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Nebraska's Loss To Texas A&M: Big 12 Officiating Sucks But So Does Bo Pelini's Behavior

Here's what you have facts on - Nebraska lost to Texas A&M 9-6 in what was one helluva football game. Nebraska's defense was incredible, holding Texas A&M to nine points. Nebraska's offense was shut down with the loss of Taylor Martinez' ankle and the incredible play of the Aggie defense.

Unfortunately there will be little focus on football because the game was marred by penalties, some deserved, some not, and because of Bo and Carl Pelini's actions during and after the game.

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16 penalties for 140 yards for Nebraska compared to two penalties for 10 yards against Texas A&M. Did the referees give this game to Texas A&M? It's hard to say no, but it's just as hard to say that Nebraska should have generated more than six points worth of offense.

I've tried to do my best to not buy into the conspiracy theory that the Big 12 will do anything to keep us from winning the Big 12 championship, mostly because I don't think they're capable of masterminding that sort of crap. However, last night's game may have convinced me otherwise - because to be honest, there were times I couldn't believe what I was watching.

The personal foul penalties against Ben Cotton should have never been called, but it's easy to say that after seeing what happened. Eric Martin got two personal foul penalties - for what other than being Eric Martin we may never know (and believe me, I'll be searching for the video). Courtney Osborne's roughing the passer penalty was about as bad a call as I've seen in a long time and the worst part about that one is it allowed Texas A&M's drive on which they kicked the game winner to continue. I could go on - the officials waving off a flag for pass interference on a play that would have continued a Nebraska drive - but I'm not sure what good it will do.

I'm sure opposing fans (or non-Nebraska fans would be a better way of saying that) will point out that Bo Pelini is earning these calls because he's such a complete asshole on the sidelines. I'd like you to think about that for a minute and go back and look at the Osborne roughing call. If Pelini screaming at a ref causes him to make such a horrible call, he probably shouldn't be officiating any more games. A bad call is a bad call and there's no other explanation for it.

If you're wondering why Nebraska fans are getting so bent out of shape about the penalties - it's because there appears to be some fuel for the fire. It isn't something that just happened because of the Texas A&M game, it's something that's been building over the season.

Bo Pelini's sideline demeanor needs to change. It doesn't bother me all that much that he was shown tossing several f-bombs in the direction of Taylor Martinez (unless it really bothered Martinez, and we'll find out about that after the season ends). What bothers me is that I believe he loses control of his ability to effectively coach his team. I'd like some feedback about what all y'all think about that.

After the game there was an incident involving Carl Pelini allegedly breaking a video camera. From the story I got, one of the owners of the Texags.com site was filming on the field after the game, happened upon Carl chewing out an official (or a member of Texas A&M's sideline), and when Carl saw him, Carl went after the camera, trying to take it away from the owner. The video of the video is online, but inconclusive. The camera was not permanently damaged, but if this truly did take place, you have to wonder if the Pelini brothers should be spending part of this next off-season taking anger management courses.

Conspiracy theory? I'm leaning more towards maybe.

Regardless of how I feel, Big 12 officials have replaced Pac 10 officials as the biggest group of incompetent officials in college football.

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I'm probably in the minority...

But Bo’s behavior does not bother me in the least bit. I rather enjoy it. Now the camera incident is totally different. If that did happen than Carl needs to be coaching from upstairs for a game!

by Mr. Bump on Nov 21, 2010 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

Mark Mangino was fired at Kansas

because he was abusive to his players. In this day and age of political correctness, Pelini’s treatment of his players is borderline abusive. I’ve said for awhile that as long as Nebraska is winning, people will look the other way about Bo’s attitude. But if they start losing again, Pelini will fall pretty fast.

If he’s still coach of the team in 5 years, I’d be kind of surprised.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Nov 21, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Conspiracy theory or not

a team needs to score more than 6 points.

by Wilbo on Nov 21, 2010 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

Hard to do when 12 of those 16 penalties

were called while Nebraska was on offense.

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by Screwface on Nov 21, 2010 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with the author.

From a CU fans perspective, you guys were on the wrong end of most of the bad calls. The roughing the passer call in particular, which was a game changer. The A&M PI was not PI, that was great coverage, but so was the hit on A&M’s QB. That call alone changed the game’s outcome so what else needs to be said. The official, via bad calls, affected the game’s outcome.

But I agree with the author. Pelini looks petulant and completely out of control too many times. How can he not lose his focus when he is storming around yelling at any ref within 20 yards? Very few teams respond to their coaches tirades against officials. In fact, many players follow the coach’s lead and focus their energy and anger at the officials instead of the opponent or situation.

There will be precious few non Nebraska fans out there impressed by what they see from Pelini on the sidelines. There will be fathers and mothers of recruits that feel this same way. I think he’d be better served to tone it down a few notches and try a more stoic approach from time to time.

As a fan of the lone team in the Big XII that never fit into the Bible Belt/Midwestern culture of the Big XII, I know well what it’s like to be on the wrong side of bad calls. It sucks and venting feels like a release, but I think a coach would be better served to do this behind closed doors instead of on national TV.

You guys will still probably win the Big XII anyway.

Oh well.

by McGeorge on Nov 21, 2010 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

Culture?

