Big 12 Officials Scared to Enter Lincoln?
by huskerforlife15 on Nov 26, 2010 9:57 PM CST
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According to David Uben from ESPN, the Big 12 would not send officials to LIncoln for today's game to hand off the Big 12 North championship trophy due to "safety concerns". I'm not sure how much truth there is to this but I am quickly becoming a believer of this conspiracy theory that Dan Beebe is against the Huskers due to their move to the Big Ten. I've tried to stay level headed on this theory and dismiss the talk but everything is adding up to equal a distaste for my beloved Huskers by the Big 12.
I don't know if this has been a problem from the inception of the Big 12 or if the 2009 Big 12 championship game was the flame to light this fire but I can't see Nebraska fans going so far as to sending threatening emails to the Big 12 offices. I know we may sometimes bitch and complain and get up in arms out of frustration when the Huskers aren't playing so well but sending threatening emails is a whole other ball game. I really think this is a jab from the Big 12 to tarnish our conference achievement today.
No matter their intention, I hope Pelini can use this some how as a motivator for next week's game in Dallas. I have my fears of a rematch against Oklahoma State but no matter who makes it to the game next week to play Nebraska, I think we'll be ready for them.
Any thoughts?
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/22143/nebraska-forced-to-wait-for-big-12-north-trophy
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From The Lincoln Journal-Star:
A few of paragraphs I’d like to point out:
“A lot of them, we can read their numbers. One person was silly enough to put in an e-mail, ‘Are you dead yet? You should be packing a gun.’”
Of the voice mails to (Dan) Beebe, one said, “If I see you on the street, I’m going to hit you in the head with a bottle and stab you,” he said. “Somebody posted something on my daughter’s Facebook that was derogatory. Somebody else called and acted like they were impersonating an officer, and said that they have my daughter, and she was unresponsive and they had to take her to the hospital.”
Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne said he wished not to respond to Beebe’s comments.
“They got whatever they got, and they decided not to come,” Osborne said. “That’s OK. I don’t have anything to say about that.”
Is Osborne bothered by Nebraska fans sending the messages that Beebe described?
“I’ve said all I’m going to say. I’ve had all kinds of e-mails over the years. It’s not a problem.”
Two points to ponder:
A: Beebe’s trying to get Tom Osborne to do his dirty work for him. He probably thought Osborne would shake a “shame on you” finger at us “unruly” Husker fans. Tom didn’t take the bait.
B: Read between the lines. With his (non) comments, Tom called B.S. on Beebe’s accusations.
"This is gonna cause more confusion than a mouse at a burlesque show." --Foghorn Leghorn
I Forgot To Post The Link
http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/article_cb675696-f9d2-11df-9b4b-001cc4c03286.html
"This is gonna cause more confusion than a mouse at a burlesque show." --Foghorn Leghorn
Interesting Article
Thanks for posting that article. I hadn’t read it yet and am a bit shocked at the accusations. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be dumb founded if he received a few negative emails or voicemails after the A&M game. There will always be radicals out there but I imagine the majority of the emails were sharing their displeasure with the officiating but I can’t see the Husker fan base sending threatening messages. It’s hard enough trying to get a lot of the fan base to stand up and make some noise during the game. Maybe some pissed off college kids or spectators with a few too many drinks in them reacted negatively with crude messages but I imagine these are isolated incidents every school produces. Nothing to fear for you safety over. The decision to not come to Lincoln was ridiculous. He should have made something up like they missed the flight or TSA sexually assaulted them.
by huskerforlife15 on Nov 27, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Another money quote
Of the Texas A&M game, when Nebraska was flagged 16 times and Texas A&M two, Beebe said he had an outside consultant — a former NFL official — review the game.
“He thought it was a fairly officiated game,” Beebe said, declining to name the person.
Sources say it was Beebe’s mother.
Tom Osborn -
one classy guy. This DOES reflect on him. He could say “this kind of conduct from NU fans is not tolerable.” He could have made clear after the 1 second last year that BigRed was the beneficiary of a very similar call in the 1993 Orange Bowl; but, no, he let the one second thing fester and countenanced Pelini’s inexcuable outbursts after the game. See:
http://omaha.com/article/20091205/BIGRED/712069849/-1/bigred?loc=interstitialskip
Osborn, Perlman, and Pelini, and HuskerNation in general, have insulted Beebe and the remaining members of the Big12 for almost a year now. If I’m Beebe, I would go no where near Lincoln, NE. I am surprised this whole thing has not devolved to violence. I know that here in KC I avoid anyone wearing red in the bars because my blood boils over the conduct of HuskerNation (and your leaders). Just another perspective. Have fun next week in Texas – you know, that state you have accused of being corrupt for the last year.
oh hail the Purple and White
39 should hook up with Jerrod- Eddie from A&M
oh hail the Purple and White
by Furnace76 on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, absolutely ridiculous
If he had actual reason to be scared, then every single president and famous person would never go out in public. Idiot.
WEAK - Presidents have a billion dollar aparatus to protect them
oh hail the Purple and White
Wow
Well Dan Beebe is a total chickenshit. How are you going to deny these guys an honor that they’ve earned and deserve?
At least we aren't the only ones complaining about officiating
Boise St is raging about officials on their blog.
Leadership
Dan Beebe’s decision may reflect a leadership style that Tom Osborne and Harvey Perlman had become accustomed to, and uncomfortable with. “Lack of” is a leadership style.
