled up. But the fact you guys are trashing our title this year – as well as our team – makes you look small for getting so irritated over said list. Come on, surely you are better than that.

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by BamaReturns07 on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

mccoy was their best tackler though, surely if he hadn't been injured Texas would of held

trent richardson and mark ingram in check. that 50 yard TD richardson blasted through the gut of the texas D would of never happened if mccoy had been on the feild.

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by tempebamafan on May 6, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not trashing your team...

We’re trashing a list that rates your 2009 team as the best ever. We don’t believe it. You don’t believe it. Why are you getting your undies bunched up about it.

by Husker Mike on May 10, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you are trashing our team

At least half of the NB posters on here have some sort of dismissive comment about the 2009 team.

by BamaBR549 on May 11, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That the ’71 team beat three of the top five teams in the nation?


Just what did Alabama do last season that made them better than that?

Not that I’m defending this list but Bama had a pretty good resume:

7 Virginia Tech (neutral site)
9 LSU
1 Florida (neutral site)
2 Texas (neutral site)

Honorable mentions:

Auburn and Tennessee who were both crowned Moral Victory Co-Champions for 2009

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by Bens4vcobra on May 6, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon !

What about -

1. 95’ Huskers
2. 09’ Bama
3. 71’ Huskers
4. 01’ Canes
5. 84’ Huskers

GBR til’ the day i died !

by Nick Beltzer on May 6, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Bama fan here...

… just wanted to point out that this is – at best – just a talking point, based on one man’s opinion. It’s all relative. Certainly, I’d say this last season was hard to beat in the Tide’s history books, and that’s saying something.

Personally, I am a member of that school that believes that with better technique and nutrition, physical fitness and therefore athleticism have made leaps and bounds over the last few decades. So while I’m not an expert on Husker history, I think a lot of teams could probably take the 71’ group.

But that doesn’t discount the 05’ squad, certainly. And we can yammer on that till we’re blue in the face (or crimson, as it were – Ha).

I would point out, though, that fluctuating #1’s is a relative indicator – it might mean no squad was that great, or it might mean that the parity and overall high level of play meant that the team that ended #1 was really, really good.

I’m a homer, so obviously I like that argument. Certainly there are questions about our QB play last season, but I don’t think there were a lot of holes other than that. We were damn good. Plus we had a Heisman winner – a trophy that said just as much about or OL as it did about the player accepting the award.

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by MontyIII on May 6, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

in all honesty

most Bama fans dotn even count the 2009 team as the best Bama team of all time. those honors are typically reserved for the 61, 66, and 79 teams.

regardless there is no doubt about the fact that the 09 Bama squad did go 10-0 vs bowl teams. no other team has even played 10 bowl teams in a single season, much less beat them all.

but most important of all in my opinion, is that y’all look to have a really strong team this year, and as favorable a schedule as you can get int he big 12. So if the Huskers play their cards right, they’ll have a chance to knock off the 2010 Crimson Tide squad and prevent any possible discussion about our pending dynasty being greater than yours in the mid 90’s. So good luck Husker fans, i really am betting on you to win the big 12, dont let me down.

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by tempebamafan on May 6, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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