Getting bad calls has jackshit to do with fitting or not fitting into the culture of a conference and has everything to do with being a part of college football.

by poole on Nov 21, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty confident there's no Big 12 conspiracy

I think you hit the nail on the head, Jon, with this statement:

If Pelini screaming at a ref causes him to make such a horrible call, he probably shouldn’t be officiating any more games.

It seems clear to most everyone who was watching the game (including the TexAgs radio guys after the game last night) that the refs called a lot of those second-half penalties on Nebraska because they were pissed off at Bo.

There’s two parties that are equally to blame for that scenario: One is Bo Pelini. His methods of “working the refs” are idiotic, classless, and, as we’ve seen over the past three years, they don’t even work at all. Bo, I get that you’re angry at the calls and we all get angry at calls, but we’re fans. You’re a professional. Act like one. You’re hurting your team.

The other party at fault is the referees. If it’s true (as everyone is acknowledging) that the refs made calls out of personal frustration with Pelini, then that’s a terrible way to referee a football game. Like, just about the worst. When you’re making calls out of spite, or to prove a point, or to assert your control over a particular team, you’ve lost control of the game. And you really shouldn’t be refereeing at all. I think that’s what happened in last night’s game, and while it’s not some conspiracy, I also don’t think that type of thing is going to be allowed to happen in the Big Ten.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

With every single thing you’ve said here. If the refs were getting back at Pelini with any of the calls, and I do believe that the late hit against Osborne was retaliatory, then they’re undermining the game and should lose their stripes. I came away from this game with a huge amount of disdain for Pelini (particularly as a result of the TM dressing down on the sideline) but his non-stop assclownery on the sideline is no excuse for the refs to throw an unwarranted flag.

As an Aggie, I’m glad to hear that you’re College Station experience was a good one. I’ve always thought of our fanbase as a classy group and think that Kyle Field’s a little underrated, nationally, as far as the whole game day experience goes. Hopefully you were able to enjoy some of the Northgate nightlife following the game – Dry Bean Saloon’s a great place to drink away your disappointment or celebrate a victory.

by poole on Nov 21, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

We were at Northgate before the game

Lots of fun. I had to get back to Austin yet last night, so no postgame nightlife, though. Congrats on the win.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the conspiracy claim is naive

For the conspiracy claim to be correct, you’d have to get every member of every officiating crew to agree to a conspiracy and remain quiet about it (along with every staffer at the Big XII involved in organizing the conspiracy and scheduling the crooked refs). As much as Nebraska fans like to think that everyone hates them, you aren’t going to find an entire officiating crew caught up in such a Pelinian rage that they’d willingly throw a game or sit silently while someone else does. The logistics simply won’t work.

I completely agree re: Pelini’s demeanor. I’ve only reffed hockey games, but I think Pelini is hurting the team with his temper. When a coach becomes increasingly hostile and apoplectic, the team responds and commits more penalties. If the coach doesn’t respect the officials, they won’t either. Even worse, when a coach shows such an attitude toward the rules, he loses the benefit of the doubt. If the coach is being that much of a jerk, the player probably was too. It’s not something a ref is proud of, but it happens at every level and every league. Going to the Big 10 isn’t going to make the refs less human or make ambiguous judgment calls obvious.

The simple truth is that a coach can’t decide to endlessly harangue the refs and still expect the benefit of the doubt. If Pelini cuts down on his shouted tirades and exaggerated responses to every single call, Nebraska will get the benefit of the doubt and more close calls will go its way. If he continues to act like a child, he will continue to be scolded like one.

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by LongCat on Nov 21, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Refs

So you have to be nice to the refs to get good calls? It’s like saying that if you were to get pulled over by the police and he was wrong and you got upset he can taz you?

by DaveSede on Nov 21, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Cops and refs

I don’t think he’s saying that its ok for that to happen or what should happen – he’s saying you run the risk of it happening. Believe me, cops have tazed hudreds of people in this county under those kinds of circumstances. Not all cops will do it and not all refs will do that, but it is a risk you run, because some will.

by fltfire on Nov 21, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so fast..
For the conspiracy claim to be correct, you’d have to get every member of every officiating crew to agree to a conspiracy and remain quiet about it

You only need seven.

Last night’s officiating crew was the same crew from the Texas game. You remember, right? The game that Texas held on nearly every play and was only called once.

I’m starting to buy into the conspiracy. As for Bo’s dressing down the officials. It may look bad but, I’d rather have him do that than do nothing. Granted, most of the penalties were our own fault, however, those judgement call penalties were bogus. I really don’t understand how that DPI on aTm got waved off. It was a close call & the flag was thrown. I wouldn’t have been upset if the flag wasn’t thrown but….

I’ll be at the Colorado game helping work the crowd against the Buffies.

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by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That crew also officiated the Iowa State game

Which no Husker fans really had a problem with.

I’m just not buying the conspiracy theory – it’s an unnecessarily complex answer for a simple issue. All it comes down to is the self-fulfilling nature of the Huskers’ reputation for over-aggressive play, coupled with refs retaliating for Pelini getting in their face constantly.