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."
At least Pete Rozelle
had the cajones to present the Lombardi Trophy to Al Davis, in1983, while Davis was successfully suing the NFL. That had to hurt but he “manned up”, something Beebe & friends could not do.
Be miserable or motivate yourself. What's to be done it's always YOUR choice.
Hutch-Tech Class of '76 Buffalo born & bred. Bills fan since 1968.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Nov 27, 2010 6:05 AM CST reply actions
Maybe
there’s a psycho or two who would send a threatening email. Hell, I sent him an email telling him he expessing my distaste after the A&M game, but I’d never threaten anybody. They should have sent a rep. Feeling uncomfortable Dan? A bit guilty maybe?
Lol
we need more of these. And I’m tired of rec’ing every post of yours.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 27, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Guilty,
yes. For not suspending the two Pelini bozos for 2 games. An assault on a cameraman. Bo’ antics. Will you all defend anything and everything?
oh hail the Purple and White
you are going to suspend Bo for yelling at officials.
really? Yelling in a manner that Saban does from time to time. That is sensible? That seriously makes sense in your world?
I think the best answer.
Mr. Beebe could have atleast used was he didn’t want to prematurely present the trophy since techincally the north hasn’t been “won”. Yes, Nebraska sealed the deal with a win over Colorado to make it to the championship game, but Kansas and Missiouri stil have to play, and if Missiouri wins today that would make them co-champs. I think people would have bought that story much easier than the whole safety concern story.
As davieried pointed out earlier, if Nebraska was truely an unsafe place to be, why would any famous person, president, or politician (especially democrat) for that matter ever come here?
But haters, gonna hate. And this will bring the husker haters out of the woodwork by 1000’s saying how bad of a fanbase we really are. So I guess for people who wanted the trolls to come on by, they probably will saying how we are showing our true colors by bashing and threating Big 12 officals. Better be ready to put a little over time in on this one.
LTC Kilgore: How you feelin' Jimmy?
Door Gunner: Like a mean motherfucker sir!
by Look_A_Red_Squirrel on Nov 27, 2010 7:02 AM CST reply actions
Im so glad we are leaving to the big 10. Big 12 was such a great thing and now its just an ugly beast. Now that were gone I think they might as well change its name to the texas confrence.
And we are very happy you are leaving
can’t happen fast enough
oh hail the Purple and White
KSU fans might be the most depressing fan base.
They try so hard to make everyone their rivals when in fact no one cares much about them.
by George W. Beadle on Nov 27, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
George, and what does your comment have to do with huskerNation death threats?
and Tom Osborn’s conduct in saying "no big deal?’
oh hail the Purple and White
It has to do with you over on this forum
professing your joy at Nebraska leaving but yet at the same time, in obvious contradiction to your statement, complaining about numerous Nebraska-related “issues.” If Nebraska leaving “can’t happen fast enough,” why not let it happen sooner by ignoring us?
Nebraska and KSU no longer are forced to interact on the football field, which should overjoy you, the actions of the coaches, players, or officials in a Nebraska game have no direct impact on KSU, why do you continue to care? If you insist on continuing to enlighten us with such novel and intelligent insight, couldn’t you at least drop the hypocrisy of being happy to be rid of us?
by George W. Beadle on Nov 27, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I see you did not attempt to defend the indefensible, i.e. Tom
Osborn (his condoning of death threats)and the Pelini brothers violence against credentialed press. The “issues” do not solely relate to Nebraska. The issues relate to MY conference, and BigRed’s disgusting year long slander fest is disgusting. When the mighty Nubs are as disgusting as you have been for the last year, PARDON ME for pointing it out.
oh hail the Purple and White
Angry troll haz anger.
Would you like a hug, angry troll?
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
F76 is in no way a "troll."
If what he posted here (basically just an opinion in contradiction to the Shucker Nation) is considered “trolling” by CN, you REALLY need to reexamine what you call “trolling.”
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 29, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not really a troll, no,
but obsessed over Nebraska, yes. All of this really does not affect KSU at all, but yet we have had plenty of input from Wildcat fans while simultaneously professing a disinterest in Nebraska. I don’t think the intent is to troll, I think it is just being obsessed and contradictory.
by George W. Beadle on Nov 29, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
See below for my view on claiming that F76 (and others) are "obsessed."
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
My definition of trolls.
And I’ll try to keep it short and mono-syllabic so you can understand.
1. “We are very happy you are leaving”
This makes it obvious you’re only here to bait Husker fans. If you’re here for conversation, that’s great – and you’re certainly allowed to have a contrary opinion. I do it quite often on other teams’ boards. What makes it trolling is the intent to insult – that changes things.
2. I see you did not attempt to defend the indefensible, i.e. TomHave some facts when you come throwing shit like this. Show me one instance where Tom Osborne said death threats are okay. Can’t do it? Then shut the hell up. You think TO, Bill Snyder, Frank Solich, Ron Prince, Bob Stoops or any other highly-placed official or coach in the Big 12 hasn’t had their share of the crazies? It’s never okay – but it’s also never okay to publicize it in the way the Big 12 office chose to do. Tom Osborne knew the Big 12 wasn’t coming at least two days before the game, and you never heard a peep from Nebraska about it. The Big 12 staff made the threats public – and no matter what their reasons might have been, their action can only end up hurting the reputation of the 99.999% of Nebraska fans who might think Dan Beebe is an asshole but would never in a million years think that makes any kind of threat okay.
