Looking for A Happy GoodBye In Nebraska's Final Big 12 Season
by Jon Johnston on Oct 5, 2010 8:13 AM CDT
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PrintThe preseason is over, and Nebraska's last slate of conference games as a member of the Big 12 conference is upon us. Nebraska is looking pretty good heading into conference play, and most Husker fans have to be cautiously optimistic (if not downright giddy) that our team has a very good shot at winning the last Big 12 Championship game.
Beyond the team, the question begs to be asked - "what kind of season awaits us?" - "us" being Husker fans. As Husker fans travel to Manhattan for the final time this Thursday, how will they be treated?
Thursday night's game will be the 95th meeting between the Huskers and Wildcats, in a series dating back to 1911. That's an incredible amount of tradition Nebraska is tossing aside on their way to join the Big Ten. There's likely to be a whole lot of resentment, most of it focused with a "don't let the door hit you in the ass" mentality.
You know ESPN will be scanning the crowd on ESPN, looking for the snarkiest signs they can find, and it'll be those signs that stick in the minds of Husker fans in our final Big 12 season.
Several years ago, I taught a network and communications night course (Novell) at a local community college. I had 18 students, and when the class was done, I read through the reviews. Most of them were pretty good, some downright glowing (I was surprised by that), but one stated that I was the worst teacher the guy ever had, that I had no business being there.
You don't have to guess which one I remember the most.
It's human nature.
The media knows that, which is why "if it bleeds, it leads". Politicians profess to wage positive campaigns, yet the moment things turn against them they go negative because it works. It's why whenever a prominent football player does something as inane as get caught late in a dorm room and gets cited for minor in possession that you have to hear about it.
As far as Nebraska's last Big 12 season goes, the stage has already been set by a media waiting to unleash more of "look how much they hate us" upon the Husker fan base (which may include me, by the way, like I said, it's human nature).
Rather than giving in to human nature, I promise to do my best to heed advice I was given as a young man. It consisted of a single sentence.
"If you go through life looking for shit, what do you think you'll find?"
It'd be nice to have a happy goodbye and by that I don't mean the Huskers winning all of their games and a Big 12 title. I mean a truly heartfelt good bye between two fan bases whose great-grandfathers met on the gridiron years ago to establish a tradition that dies this year. The same feeling goes out to the rest of the Big 12 conference schools - even the Texas schools for whom we don't have near a hundred years of history.
Instead of scanning the ESPN crowd for signs hating on Nebraska, I'll be looking for at least one that says something to the effect of "Thanks for all the games. We'll miss you. Good luck."
I hope like hell I see one.
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Don't count on it Jon
I’m of the “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out” mentality for NU (as far as CU goes, I can’t wait for those assholes to leave and go be a leech on someone else). I can remember two truly good games between the schools, 1998 and 2000, but other than that, the games have been butt-kickings, with the huge majority butt-kickings by NU.
NU was the target for Snyder to overcome, but I don’t see anything to thank NU for besides that. NU is leaving for the Big 11, and I would be lying if I said I wish you guys the best. Your athletic department (meaning Osbourne) is leaving the Big XII under the worst circumstances possible, as the formerly spoiled kid taking his ball and going home because someone else has a bigger ball. Rather than learn how to play (and beat) the kid with a bigger ball and adapt to not being the biggest kid on the playground, you’re leaving. It is the cowards way out. However, if KSU had had the option, I would have been delighted for KSU to take it.
Keep in mind, I’m just one fan, so before “the greatest fans in college football” go all crazy about how all KSU fans are TEH SCUM, remember that I’m telling you how I feel, not how any other KSU fan feels.
“…I’ll be looking for at least one that says something to the effect of “Thanks for all the games. We’ll miss you. Good luck.”" No Jon, no thanks for being part of the conference that made KSU as the worst program ever. I won’t miss NU and the sense of entitlement its fans and university have. And no, I don’t wish NU good luck in the Big 11. Congratulations on being the #7 athletic department (in terms of revenue) not the #3 in the conference. I have too many sour feelings from NU up and leaving when the chance presented itself. (However, one more time, if KSU had had the option, I would have wanted KSU to do it too).