Is it the right way to ref a game? No. Is it professional? Hell no. But it makes a lot more sense than a conspiracy.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Don’t you recall one A.J. Klein trying to rip the head off of Rex Burkhead? I agree with your point about the self fulfilling prophecy. Especially in regard to Eric Martin- they’re obviously watching him a lot more which may be responsible for those PFs on KOs.

Like I said, I’m starting to buy it. I could see a “secret plan” in the officials pre-game talks about paying particular attention to the Nebraska coach or players and not letting them get away with anything and if it’s close- call it. I’m not talking JFK conspiracy level, however, there is some extra attention, as you’ve alluded to, that Nebraska is receiving. And, it sure isn’t a public discussion.

by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I forgot about the Burkhead play

That was absolutely ridiculous.

I just refuse to believe any sort of formal collusion by the officials to make calls for or against a certain team. Referees simply would not stand for being part of anything like that – they’d find it reprehensible. They didn’t get into refereeing to throw games.

But I do think refs are human, subject to human emotions and irrationalities – and Big 12 refs (Burks’ crew in particular) seem to be very, very human.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Ubben says,

He doubts that the genitalia grabbing wasn’t the only time that something bad has happen in a pile (aforementioned comment) and that the Big 10 has “never missed a call.”

I’d like to hope that things like this would be caught by even high school refs. Oh well. Let’s get the Big 12 one last time then leave with our fingers up. :D

by Aaron Gonzales on Nov 21, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

“I know Nebraska fans are also angry about the flag Ben Cotton received, but you’re naive if you think that worse doesn’t happen under piles every Saturday. I don’t blame Cotton for retaliating, but let’s not act like he’s the first and only player to ever have an opponent’s hand in an uncomfortable place. The cameras just caught this one.”

by Aaron Gonzales on Nov 21, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Saw that Ubben article

I thought it was pretty fair until the condescending remark at the end about the confirmation that B10 officials have never missed a call.

..That’s what you get from Mizzou alum though.

by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And the illegal pick on the Robinson touchdown.

Lavonte David was intentionally “picked” by a wide receiver on Iowa State’s game-tying touchdown.

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by Screwface on Nov 21, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting stats to show you don't need all involved.

Some statistical analyisis on other sites have shown that referee Greg Burks’ crew have worked NUs lowest scoring games. On judgement call penalties Non-Burks crews have flagged NU 40% more than the opponent. Burks’ crew 175% more. Conspiracy, bias, agenda what ever you want to call it.

by IAhusker on Nov 21, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Stats

huskermax.com and bighuskerfan.com. Some math egg heads have broken down the various stats.

by IAhusker on Nov 21, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Aha

Here it is. The analysis seems a little crude, but the numbers are pretty amazing.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry... don't believe it... At All.

And I have 2 degrees in applied statistics. They could make a case for themselves if they built the standard profile of a team and then used separate variables that have already been shown in the past to be predictors of penalties.

All you have right now is confirmation bias. You don’t even have enough data for a simple hypothesis test to determine if your your assumption is statistically significant.

Until they can build a model that would have proven what the expect value of Nebraska’s penalties should have been considering the various factors involved, including a new QB, the type of defensive scheme Neb runs, the run pass ratio, the league and college football wide, …etc, all anyone has is the idea that they should not have been penalized. No hard proof.

Everyone fails to notice that last year Neb had the 3rd least penalties called against their opponents, 2008th the 2nd least,… You have to go all the way to 2006 to see Neb in the top half of the conference.

So according to the logic either this has been a conspiracy since the 2007 season or their is no possible correlation.

Sorry… Just not buying it

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Two things

1. Nobody’s talking about submitting this data to an academic journal. That’s why I said the analysis was crude.

2. As I’ve said elsewhere in the thread, I don’t buy the conspiracy theory at all, and I don’t think these numbers are evidence for one. You’re right that these numbers can’t show how much Nebraska should have been penalized, which is a key point in this discussion and one we’re never going to have an objective answer to.

But I think they are some partial evidence in support of the idea that we have a single refereeing crew in the Big 12 that, for whatever reason, calls a ton more penalties on Nebraska and a ton fewer penalties on their opponents than any other crew that’s done a Nebraska game this year.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

actually no...

2 games pretty much proves or even shows nothing. There are to many variables involved to even remotely have an argument that a select ref crew is to blame.

This is all about spin at tthis point. This exact 2 data point sample could be used by your logic to prove a lot of things. This could also provide partial evidence that this Nebraska team does not play well in important heavily hyped games or that Nebraska players hate teams from the state of Texas and plays dirty against them or that Nebraska has a high propensity for penalties playing in a game that TM gets hurt in, or that … The reasons or possible excuses are limitless when using a small sample in that manner.

What all of this is showing to me is that when Nebraska loses it is generally because they self destruct. Unforced errors and penalties are the road to a loss, a truism that have been shown throughout college football for ages.

Maybe my background has made me much more jaded against all of the standard small sample size hysterics.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

3 games, actually

Iowa State, Texas, and A&M.

But your small sample size point is well taken. That’s why it’s not proof. You’re right – there could be tons of explanations – one of which might be that this refereeing crew really doesn’t like Bo Pelini (I don’t blame them) and tends to take it out on his players. That seems to make as much sense as the idea that Nebraska has only played undisciplined football (while its opponents have been squeaky clean) during three very particular games that have nothing in common other than the refs.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

What is more likely?