Osborn (his condoning of death threats)and the Pelini brothers violence against credentialed press. The "issues" do not solely relate to Nebraska. The issues relate to MY conference, and BigRed’s disgusting year long slander fest is disgusting. When the mighty Nubs are as disgusting as you have been for the last year, PARDON ME for pointing it out.
As to Carl Pelini’s behavior, yeah – it was rude, inappropriate and worthy of attention. Possibly criminal if the cameraman had chosen to press charges, which he could have done. Carl made a public apology, the cameraman seems to have accepted it, and if the people involved are okay with it, it’s time to move on in my book.
I’ll admit I’m more likely to call people out as trolls than others here. I’m just another commenter, but this is OUR site and YOU came HERE to talk shit about Nebraska. “Nubs,” “Shucker Nation,” and the continuing refusal to adopt anything resembling proper spelling or grammar makes one a troll, in my opinion. You don’t like it? Fine – keep up the good work, troll.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
by Go Big Rev on Nov 30, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You mean you're much more likely to mislabel people as trolls.
You would be surprised how many K-State fans (myself included) had a lot of respect for Nebraska before the way these last 12 months have unfolded. Heck, I even used to cheer for Nebraska as my second-favorite Big 12 team. And, until Coach Snyder came along, Osborne was my favorite football coach. That started to change after last year’s Big 12 championship game, when it seemed like all of Nebraska went nuts over 0:01 that was correctly put back on the clock. But it didn’t FULLY change until the way the last six months or so have unfolded, culminating with the following quote from Osborne:
They got whatever they got, and they decided not to come. That’s OK. I don’t have anything to say about that.
…
I’ve said all I’m going to say. I’ve had all kinds of e-mails over the years. It’s not a problem.
The emphasis above are mine, but they clearly display how cavalier Osborne was about the 2000+ threats that had been sent to Beebe, other Big 12 officials, and even Beebe’s daughter’s Facebook page. If you want to call me a “troll” for pointing out these facts, that’s fine. If you want to call me “obsessed”, that’s fine, too. But it’s not “obsession”, GBR, it’s disappointment and disgust. I’ll just leave it at that.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Ha!
This –
You mean you’re much more likely to mislabel people as trolls.
Coming from the guy who banned me in the week following the K-State/Nebraska game for simply saying Snyder needs to go because he never wins the big game, in a completely matter-of-fact way without even the slightest antagonistic undertone. (essentially)
You are an expert.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I did not ban you.
You’re not banned over at BOTC. I warned you, with the following text:
All you’re doing is scrumming for a fight. I’m not giving it to you. Stop now with the nonsense about Snyder and mediocrity and all of that. It seriously DOES look like trolling when you keep it up after being asked to stop.
I also deleted two of your comments, which were hateful, and simply looking to start a fight. I did so only after politely asking you to discontinue stirring the pot, and never banned you at all. Your comments, which you claim had no “antagonistic undertone” were flagged by multiple members as trolling for a fight.
Now, you HAVE been banned at Auburn’s blog — and for good reason. As much as I don’t like the Tigers, wishing an injury on someone is NOT cool.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Remember?
You mean the two comments you lied about and were openly caught lying about? They never existed, you were just sour because I was making some very relevant points, my Huskers just mopped the floor with your Wildcats and you didn’t want to hear it.
Second, I wished a karma injury on Fairley, you know, the Auburn defensive lineman who tried, but failed, to injure Georgia’s QB the entire game?
So, keep trolling and making up lies from the safety of the plausible deniability perch you’re sitting on.
And yes, you WERE caught lying about those comments, so don’t even try to go there.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
The proof is in your history, HH.
It notes that I deleted two of your comments. It also shows that I left you a perfectly reasonable message as to why. I didn’t lie about anything, so saying I was “caught” doing so is, well, just odd. But whatever. You do what you do, and you are write what you write. I won’t stay in front of THIS bus.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Deleting two comments is not what I'm questioning
It was the content of the comments which you were OPENLY caught lying about.
You were just looking for a reason to boot me because your wildcats were stomped, and two, deep down you knew I was right saying Snyder’s record is the epitome of mediocrety.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
The comments were what they were. I didn’t “lie” about them at all. I just deleted them when a few of our members raised a concern, and then sent you a very reasonable warning. You seem to be a very angry guy, though, so I’m going to leave you to that anger.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
yep, angry like a big green dinosaur
…cough cough….liar…cough
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
You can question my integrity all you want, Herpie.
Anyone with sufficient permissions on SBNation can see that the warning message I left you was as I posted it above, and that I deleted two of your comments that seemed to me to simply be scrumming for a fight. Feel free to carry on with your accusations that I’m lying, but we both know I’m not.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yet
You can’t seem to re-produce my actual comments!! (without editing permissions, of course)
And we both know you are.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
After comments are deleted, they are gone for good -- at least at my permissions level.
But I’ll make a mental note to myself that I should just hide your posts when you are scrumming for a fight, so I can adequately prove to you later that you were really doing so. I mean, I even got private emails from people asking me to deal with you, but like I said, whatever.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Lmao.
Now you’re getting private e-mails. You are so full of poop, K.Scott.
I remember the conversations vividly, and I was respectful the entire time, unless you consider a conflict of opinion insulting.
