Husker CornCast: Big 12 Championship Debate With Berry Tramel of the Oklahoman
by William Grubb on Dec 1, 2010 5:25 PM CST
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Print"I just think a once-solid fan base has lost its collective mind"
"We blame you (Nebraska) for loosing your class"
"Now Nebraska seems inhabited by a bunch of kooks who frighten off Beebe, an ex-NCAA investigator, and fire off uncouth e-mails like they're from Louisiana or somewhere"
Quotes taken from Berry Tramel's article
Controversial writer Berry Tramel of The Oklahoman joins hosts Will Grubb and Jake Sorensen to talk about the Big 12's fractured relationship with the Huskers. The hosts debate with Tramel about if the Huskers have been treated fairly or not in the past year, and what this game means to both sides, as well as the conference's future. After a long disagreement, they finally shift their focus to the actual championship game on Saturday, and predict who will win the game and go to a BCS bowl.
As always, you can reach the CornCast's 24/7 phone line at 571-306-CORN, or email the guys at huskercorncast@gmail.com, to rant, ask a question, or just talk football.
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Barry is entitled to say what he wants to say.
Let’s be honest, every fan base has it’s saints, fratboyz, fair-weather fans, great people, average joes and all-around douche bags. Even Nebraska. If true, it’s unfortunate that people are sending Dan Beebe these emails. I guess our fan base has been influenced by Larry the Cable Guy a little to much. When you read about Niles Paul getting heckled after the Texas game and having to shut down his facebook because of all the crap people posted, you know there are some spoiled D-bags around.
Apparently, no other school has ever complained about bias’ or penalties or officiating. Wrong. Everyone complains when they lose. Fan bases that are used to winning tend to complain more than schools with average teams because they expect wins.
Barry Tramel is allowed his opinion of us as we are allowed to have one of him. I would guess that the Oklahoma fan base looks pretty similar to ours. Nebraska fans bitch, complain and look for excuses when we lose. I’m guessing the Oklahoma fan base does the same thing. You can go to any of these SBNation fan sites and see people complaining after their team loses. The circumstances for Nebraska are very unique this year with the Big 10 issue at hand and there are hurt feelings around the conference. Sportswriters are jumping on Nebraska whenever they get the chance.
It is
to bad that a few crazy fans have tarnished our fan base, the good ones can’t control that. Tramel has chosen to forget about Bob and Mike on the sidelines when they were trying to get a dismal program suffering from the past sins of Switzer and Company, off life support. They were not exactly Simon &Garfunkel strumming sweet music and making every one happy. Bob has sinced mellowed and Bo will too. But, as Bob has simmered down so has OU’s success on the biggest stages. I personally like Bo’s passion and fire, and yes at times it does make him look like a mad dictator, but his players play hard every play and never give up. As for the going after refs as time goes on he will learn how to deal with them better. And the fact remains in the A&M game those refs did a HORRIBLE job. Much of the same way the refs did in that OU loss to Oregon afew years back. Do you remember that Berry????
Berry Tramel is controversial?
I thought you had to matter to be controversial?
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
This is his position and it means....
nothing. Whether or not our distaste from the Big 12 comes from real conspiracy type actions this season or we just psychologically blame our own misfortune on the Big 12, we are still great fans. I went to two games this year in Lincoln and the treatment of opposing teams didn’t change in my opinion. We were sitting very close to the Texas section and both crowds were very pleasant to each other. Missouri fans surprised me this year around as well. Usually they are more vocal in Lincoln but this year they came in and showed their team spirit but kept it positive. Maybe they were just as uneasy about the game as many Husker fans were but still a very classy sign in my opinion.
The negative reputation we are getting is due to the online backlash Husker fans are showing on message boards and apparent emails sent to administrators and who ever else. I’ll tell you one thing, if Dan Beebe himself came to Lincoln on game day and began talking to Husker fans at a tailgate, they would still offer him a beer or something to eat knowing damn well who he is. It’s just our style. No matter the jersey or shirt you wear or the logo on your hat, we treat everyone the same. There are a few who disrespect opposing fans and teams but don’t let them speak for the whole.
So I say let the talking heads talk. They’re goal is to sell publications or get web hits and unfortunately we have to be their targets for now. I don’t doubt Beebe and others have received threatening emails and who ever did send them should be punished accordingly. I judge a person by their actions and not the words they sling through such an informal communication medium like email. Don’t let them get you down Nebraska fans. Keep doing what you do and show your support for both our team and the other. I hope we kill Oklahoma on the scoreboard but are still lucky enough to buy one of their fans a beer and chat about the good ole days. GO BIG RED!!!