Nebraska has been at the bottom of the opponents penalty list every season Bo has been at the helm.

Could it possibly be that refs are actually human (I still wish for robots but that is more a baseball complaint) and at some point could possibly built an inherent bias toward Bo or the Huskers? How long does it take for a bad reputation to take firm hold and indirectly influence the game?

Losing the benefit of the doubt hurts, especially in a game that is based upon the perception of an event. The problem is that this has happened many times to many teams over the years and there is no real way to change until the image is changed.

Remember Miami and their thug image/ How long did that stick with them? The Criminoles? The Shark and UNLV, Booby Knight, and Dr Wooden at the other extreme are all examples of perceptions bias. There is no quick way for this to change. It is not feasible to fire all the refs and bring in someone from the outside but it would influence the events, either directly or indirectly, back to the other extreme.

Perception is the one influence that a program has that can’t be tracked and measured by the NCAA. A schools image in the long run provides a tangible amount to their probability of success, either positive or negative.

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by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I absolutely agree

But just because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it’s right. Of course you’re not going to fire all the refs, and of course refs are human. But some refs are better than others at putting aside preconceived notions (or their personal feelings about particular coaches) and refereeing games as objectively as possible. And as I said earlier in the thread, that doesn’t seem to be this officiating crew’s strong point – something that was on very ugly display in the second half last night.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

"Class"

I don’t usually post here, and I know you guys have had problems with trolls, so I don’t want to go there either.

But Pelini’s attitude, and maybe something bigger than that is changing a lot of people’s perception of the Nebraska fan base.

It used to be that Nebraska fans were considered “The Classiest Fans in College Football” and I remember talking with some Nebraska fans after the Flea-Kicker game, and their attitudes and mannerisms make me think that, at the time, you deserved this.

However, my interactions with Nebraska fans in the past few years have made me believe that you no longer deserve this title.

I’m not trying to claim it for MU fans, cause we don’t deserve it either, but there is something changing, and just as MU fans there are a lot of us trying to fight “mob mentality,” you guys have an obligation to do the same.

Last spring, as the conference crisis was coming to a boil, I was talking with a coworker, and he was talking about all the reasons that Nebraska would be picked over Missouri to go to the Big 10. He ended up being right, and me wrong, but thats not the point.

When I simply pointed out the fact that there are fewer cable TV’s in the state of Nebraska than in Missouri, and that in the past several years, Missouri has gotten more in media revenue from the Big 12 than Nebraska, he freaked out. He started screaming at me like I had insulted his mother and killed his grandmother.

My father was a frat brother with a farmer in Nebraska who used to go to games there when he could, and bring his family along. Recently, he has stopped going to games, because the fans he would sit with accuse him of sitting in the wrong section, and demand to see his tickets, just because he wasn’t a Nebraska fan.

Saturday’s game should be a wake up call for you guys. The average fan for other schools no longer sees you as “Classy,” they see you as the nation saw the Pelini brothers on Saturday. Angry, screaming at anyone in earshot, and chasing down reporters and knocking cameras out of their hands.

For years, you guys GOT calls from Refs because of your reputation as “Classy,” on Saturday, you got the opposite side of that. Thats what happened. There is no conspiracy, there is no one out to get you. Think back to all of the close calls that went your way over the past decades. It was a hell lot more than you’ve got called against you this entire year. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. It went for you for decades, its been going against you for about a year now.

You have a choice to make. You can either try to be “classy” once more, or you can keep moving the way your moving now, and in 10 years, Bo Pelini will be on whats left of the Tea Party circuit.

by mudiehard on Nov 22, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and assume you haven't actually read my posts

Because I’ve stated no fewer than four times now in this thread that I don’t believe there’s a conspiracy.

I wasn’t a Nebraska fan until this decade, so I’ve never been a fan during a time when close calls went Nebraska’s way. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was the case.

I’m not going to argue your statements about the relative class of Nebraska’s fans (it’s pretty clear Nebraska’s not living up to the whole “greatest fans” bit right now), but I can guarantee that any fanbase in the country would be reacting about like Nebraska fans are now if they were in the situation the Huskers have been in since last December. (And there’s no good modern comparison to that situation, so it’s really a hypothetical.)

As for me personally, all I’m doing is using facts to reach a reasonable conclusion: There’s one Big 12 officiating crew that doesn’t like Bo Pelini’s sideline behavior and is responding by calling more penalties on Nebraska than its opponents. That’s it. I’ve got no problem with the rest of the crews that have officiated Nebraska’s games.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 22, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I do math... English is not my strong point.

there is a reason why I love the red squiggly line.

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by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone fails to notice that last year Neb had the 3rd least penalties called against their opponents, 2008th the 2nd least,… You have to go all the way to 2006 to see Neb in the top half of the conference.

I agree with most of your post, however the biggest things you overlooked were Nebraska’s placement on that list as it pertains to the rest of the conference and the discrepancy between 11 and 12.

2009 – Nebraska’s 8th. 0.5ppg difference between 11 and 12.

2008 – Nebraska’s 12th. 0.2ppg difference.

2007 – Nebraska’s 11th. 0.2ppg difference.