Now really, move on, we’re running out of room to argue.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't ban/warn/delete lightly.
You wrote what you wrote, and you know it. As for conflicting opinions, there’s a whole thread still up on that post that was nothing BUT conflicting opinions. I was discussing some things with one of your fellow UNL fans, Chris Wilson, and you were in there claiming that Snyder wasn’t the right guy to turn around KSU. We had a debate there, that is not deleted. I left that entire thread intact, except for two posts where you were blatantly scrumming for a fight. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Are we really still arguing this?
I don’t doubt you found my comments argumentative, perceptions are often jaded once an interest near and dear to your heart crashes and burns.
But I think you are greatly embellishing the content of the comments to save your own credibility, which is greatly undermined with you “scrumming for a fight” above.
Let’s bury the hatchet, or as they say in Manhattan, KS, let’s lose another football game.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
"sigh" Dude, seriously.
One is not a troll because one has a contrary opinion.
One is not a troll because one is a fan of another team.
One is a troll because one seems determined to just piss people off. If you want to talk shit about the Huskers, why not do it over at Bring on the Cats?
Sending death threats and messing with family members pages is categorically, without exception under any and all circumstances not okay. We’ve established that. I think you’re putting your own spin on what Osborne said: after living in the glare of the public eye for most of the last 40 years, you think Osborne’s family hasn’t put up with shit like this before, for a hell of a lot longer than Dan Beebe? The fact that it’s inexcusable doesn’t excuse him from doing his freaking job and sending someone less polarizing to get the job done.
Again, I’m only speaking for myself, but coming to another team’s site to poormouth a respected coach and call out its fanbase seems like trollish behavior to me. I’m all for fans of other teams disagreeing, but show some respect and you’ll get a lot more yourself.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
I attempted to explain WHY folks like F76 and myself feel the way we do.
Osborne was one of my favorite people.
As for showing respect, I’ve tried to do that here. I’ve also tried to explain why I feel that labeling guys like F76 (and now myself) as “trolls” is a mistake. If we’re at loggerheads as far as understanding the other person’s perspective, though, perhaps it’s just best to agree to disagree, no?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
"Nubs" and "Shucker Nation" don't seem very respectful to me.
The latter was yours. On a Nebraska site. If I got to BOTC and start throwing insults about the “Mildcats,” what do you think is going to happen?
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Well,
all KSU fans are classy and would never celebrate the anniversary of Brook Berringer’s death, so probably nothing.
by George W. Beadle on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I have never (and will never) post on goEMAW.com.
That thread makes me almost physically ill. There is a wide difference between using a play on words to refer to a team name (Mildcats, Nubs, Shuckers, Kittens, whatever) and what was done in that thread. I can’t apologize for people whom I don’t even know, but if I could I would. And know that most Cat fans find that kind of BS repugnant.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just as most Husker fans find making threats repugnant...?
by George W. Beadle on Dec 1, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'll just point out that the comment directly below us says simply,
“Dan Beebe is a pansy. I’ll leave it at that.”
Does that — or the fact that a majority of the commenters on this post haven’t taken the chance to condemn such despicable actions — mean that a majority of Husker fans are so cavalier? No. But I think that the hatred that so many of you guys have fostered for all things Big 12 (starting with the 0:01 from last December) has clouded the judgment of people who I am sure are fine folks otherwise.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't realize that
“Dan Beebe is a pansy” constituted a threat?
I also hope that you have taken your self-righteous act to the Boise State boards where I am certain all of their fans can also be accurately represented by the few who sent messages to their kicker wishing him death.
by George W. Beadle on Dec 1, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean that "Dan Beebe is a pansy" was a threat.
I meant that it was a really inappropriate response to the topic of this thread: the threats leveled at Big 12 officials, Beebe, and Beebe’s daughter.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Alright,
you win. I admit that all Nebraska fans wish that Dan Beebe and his whole family suffer a slow, painful death because a few (that is the updated number, by the way) morons can’t separate football from real issues but all KSU fans are excellent and there is no rash generalization that can be made about them from the actions of a few posters on a KSU forum.
Seriously, just because your prose and rhetoric are better than most that argue here does not diminish the fact that your arguments lack any real value. Posting the same, slightly reworded, statement over and over again without any acknowledgement of the prior response while mixing in veiled insults is not a way to convince us that we are a vile, terrible fan base. In fact, it sounds like trolling, but you have vehemently defended the fact that you are not a troll, so I’m yet again confused.
by George W. Beadle on Dec 1, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are free to think whatever you like about me.
I never said that every fan supports such threats. I’ve just been rather disappointed with MANY things about both Nebraska (the school) and Nebraska (the fan base) over the last year or so. The cavalier way that people (good people, who wouldn’t actually MAKE the threats) dismiss the threats is just one straw that was loaded upon that camel’s back.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Any response of yours
after GWBeadle’s comment above is just white noise. You were kind of owned there.
Mr. Bailey,
I looked you up on the BOTC site, and both you and someone who goes by the name EMAW are listed as authors on the BOTC site. Are EMAW and goEMAW.com unrelated?
Secondly, why the hell have you parked youself on our site for the last few days? We’re not playing you team Saturday, so please go home.
The user named EMAW hasn't been active since I started there.