Someone look up the articles about
the OU and Oregon game a few years ago. The game with the onsude kick. Then tell me OU has never complained, or gone overboard about refs in s game.
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by JLew on Dec 1, 2010 7:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Speaking of lousy journalism...
Anyone catch the article from David Nubben, an ESPN sports beat-off writer?
The title of the article was something to the effect of “Big12, product of rising middle-class” or something like that.
Anyway, he goes on to insinuate that this championship game is basically meaningless because the big12 sucks this year. What he was really trying to say without having to actually say it was that Texas sucks this year and unless Nebraska leaves teh conference beating Texas, they’ve accomplished nothing.
Anyway, I found it really insulting that even prior to the game he would declare it basically meaningless.
If anyone has a link to the article it would be appreciated. I tried to find it, but it seems he thought better of it and took it down, maybe.
Ubben's a dork...
But, I think the point of his column is to say that while Nebraska could leave with the trophy, the Big XII will still have OSU, Mizzou, Texas Tech, et al to compete for it in the future. The Big XII championship won’t come down to the RRSO every year.
I don’t think it was a slight to Nebraska.
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by Screwface on Dec 1, 2010 9:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought
that Berry Tramel had a good perspective on whether the Big 12’s reputation would be diminished when Nebraska left, saying that if Nebraska does well in the Big Ten that the Big 12 can always say that the Big Ten had to rob the Big 12 to get that good.
Different perspective. Entirely true? That depends on what the future holds for Nebraska, I guess…..
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Maybe I'm off base but
it seemed like a pretty reasonable article to me. He pointed out that this year the BXII has more teams doing well than usual, and therefore losing Nebraska will have less effect on the league. I didn’t see where he said (or even implied) the championship game will be meaningless.
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very good interview
on the podcast – very well done…..
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Has anyone brought up the fact that its really easy to pretend to be someone else on the internet?
I’m not denying that the lunatic fringe of the Husker fan base may have been responsible for some of the inappropriate e-mails, phone calls and messages received by the Big 12 but I haven’t seen anyone even mention the possibility that some of them were probably frauds.
I’d be willing to bet that both the number and severity of the threats received increased dramatically once the media started spreading the story.
It isn’t exactly difficult to create a new e-mail account without providing any personal information. (For example: http://www.google.com/profiles/bigtenhuskerfan )
I thought about pretenders out there.
But I also thought that would be the easiest defense and the easiest to be rebutted.
by huskerforlife15 on Dec 1, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Good point, Dr. Shrodes
If that’s who you really are. :)
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Brian Christopherson...
From the LJS thinks the entire thing was premeditated. He said it’s next to impossible to get ahold of Beebe with a single phone call, let alone at 7pm on the Friday after thanksgiving. Plus he said it seemed as though Beebe had a printout of why he wasn’t there, comlete with talking points.
But the funniest thing? BC hasn’t been able to get ahold of Beebe since Friday night, confirming that Beebe wanted this to get out without any follow-up. He’s never easily-accessible to the media, but for some reason at a very odd time, he was feeling rather chatty.
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by Screwface on Dec 1, 2010 9:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I saw Christopherson's comments also
last night on Big Red Wrapup on NET. And that’s it…game, set, match on the entire Beebe topic.
I’m officially done with it all…With Beebe, the refs, the “threats”. I’m looking forward to a hard-fought, cleanly played game with our Sooner brothers. The only thing that might come close to setting me off again is if they drag all of this crap up repeatedly during Saturday night’s telecast.
Then I will be throwing the nearest hard object through my TV screen. What the hell…I’ve been wanting a new hi-def set anyway!
Interesting...
because in the podcast it sounds like Trammel had no problem getting a hold of Beebe to ask him about this situation, and I’m paraphrasing, that Beebe was less concerned about getting hurt and more just wanted to avoid an uncomfortable situation. Seems to me like we all have jobs that aren’t exactly comfortable all the time. If I were an AD at another B12 school, I be a little perterbed that Beebe is being paid to do a job, a job that includes showing up to hand out trophies to victors, and he skipped out because the though he would get a cold reception from TO & Pearlman.
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Or just send somebody else.
Seriously, the incompetence at that office is mind-boggling. Ed Stewart is a beloved Husker who heroically played through a pulled quad/hammy in the ‘95 Orange Bowl. You think the crowd at Memorial wouldn’t have cheered like crazy if the Big 12 had sent him to present the trophy?