2006 – Nebraska’s 7th. 0.2ppg difference.

2005 – Nebraska’s 5th. 0.3ppg difference.

AND

2010 – Nebraska’s 12th. 1.1ppg difference.

You can make stats say whatever you want.

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by Screwface on Nov 21, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

SSS

all it takes is one high penalty game for CU and OU to play near penalty free this weekend and that margin will be almost nothing again.

Beware the small sample size….

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but

you can look at the trends. It’s not “hard” evidence, and you can’t text it well enough (I only know experiment statistics), but the trends are there, and it’s interesting.

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by JLew on Nov 21, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

correlation does not prove causation

once again SSS. until something can can have a baseline model built or a large enough SS put together all a trend really proves is what you want to see.

That is one of the great downfalls of correlation. If the stock market always gains on days following Nebraska women play VB on national TV does that make it a sure fire indicator?

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by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No model can be made though

And yes I know about correlation and causation.

But you are allowed to speculate on it. Even in peer review articles. You just have to acknowledge the correlation aspect.

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by JLew on Nov 21, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

actually the model can be made... or at least on attempt of it

it would take a lot of work and most likely would not be more than 60% or 70% accurate but it can be done. The problem is getting the data and wanting to spend the time to do it.

The biggest problem would be wanting to forecast expected penalties per game and digging through the variables and finding those that would be useful. Most likely a Neural Net to find the heavy predictors and then tied back to some form of Regression model….

Peer reviewed articles allow you to speculate on trends but not for any probative value and definitely not something that is correlation only with an extremely small sample size. It falls right back to the VB example. You can speculate and even reference the correlation component and then it will get panned for it.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Simple Stat

NU games this year involving this crew. NU 32 penalties for 298 yards. opponents 9 for 104.

by IAhusker on Nov 21, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't believe Pelini lost control of his team last night.

Bo Pelini is who he is; a fiery guy who has a quick temper. That being said, Bo has instructed his team to play aggressive, and that explains in part why Nebraska has so many penalties.

Some of the other penalties are simply the result of sloppy play, and that’s inexcusable. The environment might explain some of it, but at Nebraska, we should be used to playing in these types of environments.

That being said, I think Pelini wore out his welcome with that officiating crew last night, and were been looking for any reason to throw a flag on the Huskers. The refs are human too, and they got caught up in the emotion last night. Bo got nailed for one unsportsmanlike penalty, and I think that some of the other penalties can be traced in part to Pelini’s treatment of the refs.

Namely, that “roughing the passer” penalty against Courtney Osborne.

Everything I’ve heard about Pelini says that while Pelini is fiery, he never gets personal with his tirades. The venom is all focused on the mistake, not the individual. I’ve never heard a complaint from a player or former player about Bo, so I don’t think that’s an issue.

I’d suggest that in February, after recruiting is done, Bo sit down with Tom Osborne and work on his demeanor with referees. Maybe bring in Clete Blakeman (former NU quarterback who’s now leading an NFL crew) as well. It’s painfully obvious that this is counterproductive, and frankly, I think Bo knows it is as well. That doesn’t mean Pelini should just sit there and shut up, but that he needs to pick his battles.

Nebraska has a new opportunity next season to start over fresh with Big Ten refs. They may know of Bo’s reputation through the grapevine, but there won’t be a past history. If he manages a “kinder, gentler” approach, the refs may be more accommodating when he does raise a concern.

by Husker Mike on Nov 21, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

Also, can I say this here since I missed last night's thread?

I was at last night’s game, and I could not have been more impressed by A&M’s fans. They were so much fun to tailgate with before the game (practically begging us Husker fans to grab a brat, sit down with them and watch LSU-Ole Miss).

And during the game, they beat the pants off of Nebraska fans in terms of loudness and being into the game. It kind of made me sad that Nebraska is too beholden to its quieter, more well-moneyed fans to create an atmosphere like that at Memorial Stadium.

So kudos to you, A&M fans – you cheered your guts out, and helped will your team to win. After last night’s game, I won’t miss the Big 12 at all, but I will miss a loyal, passionate, classy fan base like yours a lot.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

Nice to hear

from someone there… it looked as you describe.

by aka_slim on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Mr CheeseandCorn.... Glad you had a good time.

I was at the game and glad you had a good time. It was crazy and crowded.

It is sad that 18 flags had to be thrown in any game and when it comes down to 16-2, there is a reason to bitch. Fans want to have players and not officials calls decide any outcome.

Somebody does need to check Bo’s fridge next week before the game and take out all of the Red Bulls. Whoa! He was pissed before the game ever started.

Everytime Big Red has come to Texas, your fans have been great !

by Aggiesrule on Nov 21, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know

why Bo was so pissed at Martinez?

by CowboyForLife09 on Nov 21, 2010 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

From my limited lip reading

abilities, it appeared as if Pelini was telling him that he makes the decisions. Something along the lines of, "I don’t care what he [the trainer in reference to TM being able to play] says- I make the decisions … now sit your f*cking ass down.

by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I Have A Radical Solution

First of all, I will preface my take by saying that the “College Station Screwjob” is a given. That being said, I’m going do the Bo Pelini “don’t -point-the-finger-point-the-thumb” for the purposes of this take.