I don’t know him at all, or what websites he is or is not affiliated with. And “EMAW” is simply an acronym for our “Every Man A Wildcat” slogan, so simply having that as a part of a username doesn’t mean one is affiliated with goEMAW. I don’t post there, and after seeing that disgusting thread above, I never will.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Kindly
Go the BOTC site, scroll aaallll the way to the bottom, and under authors you will see EMAW and your name.
Are you trying to tell me that EMAW is not one person? That it simply represents EVERYONE who authors a post on BOTC?
Seriously?
EMAW is the guy’s username. One person. However, the acronym “EMAW” is used by a lot of KSU fans to simply shorten our saying, “Every Man A Wildcat.” So, it doesn’t follow that because the guy at BOTC chose “EMAW” as his username that he’s affiliated with goEMAW. He might be. I don’t know him at all. But the acronym (not the username, the ACRONYM) “EMAW” is a commonly used one in the cat fanbase, so no conclusions can be drawn from that guy choosing it as his username. Why is this so hard to understand?
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
It's kind of like
If there were a Husker message board called GBR and a Corn Nation user named GBR. And many of us already use the acronym GBR in our posts. All different things. Writing “GBR!” in a post would not be an endorsement of GBR the (hypothetical) site or (hypothetical) person, and really would have nothing to do with them. Same thing here with EMAW.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 1, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Exactly.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 2, 2010 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Also, with regards to your "secondly",
I’ve posted 32 comments TOTAL on CN. I’ve posted 1800+ on BOTC. I’ve been here the last two days because I’ve been having some conversations. Why do you care?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
No...
…because even if 1900 of them say “your mama wears army boots”, there still will be some that are pretty vile and make Husker fans look petty.
Yeah that's probably still true
It’s really really sad, unfortunate, and wrong that the 0.01% of fans couldn’t control themselves and resorted to threats and officer impersonation.
Well at least we have one good thing going for us next week
What should help is the choice of officials. Osborne said Walt Anderson, the Big 12’s supervisor of officials, told him the crew who did the Nebraska-Texas A&M game would not be doing the Big 12 championship game.
"We do get an all-star group of officials, No. 1 at their positions,‘’ Osborne said. "These will be supposedly the No. 1-rated referees. It won’t be the same group (as A&M). As far as I’m concerned, that sounds good. We’re pleased.
"My understanding is that the referee will be from a different crew and we haven’t had that crew. And there will be four members of this person’s crew there, and they’re all rated very high. I don’t think we’ve had that crew this year.’’
My take on the whole trophy issue...
Nebraska doesn’t need a division championship trophy. The 2006 presentation the field was a forced and phony Steve Pederson production. That is not what Nebraska is all about.
That being said, Tom Shatel nailed it today. This was yet another example of what the Big XII really thinks. If security was really the issue, they could have sent Ed Stewart (assistant Big XII commissioner) to handle the chore. Think any Husker fans are going to do anything to him?
There is only proper response… win next Saturday night.
Tom said it all, without saying much at all.
After 25+ years as a coach, AND several years as a politician, you don’t think he’s received negative (and probably the occasional threatening) letter/e-mail/communication? And he’s still here. And he never truly left the state (though he did think about it years ago…but who could leave us for CU?). And knowing what kind of fans we are, he came back to the university to be AD.
This is a total cop out. Were there a couple of threats, probably. Every fan base has a few nutballs, even ours. But that’s no excuse, and could have been handled.
Granted
it does seem a little classless of the Big XII not to send someone to Lincoln but I don’t care. At first I was taken back a little but now I am glad Beebe and his buddies did’t show up. If we win the Big XII maybe we will get lucky enough he would be there either.
Is it not funny if Mr. Beebe was so afraid for his life and worried about Husker fans trying to do him bodily harm. then why is the FBI not involved? I did notice that he did not send the same Officials to call the game.
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by drayflyer@yahoo.com on Nov 27, 2010 10:33 AM CST reply actions
That may not be Beebe's call to make.
Walt Anderson is the Big 12 chief of officials – my guess is he’s the one who makes those decisions.
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I have a couple questions.
In 2008, Texas was very miffed that they didn’t win the B12 based on the rules. Were there any emails/letters to the B12 offices that were threatening then? My guess would be yes. Last year when MU got looked over for a better bowl game, did not one single “fan” send hate mail to B12 offices then? I find it hard to believe that not one single hate mail was received. All I am pointing out is that it seems odd that this would come to light after our win other than to discredit NU. Were any of these hate letters from an NU official? No. They were from a very crazy percentage of NU “fans” that are over-the-top. You cannot point to a single fan base and tell me there isn’t a portion that isn’t as crazy as the people who have sent in this mail.
Just finished watching Missouri getting their trophy after the game
in a city I wouldn’t care to venture into at night. They don’t give warnings there.
While I couldn't give a damn about the "Co-Championship"
(you beat us, you’re the champs, just like we were the champs in 07 and 08, not us + Kansas + Nebraska)
Could you possibly provide any photographic evidence of Missouri receiving a Division trophy after Saturday’s game? I’ve looked at every photo I can find, and haven’t seen any Big 12 hardware being given out. Mizzou received the Indian War Drum and the Lamar Hunt trophy after the game. Unfortunately, I had to listen to the end of the game on the radio and didn’t SEE anything., but the Missouri broadcasters definitely didn’t say anything about it (but, they did mention the Lamar Hunt Trophy) However, I don’t remember us actually being given a Big 12 Division trophy after the Kansas games in 2007 or 2008.