I am really hoping that there is no ugliness between the groups of fans. The KSU administration (and I imagine the KSU and Manhattan police) are all going to be cracking down really hard on any misbehavior.
I wish those of you coming to town a safe trip and time in town.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
I can understand why K-State fans are upset at NU
But you’re sorely mistaken about Nebraska’s rationale for leaving the Big 12. Nebraska was not “the formerly spoiled kid taking his ball and going home because someone else has a bigger ball.” Nebraska didn’t leave because they were jealous; they left for one reason more than any other – stability.
What freaked Perlman and Osborne out and spurred them to jump to the Big Ten was the fact that the entire conference’s existence was dependent on one school’s plans. If that school bailed, the conference was done. Leaving a conference in a situation like that is not arrogance and cowardice; it’s common sense.
As for being the biggest kid on the playground, Nebraska was actually pretty satisfied with its position in the Big 12 as far as influence and revenue (even though its fans certainly weren’t) even when it went sniffing around for the Big Ten.
Read this Omaha World-Herald article, which is the most detailed account out there of how and why Nebraska left the Big 12. I think you’ll find that your initial impressions formed in June don’t match the reality of the situation. I know that was the case for me.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Cheeseandcorn
No, I don’t fully believe what the paper wrote, but it makes too much sense for me to simply dismiss it. I can certainly see how Perlman and Osbourne were looking for stability. I also appreciate that the articles says P & O weren’t worried about the revenue distribution (which I seem to remember being a red-herring at the time anyway).
It is amazing how so many other institutions can be (and were) affected by a single school, whether MU or UT. As an alumni of (and current graduate student at) one of the forgotten five, I do have a lot of jealousy. I wish that KSU was as appealing as NU because of the academic benefits, both in terms of research and money. That’s not how it is though.
If it didn’t have such ruinous implications for KSU, I would welcome the creation, and to my mind inevitable fall, of 16 team conferences. There is too much money wrapped up in all sports (pro and college) relative to what they’re truly worth, and one day the whole increasingly rotten structure will fall down. Now NU has a home, and KSU (and MU, and KU, and ISU, and Baylor) has to pray the current home doesn’t collapse.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
I think at this point
If KSU’s current home collapses, we’ll be at the 16-team superconference stage. In which case, KSU will be fine. Iowa State, on the other hand…
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What, you're not holding conflicting ideas simltaneously?
Both the desire to leave for the money of the Big 11, and the desire to keep the history you have with the old Big 8?
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
A somewhat different view from a K-Stater
I am 56 years old. I grew up in Manhattan and graduated from KSU in 1976. I sat through the blowouts when half our stadium was red. I know your leadership tells you that going to the Big 10 is best. I don’t know all the facts, but from the ones I do know, I don’t buy it. I was and still am angry that Perlman and Osborne did not find a way to work things out. But again, they are smart men and I’m sure they believe that leaving is best for NU. I concede that, and it’s over.
At any rate, this is something I posted late Saturday on the K-State SB Nation site:
“What We Learned Yesterday (the crazy 10/2/2010)
That a college football Saturday can be magical –– because of its roots, and traditions, and its ability to connect today to a Thanksgiving day game in 1971, when Johnny Rogers, with his swivel-hipped moves on a punt return captivated a nation, and a little 17 year old K-State fan fell in love with college football –– and all those memories and traditions going down the road because of conference realignment. Money. A true fan takes a little joy in seeing the Buffaloes beat a SEC team; a proud Cyclone team puts on a gutsy show against a proud Tex.Tech; and the Bears let out a mighty roar. We see the always strong Sooners deliver a little humble pie to the Longhorns. We savor this, with a dash of sadness, because of realignment. Money. A sense that change is coming, because of money. And power. And who will wield the power. TO HUSKER NATION: I know I’’ve been hard on Perlman and Osborne, but get on the HuskerNation blogs and tell them to right this thing. Nothing good, in the long run, will come from this re-alignment stuff. You belong right here. In the MIDWEST. This is home and we don’’t want you (or the Buffaloes) to leave!”