Let’s start with the players. Let’s be honest; most of those penalties, especially in the first half, were self-inflicted. Too many penalties have been an ongoing problem. I have a radical soloution. If it were up to me (and it isn’t) the coaches should say to the players, “from now on, anyone gets flagged, you run gassers after practice the next week.” They’re either going to be well disciplined or well conditioned.

Now, let’s talk about Bo Pelini. This was the THIRD TIME he’s been flagged for a sideline meltdown. Tom Osborne has to be feeling like Dr. Napier in the movie “Lean On Me,” and should act accordingly. “If you’re so hot on discipline, goddammit, start by accepting some of mine!!”(great clip, maybe the best part of the movie). I have a radical solution. If it were up to me (and it isn’t) Tom should suspend Bo for the Colorado game. Bo can be in the locker room and watch from the press box, but he can’t be on the sideline. If it costs Nebraska the game and the Big XII North, so be it. After laying down that edict, Tom should double-down by looking Bo straight in the eye and say, ‘if it happens again, you’re fired.’
 
“If you’re so hot on discipline, goddammit, start by accepting some of mine!!!”

"No 00:01 Chances!!"

by Section 37 on Nov 21, 2010 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

You make no sense!

You recognize the “College Station Screwjob” then go on to say Bo should be suspended or threatened with firing because he let the officials know about it.

by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a way to let the refs know you think they're missing calls

Without screaming and acting like a jackass. Osborne seemed to have figured it out.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm Sorry....

Apparently……. I…….did…..not….write….slow…..enough…….so…..you…..could…….understand……me.

"No 00:01 Chances!!"

by Section 37 on Nov 21, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No skippy

I think it’s pretty clear that you need your meds to balance you out.

by HuskerINtheArmy on Nov 21, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Now I Know How Frustrated Foghorn Leghorn Was....

Pay atten…..I say….pay attention, boy!! You gotta hole in your glove; I’m pitchin’ them, but you ain’t catchin’ them, boy!!

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by Section 37 on Nov 21, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad calls

yes their were a few. But we lost the turnover battle and false starts and illegal formations stalled more drives for us than bad calls helped them keep drives going. Point the thumb. We played terrible on offense it was like I was watching a film of last year. Watson didn’t call his best game and they didn’t execute what he did call. Terrible offense great defense, if you can’t manage one touchdown a game maybe it is time for a change in something, coaching or scheme do something. As for Pelini’s actions what did you expect him to act like it is not like this is new. He felt his team was getting robbed and he told them so. Like he said after the game look at the box score and make you own deductions. 16 against NU vs. 2 against A&M. But it still doesn’t excuse pour execution on offense!!!!!

by Huzkerfan on Nov 21, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

If stats don't lie

Nebraska has been at or just above the bottom on the list of Opponent Penalties statistics in the Big XII since Bo took over as coach – not just this year.

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theory, rather believe it has more to do with the coach’s demeanor on the sidelines and the weak constitution of the officiating crew. Which is just as bad, because the refs should be held to the same high level of integrity whether a coach is in their face or not.

Certainly there is room for improvement in Bo’s sideline behavior, and while I think it does affect the officiating, I DON’T BELIEVE IT SHOULD. If calls are influenced by this, I think it says more about the weak state of officiating integrity in the Big XII, but not conspiracy.

by aka_slim on Nov 21, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

hadn't seen

that one thought it was pretty funny, good link.

by Huzkerfan on Nov 21, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The sad thing is

Is we lose sight of some great fans as well down in college station. Yes we can go on and on about the penelties and rightfully so but we are disrespecting the fans in college station. Not once did I see a fan and I was at the game be rude or try to egg it on. After a few of the um bad calls some fans even said things like sorry or That was a bad call. Just want to point That out

by huskermic on Nov 21, 2010 1:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I loved the Aggie fans

But I definitely heard no apologies or admissions about bad calls at the game last night. Just lots of delirious, “Holy cow, this is awesome!” cheering around me.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

HERES A WILD IDEA!!!!!

If the offense was a fifth of what it should be at this stage of the pelini era, the refs piss poor officiating would not have been such a huge factor. shawn watson needs to go. his offense is afraid to touch the ball, cant catch and 35 dropped balls. his play calling is garbage. he has sat around and wasted a lot of talent and im sure osbourne has noticed

by HangWatson on Nov 21, 2010 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

I agree this article

Pelini does need to chill, but no sane person would say that this game was officiated fairly. So I think that refs got sick of him and decided to hose our team. No Big XII conspiracy, but refs getting pissed at our coach. Having said that, the refs should never determine the outcome of a game. Penalize Pelini for a game or two, sure, but don’t actually take a win away.

Our offense does need work though.

by meatybob on Nov 21, 2010 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

just read Ubben's article

Saying the non-call on the PI was the right decision is pure BS. Anytime that hand is over the side like that is always called is CF. I don’t care if Kirk says otherwise. That his Cotton comment was pointless. The argument isn’t that “bad things happen in piles”, its that its probably bad form to twice penalize the player being assaulted.