I don’t disagree that Beebe used an incredibly lame excuse for not attending, especially when there are literally dozens of reasons he could have given that would have been perfectly legitimate.
I saw it.
It was handed out. But it retrospect, it’s a big12 north trophy, I guess it really doesn’t mean shit.
There is no “co-champion” shenanigans. The Huskers beat Missouri, so even though both teams are 6-2, Nebraska wins the North because they own the head-to-head matchup.
what's the matter?
oh, you were finished! well, allow me to retort:
Note: While the team playing in the championship game is popularly regarded as the divisional champion, the Big 12 does officially recognize co-champions in football, just like it does in other sports. As a result, the following teams are also recognized as champions by the Big 12:
North Co-Champions: Kansas State (1999), Nebraska (2000, 2001), Iowa State (2004), Kansas (2007), Nebraska (2008)
South Co-Champions: Texas (2002), Texas (2008), Texas Tech (2008)
What do you mean conspiracy?
Was Eric Marrtin the only player banned by the Big 12? Did the TA&M officials throw undeserved flags against UNL? Did CU get away with interfering with Burkholder’s fair catch? Did Bebee slap UNL in-the-face with a preposterous lie to not have any B12 official in Lincoln after the CU game?
Just what is this?
Some of the messages have included threats to Beebe, his family and Big 12 staff members.
"I’m a big boy, I can take this, but our staff doesn’t deserve the vulgarity and the nastiness aimed at them," Beebe said.
Beebe said he received a message from a person impersonating a police officer who said "they had my daughter, who is in college, and she was unresponsive."
There also was a death threat.
"We had a threat talking about you’re going to die and your family is going to die in your house," Beebe said. "You have to start taking it seriously. All it takes is one crackpot."
That’s pretty crazy.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/26/2474597/threats-put-damper-on-nebraskas.html#ixzz16WjMDhfj
During the 80s, Osborne probably them too
So does any person in power. The difference is that Osborne has the balls not to be intimated by them.
And someone claimed that the FBI is involved. Where?
“The Beebs” as I like to call him knows damn well that “safety reasons” is a shoddy excuse for not sending a rep. He doesn’t care, I don’t really think he’s trying to be clever; he just wanted an excuse to call out our fan base in a way that makes him look like a martyr.
Regarding death threats/hate mail….1. like everyone has said, every fan base has its crazies. 2. He received 2000 emails total, but he did not specify how many of those were death threats. Convenient, all of a sudden “2000” and “death threats” are floating around in the same sentence. True or not, the story sticks. 3. We’re assuming that he will produce any evidence. 4. He’s assuming they are actually from husker fans.
Not to mention that Slive probably gets far worse than that
Are there crackpots in the husker fan base like any other fan base? Sure. But the difference between Slive and probably Delany is that they are not intimidated by this, they have the courage to do what they have to do. Not Beebe.
I have lost all interest in the Big XII championship game. Great to play OU, but couldn’t care less about Nebraska winning the trophy.
I know I'm a bit late in responding to this,
Last week was not good, but anyway. Is it just me or is this like the worst high school break up ever seen? We’re pissed that penalties aren’t being called fairly and we are the only team that has had a player suspended by Mr. Beebe.
And now this. Mr. Beebe comes out and says that “husker fans” are threatening him, his staff, and his family. Just like in high school everyone has to bash the other member. In this whole thing I think T.O. is the only one that is being an adult. If the threats are true, why did Mr. Beebe not turn them over to the police so they could be taken care of? Because leaking a story like this makes the husker haters hate just a bit more, and makes us the bad guys. Kinda makes you wonder what kind of stories would be flying around right now if CU would have had a better year.
And as far as not coming to Nebraska to hand out the trophy, give me a break, I’m sure this isn’t the first time he has received a threat. Grow up, and do the job you are being paid for.
Look at the records..NB is not a power in the Big 12.. they can start more than 5 or 6 corneys from Nebraska..pitiful… NB best players are from Texas, California, and Florida..how sad considering a tree from Nebraska is similar to Ole Miss..terrible… maybe that is why the comment here are so intellectual. ha ha corn me again..
To even consider that Bebee would have any thoughts about corn holes is self indulgence. He does not even consider a small mentality like NU. More than likely the more populous states like OK, TX, MO, KS, CO and Iowa have alot more significance than Nebraska. Flatter your corns all you want, you really are nothing. Can’t wait till the Texas and California men figure out that there is no future in this little little poor state of NB.
Nebraska and its fans are weak, weak, nobody really cares about this little Indian Territory.. The football days are over!! Become fans of strong teams with real home grown talent..not male groping (wrestlers from NU) sic sic sic.. Put that on your resume.. well maybe in San Fran or Ny NY.. sic sic . Grow some real football players not Californians, Texans or Floridans..NB can not get there. Wear Red, look dumb and act dumber..we are Nebraska.
Bebee knows LIncoln does not matter. Weak town, full of weak people. True. True. Cowards, a more appropriate description of a real stranded, dumb lot and not to mention very athletically challenged,except for male groping ( wrestling) . Would you put that on your resume outside of NB? I bet not. SF or NY maybe?
My son is a 5 foot 5 inch male wrestler..state champ.ha ha . weighs 140 pounds. has more male body sweat on him and we like it at our house. his ears are the size of a chimps. he is motivated against other men… women do not understand him? He is a real Nebraska Corn Husker…headed for San Fran to make his future…maybe he will be a school teacher/groping coach…Ma and I are so proud of him? Sic He is not a very good student..been shocked since he first understood he was short and liked men?