I’m so tired of the ass-hattery from Big 12 HQ – just seven more months or so and we’re done with this BS for good.
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Martinez leaving NU after the season
a friend sent me this re: T-mart transferring at the end of the season. And that he was actually suspended last game.
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Two or three different sources all report a general version of events as this:
1. Bo’s meltdown against Taylor on Saturday night. All agree it was over a cell phone. When Taylor was injured, he was taken to the A&M locker room because that is where the X-Ray facility was. After being X-rayed and cleared, rather than hurry and return to the team, Taylor left the medical staff to walk all the way over to NU’s locker room, retrieve his cell phone, and have a conversation with his father. All told, Taylor and his dad waste 10-20 minutes. Bo is pissed on two different levels. One, he needs the kid back in the game and he’s wasting time. Two, Bo has a very explicit rule about cell phones in the locker room and on the field. Evidently, Taylor has been busted for this kind of thing in the past.
Taylor comes back out on the field and the medical staff informs Bo of Taylor’s activities. You saw the conversation that ensued on national TV. Not pleasant. There are several ‘lip-reader’ interpretations out there. All have to do with a phone call.
2. Upon returning to Lincoln, the next day finds Taylor’s dad having shown up on campus. He’s pissed. This has happened with Taylor’s dad in the past and Bo pretty much hates dealing with it. They have a meeting with Taylor, Taylor’s dad, and Pelini. Pelini explains that Taylor has violated team rules and will be suspended for a game. Evidently, Taylor’s dad completely loses it, stating that it is their intention to transfer from NU to somewhere else and that calling it a ‘suspension’ will keep teams from wanting his son. Bo says, “Fine, call it whatever you want, but your son isn’t playing on Friday.” The meeting doesn’t end well. Rumors swirl like crazy Sunday night that Taylor has quit the team. Technically, he hasn’t, but there is enough truth in there to know that something has happened.
3. The next day, Taylor shows up with a walking boot on his foot to practice. Him and his dad want him to wear the boot so that people will believe that he is not playing this week because of his ankle, not because he’s ‘suspended’. As a ‘screw you’ to Pelini, however, Taylor wears the boot on the wrong foot, causing all sorts of confusion and strange questions from the press. Taylor, in his odd way, thinks this is all some kind of funny joke.
As this little stunt makes its way through the team, former players such as Phillip Dillard start piping up via Twitter and Facebook, describing their thoughts on Taylor and his established history of stunts like this, neglect for team rules, his over-obsessive daddy, etc. Phil calls on the Unity Council to dismiss Martinez from the team. Speculation is that current players are the source of Dillard’s anger.
What the ‘inside’ people are reporting is this: Taylor Martinez is gone after this season. All agree this is the case. He may not play another game for Nebraska. Taylor wants to be gone, Taylor’s dad wants him gone, and Bo and the rest of the team want him gone. Everyone within the program, from the coaches to the players, are tired of his prima donna attitude, helicopter dad, and general lack of respect for all things Nebraska. The ‘suspension’ will never be publicized as such – but that’s what it is according to others.
If that is all true, I could care less if he leaves the team.
However, I’m pretty sure those “boots” are foot specific, meaning you don’t just accidentally put it on the wrong foot, even so, he could be that stupid.
Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about those boots.
The article does say "As a ‘screw you’ to Pelini, however, Taylor wears the boot on the wrong foot, causing all sorts of confusion and strange questions from the press. Taylor, in his odd way, thinks this is all some kind of funny joke.
I think this is the reason he had turf toe. He probally does not have anything wrong with him but they had to make up a “reason” the boot was on the wrong foot.
Who knows
I can’t see Pelini playing these games with a 20yr old kid, though.
By not openly explaining to the press that Martinez inherently breaks the rules, treats the players, staff, and coaches as some sort of a subservient class, it makes him (Pelini) look as if he was in the wrong on the sideline. (See previous comments from myself stating how out-of-line Pelini was in his berating of Martinez)
On top of that, playing his little game with the boot, fuck that. I’m not buying it. That kind of crap is grounds for dismissal from the team.
I don’t doubt Martinez leaves the team, you can just tell by the way he interacts (or doesn’t) with his teammates that he’s a daddy’s boy. I played with them before, we all have and regardless of their talent, they are toxic to their respective teams. But, I also am not buying all the details above.
Tramel made some good points
But in an effort to stand behind is article, I think he did a good job of dismissing some of the concerns husker fans have had with the league.
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