I hate the Big XII.

by meatybob on Nov 21, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Dennard and Amukamara

thrive from that exact form of pass coverage.

by HerpieHusker on Nov 21, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

After seeing the replay, I had no problem with the PI call. The fact that the flag was thrown and then picked up was a little odd, to say the least, but there are far, far worse calls in this game to complain about.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Stay in Texas idiot! Congrats on not finding your fan site moron!

by Nick Bryant on Nov 21, 2010 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

The Big XII is dead! Nebraska football is not! Pelini is gonna be a GOD in this state and we need to sign him to a lifetime contract PRONTO! We can take a loss to Bebee and his heard of Zebras. We can’t lose to CU. Friday is coming quick! Be ready Boyz

by Nick Bryant on Nov 21, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

The Big XII is not trying to make you lose.

If they were, they would have helped us (Mizzou) beat you, and I feel like we got the short end of the stick in the officiating that game a little bit. Don’t misunderstand this; you definitely outplayed us and deserved deserved the win.

by Zizzer on Nov 21, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

ummmm please explain to me how the hell you think

cotton’s actions should not have been called upon he kicked the other kid twice……………

stop moping and whining and just deal with the fact that you lost

by mizzou 123 on Nov 21, 2010 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

That's ok

after next year it will be the Big 10 conspiracy and getting screwed over by the terrible Big 10 officiating.

by HalfmileHorn on Nov 21, 2010 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

whatever

I’ve watched Nebraska play since Devaney was coach. Neither he, nor Osborne would carry on like that imbecile coach of yours does now. I guess you need plenty of cheese for all the wine …

by HalfmileHorn on Nov 21, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

what could have

made you think I misunderstood ? Oh, I get it, you misunderstood.

There-there, why don’t you put on a clean diaper and snuggle up to your little dolls there. Maybe get you a nice clean binky.

by HalfmileHorn on Nov 22, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think its fair to use this

http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/25354/team/defense/split01/category14/sort01.html

as evidence for a conspiracy. Nebraska was 11th in 2009 and 12th again in 2008. Clearly there’s other reasons for their consistency.

damn, kareem rush got fresshh

by Tysonthebison on Nov 21, 2010 3:54 PM CST reply actions  

it is

what other people will use.

that’s the thing about conspiracy theories – they don’t really require hard facts, they just point out pieces of fact that people may be predisposed to believe.

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by Jon Johnston on Nov 21, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

EXACTLY

The fact that all the conspiracy people don’t really want the conspiracy not to be true pretty much kills any chance to logically explain or discuss that type of topic.

All you end up getting is a guy in a tinfoil hat thinking your another part of the conspiracy as well….

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You, your part of it aren't you!

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by JLew on Nov 21, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That is a great combination of memes....

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Nov 21, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

BLACKSHIRTS???

Hey guys! An Aggie here! First off, your defense was amazing! That was the best defensive struggle I have seen in a long while. As for my big question, which hopefully you guys can answer, why is your defense called the Blackshirts? I saw a lot of red and white, and maybe the occasional black shirt underneath the red and white, but what is the history behind that name? I love college lore so wanted to know! Here’s to hoping we meet again in the Big 12 championship! (:

by navynfo08 on Nov 21, 2010 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

School tradition

That you can read about here: http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=4435

Your crowd was amazing, good luck with the rest of your season, and crush Texas!

by davereid on Nov 21, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's my traditions question

Where did the Wrecking Crew hand sign come from?

This one:

I was thinking it was a three-and-out thing, but the crowd was doing it all the time, not just after three-and-outs.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

it's a W and a C

w from the 3 fingers C from the index and thumb.

by jimhu on Nov 21, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, OK

I thought it looked like somebody holding their fingers up to say “only thiiiiiis much” as in, we’ll only give an inch, or something like that. The WC thing makes a lot more sense.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 21, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought...

They coached the whole “pinching” thing and they were telling the defense to pinch more of our players’ berries…

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by Screwface on Nov 21, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

re: alleged conspiracy

The possibility of the “alleged” plot began with the one-game ban of Eric Martin.

by bigsky101 on Nov 21, 2010 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

PS

The Big 12 admin wants a Southern Conference team to win the B12 championship game.

by bigsky101 on Nov 21, 2010 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

The referee was shaken up most of the game.

He kept callling the wrong team or pointing the wrong way when announcing penalties. There was something wrong with him.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Nov 21, 2010 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

So you know

Royalsooner was banned, and his comments deleted.

He had been removed from the Missouri site, and I trust those guys’ judgement. So – if you’re going to be here, add something to the conversation.

Or be banned.

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by Jon Johnston on Nov 21, 2010 6:22 PM CST reply actions  

Good Call. The Jim Rome Rule: Have A Take, Don't Suck

Sounds like you’re following the lead of I Am The 12th Man. They put a moratorium on the Ben Cotton incident.

To follow up on JLew’s rant, I’ve been reading Cornnation since 2007. I don’t think I’ve seen the trolling this bad before.