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by Jon Johnston on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
I was enjoying his broken grammar
and non-nonsensical ramblings
Oh wait…. like……hear the tress…. this. Maybe?
lol
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by George W. Beadle on Nov 29, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta pour one out for my homey.
Trolls be trollin’ – haters gonna hate.
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"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
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Can anyone here provide a case where a fan threatened violence against a high-profile sports figure and then actually carried it out?
I don’t doubt that a few Nebraska fans made nasty threats against Dan Beebe and his family, and I don’t condone those things either. Threats are an unfortunate reality for players, coaches, officials, and executives, and no amount of finger-wagging is going to completely eliminate them. (As Beebe said, “it only takes one crackpot.”)
I had hoped that Osborne would make at least a general statement urging restraint, but I think the larger point of his (non-)response is that threats like these are rarely, if ever, acted upon, and there is really no reason for the threatened figure to neglect his/her job duties because of them. A deputy commissioner of the Big 12 could have made the trophy presentation and not be recognized by anyone.
Reporter: "What would it take to get you to spend three or four days outside, on concrete?"
Joe Paterno: "Depends what she looks like."
I believe
his non-response is that he knows Beebe is full of shit.
If he weren’t full of shit, it would have already been news.
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by Jon Johnston on Nov 29, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It feels weird to actually have to post this
But come on, are we really taking the side of people sending threats of violence to someone else? Of course Beebe got bunches of nasty emails and voicemails – of the several million people who follow the Huskers, it stands to reason that a few of them are batshit crazy.
That doesn’t make it OK. I mean, someone threatened Beebe’s daughter, for crying out loud. That’s psycho. And after something like that, I don’t blame Beebe for staying home.
These threats don’t change my view of Husker fans – like I said, every fanbase in sports has those crazy, over-the-top fans, and they don’t reflect the fans as a whole. And I’m sure that Beebe loves the fact that he can kill two birds with one stone – insulting the Huskers by refusing to give them their trophy while simultaneously tarnishing their reputation on a national stage. But in our hatred of Beebe, let’s not excuse outright thuggery.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 29, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
I'm disappointed it took so long to get a voice of reason in this thread
You guys literally have fans from other parts of sbnation looking at you and thinking less of Nebraska for it. The championship game is going to be one of the few times I ever want O who to win, and it’s almost all because of this attitude I’ve seen from NU fans this season and last season.
TEXAS FIGHT
I think what everyone is trying to say
is that Bebee used those threats as a cop-out not to have to deliver the trophy in person, let alone send the fucking thing in a box so it can be presented to the players – who earned it.
Idiot, moron fans aside, the trophy is for the players, and that asshole down there in Dallas should have untucked his sack from behind his thighs, and been the bigger man and sent the damn trophy.
If Nebraska can knock off Oklahoma next week, I will be very curious to see how he handles the presentation. And don’t think for one second other out-of-conference teams won’t take note in the event of conference expansion invites.
None of this excuses the fans, but this isn’t about the fans, it’s about the players get screwed by the league.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
And sorry for the colorful language...
But I think it’s just very convenient for some of you fans from other blogs to swoop on by with your cheap shots, ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of Nebraska fans are respectful while ignoring the fact that you have the same shithead fans, as well.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think the people who sent threats are idiots.
But one of Beebe’s high ranking officials is a former player at Nebraska that surely would not have been targeted for violence (going under the wild assumption that Beebe was in real danger) and would have been a prime candidate for presenting the trophy.
Those Nebraska fans are a terrible representation of our fan base and provided Beebe an unfortunate excuse to do what I’m sure he was considering anyway. I bet the first emotion that Beebe felt after his secretary told him that there was a threat of violence was of pure joy at having a reason not to attend a potential trophy presentation for Nebraska.
by George W. Beadle on Nov 29, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
I absolutely agree.
But judging from this thread, it sure sounded like we either a) doubted that the emails were sent in the first place; or b) didn’t care that Nebraska fans sent them. I just wanted to acknowledge first and foremost that the people sending the threats are psychotic idiots whose behavior is not justified in any way. That seemed to me to be the more important sentiment than ‘Dan Beebe is a douchebag tool,’ true as that statement may be.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 29, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
That's a rec.
And should have been posted earlier and more often by more of us. There’s really no excuse for that kind of behavior whatever the circumstances may have been.
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I've posted it before here on CN, and I'll post it again.
Fans like you, Cac, keep me from COMPLETELY writing off the Nebraska fanbase as a lost cause. Unfortunately, my experience of UNL fans has not been close to yours. Nearly without exception, those fans I know have been conspiratorial, angry, and insulting. While I agree that the vast majority of fans didn’t SEND THREATS, I would have to say that this thread alone provides anecdotal evidence that the anger and bitterness that CAUSED such threats is endemic even amongst the members of a good blog like CN. And this IS a good blog, that I’ve enjoyed reading, since I discovered SBNation this past spring/summer.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 30, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that sucks that Husker fans have made that impression on you.
I moved to Nebraska as an outsider during the tail end of the Osborne era, and I was also initially repulsed by Husker fans – not because they were mean or angry, but because they were so obsessed with the Huskers that it just seemed unhealthy.