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Yes, Husker football primarily belongs to true Husker fans. But you must realize a part of it is cherished by a die-hard KSU fan like me. You are very fortunate to have had two great coaches in a row, and that your success came when college football was breaking in big on the National TV scene. The Huskers have given the true fan of all of college football some glorious moments. As a K-Stater, you can not imagine how "proud" I was of my alma mater to have hung in there for so many years and get to the point where we could actually compete against BigRed. Now YOU ARE LEAVING. Frankly, it hurts.
oh hail the Purple and White
I can't speak for everyone
but as much as I’ve hated the Huskers over the years (being a Mizzou fan), I have no additional ill will towards you guys because of the conference mess. Any North team would have done the same if they’d had the offer. Hell, we’re still hoping there’s an offer down the road.
I’m kind of hoping that MU and NU can start an OOC series at some point, because the rivalry had just gotten to be…well, a rivalry. It’s a shame to stop playing each other now.
I'll be in Manhattan Thursday
Hopefully there won’t be any ugliness, but I guess we won’t know till Thursday.
More on topic to the thread, I really do wish the rest of the Big 12 (mainly just the remaining 6 from the Big 8) the best of luck. Although I have to admit, the vitriol and transparent hypocrisy coming from some of the other (Northern) schools is getting very old and is causing a part of me to wish for mid-major status in their near futures.
Every single other North school would have jumped at the same opportunity that Nebraska did. It just gets very old to hear that we’re somehow morally deficient because we happened to be the most attractive candidate to the Big 10.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
by jdhusker on Oct 5, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
First sign
I think what a lot of people around the country wonder is why Nebraska was so quick to jump off the train. Two people convinced everyone in the state that throwing out 100 years of tradition was the best thing for us. And they did it in just a few days. IT WAS ABOUT MONEY BECAUSE MONEY CREATES THE STABILITY THAT THEY DESIRE. Nebraska could have been a leader. They could have rallied the troops (the Big XII “orpahn” schools) and toughed it out. Had Nebraska stepped up and said, “We belong in the central plains with the schools that we have been tied to for one hundred years, and we will do our part to make certain that this bond is never broken,” attitudes would be MUCH different. Not just the attitudes of the orphan schools but of everyone in the country. People say Nebraska has a very respectful fanbase. Just think of what they would have said if Nebraska came to the aid of it’s brothers in their time of need at the cost of riches.
Even in the event of a future Big XII collapse, Nebraska could have anchored a new conference and the schools of KSU, KU, ISU and MU would have a home. In the plains, where they belong. They may hate us on game day, but the respect they would have towards Nebraska the other 364 days of the year would be unimaginable. There would be much fewer 11-1 votes for important Big XII decisions.
As much as I will enjoy playing Iowa every year, it won’t be the same in the Big 10. It is what it is, but I will miss the Big XII and the opportunity to play the teams that I have been watching for 32 years.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Oct 5, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice sentiments
But unfortunately, that’s not how it works. If we chose to be so highminded, here’s what happens:
-Colorado would still go to the Pac 10
-Missouri, if offered, would take our spot in the Big 10.
-Texas would jump at the first opportunity to another conference (they will in the near future).
-The Big 12 South would have followed (they will in the near future).
-Nebraska would’ve been stuck with KU, ISU, and KSU without a home
-Osborne and Perlman would be mocked nationally for squandering all of Nebraska’s clout and having the Huskers football program relegated to mid-major status.
Quite simply, we did what’s best for us. If we didn’t, someone else would have taken advantage and screwed us without a second thought. Believe me, I wish it wasn’t this way. If I could wave a magic wand, money wouldn’t matter, and the old Big 8 would be back. Those were Nebraska’s golden days, and I genuinely want them back. But those days are gone, unfortunately, and I’ll be the first to say that really sucks. But it’s the reality we live in.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
by jdhusker on Oct 6, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this originally
was a reply to a comment on this thread that i’d made earlier…. but deleted without realizing that monsatano had made a reply to my comment…. (got that? Ha!)