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by Section 37 on Nov 21, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

and further more

The shock from yesterday has worn off. Now I’m pissed. I need to vent. So far (2009, 21010) we have lost 5 games. Only the TTU game was an ass-kickin’. It’s not easy being a 50 year Husker fan. But I will always love the school and the team. And you know CU thinks they are going to beat us. I’m wanting a lop-sided NU victory. I’m wanting us to rape and pillage them! I’m done ranting but I’m still hurting.

by bigsky101 on Nov 21, 2010 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

Really

Being a Nebraska Fan for 50 years hasn’t been easy? So winning 5 national championships, a bunch of conference championships, and hundreds winning games more than loosing games during your lifetime as a fan, makes you being a Husker fan hard?

You have absolutely no perspective. You are probably going to have a 10+ win season. You are probably going to win the Big 12 North. You could possibly go to a BCS game with a win in the Big 12 championship game. You have complete control over your destiny, just as you had before this game. Sure, your second best option is probably not as good any more, but your best option is still the same.

Man Up.

by mudiehard on Nov 22, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with Bo...

The calls began in the first half including the double Cotton personal foul. Bo’s job is to not only coach his team but to protect his players. Unfortunately for him, his aggressive demeanor with the refs are great for the TV cameras and nothing else. Years ago, they would have not shown Pelini’s anger as much but today’s media always has to run multiple story lines during the game even though they shouldn’t be brought up.

 Bo’s job is to win games. Telling him to stand idle while his team collects penalty after penalty from the refs (who by the way rarely consulted each other when calling penalties on Nebraska unlike each of the two A&M penalties) is insane! Thats like telling a soldier to win a war by talking over tea. We need to stand behind our coach as he has obviously taken our program into a positive direction.

All Husker fans think the program needs to be run by a calm mannered person. Coach Tom had great success at Nebraska because of his style. He was respected by officials, coaches and players and thats the way it worked for years. Now we’re in a new time and new rules and we shouldn’t expect all of the old ways to work today. Everyone talks about the culture of Nebraska and how it’s changing. Of course it will change. When you change coaches, your culture will change. Nebraska is no longer under the Tom Osborne culture.

Pelini’s culture may be more aggressive and harder for the blue hairs to accept but guess what…it’s working. This Husker team is currently 9 and 2 and hopefully will be 10 and 2 come Friday evening. Assuming the Martinez quitting rumors aren’t true, Nebraska is still a contender for a BCS bowl. How long has it been since we’ve been able to say that (not including last year).

Me personally, the culture I want at Nebraska is a winning one. If yelling at refs and getting pissed on the sideline is how it’s done to have winning seasons then I’m all for it. If Pelini yelling at refs is what is losing games for us then the refs cannot be objective and need to be fired. It’s their job to be hated by fans, players and coaches and some hurt feelings shouldn’t play into a game let alone decide it. This has been long winded but I support Bo for now. I like the fire in him. It shows he won’t be idle when the game is on the line. I think we’re all wondering why he really yelled at Martinez on the sideline but I bet if we did know, we would agree. I know a lot of folks will disagree with me and thats fine.

by huskerforlife15 on Nov 21, 2010 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

The "Bo is to blame for the bad calls" angle is the most logical.

As a person who has both coached and officiated, you have to remember that officials are humans. If they have spent the better portion of several games involving Nebraska being constantly screamed at by Pelini, as a human being will the be likely to give his school the benefit of the doubt on close calls? I don’t think so, but I also don’t think it has to be intentional. Sometimes such things are completely, or at least mostly, subliminal. Pelini just HAS to calm down on the sidelines. This isn’t basketball, where “working the refs” as he does is acceptable. I mean, what’s more effective, bitching about every call that goes against you (that’s not just like a false start or something) or saving your ire for one or two calls that are the most blatant, and then addressing them in at least a SOMEWHAT controlled manner with the officials? You never saw Coach Osborne behave this way, and I can’t imagine that he’s very happy with the way Pelini is acting on the sidelines.

"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp

by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

I absolutely agree

And I think most everyone here (well, the sane ones, anyway) would, too. (Bo’s apologizing profusely for his behavior as I type.) What upsets me is the degree to which these refs let Bo’s demeanor affect the way they refereed the game. Just as Bo got out of control with the refs on Saturday night, the refs got out of control with the way they responded. And that’s equally unacceptable.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess my difference would be

that I see the bad calls as LESS unacceptable than the sideline behavior. In other words, I’m not sure how I myself would have responding to how Pelini was acting on the sideline. What I mean is, on the level of lunacy, Pelini’s is a 10 out of 10 while the official’s calls are a 9 out of 10.

I was particularly struck, though, by how unhinged he was at Martinez, which probably bumps my disgust at his behavior from a 9.5 to a 10.

"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp

by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 22, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Make a difference

Yes, there is something you can do about this. Call the NCAA at (317) 917 6222 and politefully and respectfully ask that they launch an investigation to determine if the officiating in this game was corrupted. There is plenty of film evidence to indicate that something malicious was possibly going on. There is too much money bet on college sports to not take this seriously and look into whether the officiating crew was compromised. .

by Jennifer12345 on Nov 22, 2010 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

And when you finish politely and respectfully asking them to launch an investigation,

they politely and respectfully say they will look into it, while twirling their finger about their ear to their neighbor in the next cubicle. After hanging up, they will burst out laughing.

Listen, I get that it’s frustrating when the calls go against you. But games like this are not some incredibly rare “black swan” or something. Making such phone calls will only make UNL fans look bad.

"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp

by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

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