But after living in Nebraska for a little more than a decade (I don’t live there anymore), I’ve developed an appreciation for Husker fans that I haven’t quite found for any other fan base. There’s simply no single team I’ve ever seen that means so much to a group of people, and especially a state. 95% of the time, that expresses itself in the best possible way – the Huskers are really a means for the type of incredible statewide social unity I’ve never seen anywhere else. But every once in a while, as it does for every group of sports fans, that unhealthily obsessed side that I first saw comes out.
I’ve been seeing that side much more often in the past year than in the previous decade, and I think a lot of it’s because the circumstances on and off the field have been much more trying on their classiness than any others that Husker fans have been through. (Those circumstances are really unlike anything I’ve seen any fan base go through.)
I’m not sure what the point of all that rambling was, but I’m curious: Have your encounters with these terrible Husker fans been recently, a while ago, or both? Because I think Husker fans collectively and individually have gone through some massive changes psychologically in the past decade and a half.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 30, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
It first happened after the 98 game.
The vitriol came from both fans I knew personally, and those with whom I interacted online. I was able to write it off back then as just being frustrated from that loss. There was a brief reappearance (remembering, of course, that this is anecdotal to those fans I either knew personally or interacted with online) after we won our 2003 conference championship. Even then, I didn’t really displace the Huskers as one of the non-Cats teams that I cheered for until this past summer. It was a combination of things, including feeling betrayed by Osborne and company, and how the fans I interact with acted about it all. That, combined with what I viewed as nothing more than sour grapes after the Big 12 CG (in which I was cheering for the Huskers, but hated how they responded to the loss), just put me over the edge.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 1, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'd argue it's not the losses, but the way they've happened, and lately there's been a lot of "happenings."
’98 – KSU (since you mentioned it) a missed facemask on Eric Crouch that would have kept a late drive alive. Not a minor facemask, either, or hard to see – it was blatantly obvious, even on TV.
‘09 – Texas – 0:01. Yes, the rules were followed properly, but that’s the first time I’ve ever heard of the “clock stops when the ball hits something out of bounds” rule, and I doubt it’s been applied properly in other places and times.
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’10 – OSU – Eric Martin gets suspended for a legal block, during which an injury occurred. Unfortunate, of course, but part of the game normally. This time, however, it begins to feel a bit curious for Husker fans.
‘10 – Mizzou – Courtney Osborne gets lit up by Ed Cunningham for a legal hit that caused a fumble, (and was woefully mis-interpreted by the officials as halted forward progress rather than the touchdown it should have been for Nebraska) and now all of a sudden Nebraska plays ’dirty.’
‘10 – TAMU – 16-2 penalty differential, including the most laughably incompetent roughing the passer call I’ve ever seen.
I’m not a conspiracy guy – I’m just tired of dealing with incompetence and pettiness, which is what I think is driving most of the way Nebraska’s been treated this season. As wrong as it was for Dan Beebe to be treated the way he was treated (and I’ll note that just about everyone here as condemned that sort of thing, but you seem to be ignoring that fact), it also feels as though the Big 12 is not particularly interested in protecting Nebraska’s interests any longer.
How, exactly, did Osborne betray you? The AD and Chancellor have a responsibility to their own university first and foremost, and by any measurement the Big 10 is a superior conference to the Big 12 on a purely objective basis. On a subjective basis, Nebraska’s been the odd school out for most of the Big 12’s existence, and just about everyone agrees that the Big 10 is a better fit in terms of culture, academics and athletics. Even if things had been absolutely peachy with the Big 12 (which they were not, and in many ways never had been), Osborne and Perlman would have been derelict if they hadn’t investigated the possibility of moving to the Big 10. Does that suck for KSU, ISU, Kansas, Baylor and Texas Tech? Absolutely – but maybe if those schools had been a bit more accomodating over the years things wouldn’t have gotten so bad.
I’m sorry you’ve got such a low opinion of us. Maybe if you stick around here for a while, you’ll think better of us. But it’s been a hard year since that 2009 Big XII championship game – you might compare it to a divorce. And nobody I know is at their best in the middle of a divorce.
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by Go Big Rev on Dec 1, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
x1000. Basically exactly what I was alluding to with the ‘unprecedented trying circumstances’ stuff.
I’d add the non-call/non-punishment from the league on the Rex Burkhead helmet twist in the Iowa State game. That to me was the bookend to the Martin suspension – I was fine with the Martin suspension if it was the first instance of a consistently applied punishment. The ISU fiasco showed as clearly as possible that it wasn’t, because that play was far more malicious than Martin’s hit (it was also potentially injurious) and received not an iota of attention from the refs or the league.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 1, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about that one. You make a good point yourself.
I think we’re all aware that there are countless penalties in every game that don’t get called. What’s infuriated me this year has been the inconsistent application of rules and penalties. Again, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy – i think it’s pettiness and incompetence in varying degrees.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Yes, while everyone links to this blog post to show how horrible we are
We would like to take a moment to confirm:
1. Sending shit like that is not ok, especially impersonating an officer and threatening someone’s daughter.
2. We do care to some extend that it happened, because it makes the 99.99999% of the rest of us look bad because we don’t do stupid shit like that. Every large group of people has idiots and psychos who do shit like that. They are the extreme minority and do not all all represent the larger fan-base.
3. To repeat sentiments said before, Dan Beebe is a douchebag tool.
Keep trollin’ harder folks
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