Anyway, what I’d said was – I think that about 90% of Husker fans are in for a big culture shock when we get to the Big Ten and the honeymoon wears off (or something to that affect).
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What kind of culture shock?
In what ways do you think Big Ten culture is significantly different from Big 12 North culture?
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jon having a writeup on this would be very informative (and popular with CN's readers)
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
I'm not even an NU fan and I'm very curious about this
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Not necessarily seeing...
significant culture shock. Perhaps game times will be a bit earlier, style of play a bit slower, more rushing [generally]…yada yada.
At least we won’t be playing those loose cannons like Tech and Okie St. who can lose by 50 to a lousy, unranked opponent only to drop 70+ points on a top ten school the following week.
Would the conference schedule have been tougher if NU was in the Big10 this year than the Big12? Yeah. But the weak Big12 North and the fall of Texas will be the very same reason why will doubtfully play in the BCS championship game. (in the unlikely event NU remains unbeaten)
by HerpieHusker on Oct 5, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon's right...
Living in Iowa over the last 10 years has proven that to me, in many ways. And I’m not even in the heart of it like in say Ohio or Michigan. I’m sure Jon up north has seen it too.
It’s not really just about the style of play, (my god, do not tell them that it’s a “slow” conference!). It’s about many things. Mainly, it’s just different…that’s all.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game;
In the deed the glory"
GO BIG RED!
nothing to do with sports
their fanbase & ideals are what i was referring to. let’s just say the big ten isn’t known for their tea parties.
I always cheered for the Huskers
And I used to love Tom Osborne. My dad (RIP) and I idolized the man. I was only 6 or 7 when Turner’s pass hit the Orange Bowl turf, but it was the first time I remember being really sad about a sporting event. I remember dad telling me that Coach Osborne had courage, and that you ALWAYS play to win, never to tie. The only time I ever didn’t cheer for the Huskers was when they played my Cats. And even then, “cheering against” the Huskers only amounted to hoping the Cats could actually score a TD for once! I celebrated when “Dr. Tom” finally broke through and won a championship. NU was my “second team” as far as who I cheered for in football. Osborne was my favorite coach not named Snyder.
That changed for good when he (and Pearlman) nearly broke up the league this summer. There were cracks in the foundation of my enjoyment of Husker football before that (how I was treated by Husker fans on the way out of OUR OWN STADIUM in 1998 was probably the first real black mark), but this summer took the whole house down. Husker fans try to rationalize it by saying it was all about the instability. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying that. From every (non-Nebraska based) source I’ve read, all UT wanted (and they’re the big dog, so they DO get to eat) was an assurance that the league members weren’t going anywhere. Once that wasn’t forthcoming (and it became clear that NU was leaving), the Pac-10 dance began with full force.
Listen, do I like how much influence UT has in the conference? No. But it’s a fact of life — and not just Big 12 life. The person who makes the most money, makes most of the rules. NU didn’t like that, so, instead of doing their damnedest to BEAT the big dog (which I would have thought was great) they just left.
Have fun in the Big 10, but I’m sorry, there will be no tears from me when the door slams behind you. Don’t let it hit you in your doughy white butts.
I can tell I'm going to get tired of reiterating this point really quickly
But here goes: I have yet to see any source (let alone a Nebraska-based one) that said that Texas gave Nebraska an ultimatum before flirting with the Pac-10. By all accounts, that ultimatum occurred at the Big 12 meetings – after Texas’ Pac-10 fling became public, and well after NU knew about it.
Here’s what happened in that meeting, as Perlman has stated numerous times:
Nebraska asked if Texas would commit to the Big 12 if Nebraska stayed but Colorado left. Texas said yes.
Nebraska asked if Texas would commit to the Big 12 if Nebraska stayed but Missouri left. Texas said yes.
Nebraska asked if Texas would commit to the Big 12 if Nebraska stayed but both Colorado and Missouri left (which, as far as anyone knew at the time, was a distinct possibility). Texas said no.
As soon as he realized that Nebraska could commit to the Big 12 and still get left without a conference, Perlman made the move to the Big Ten. Sorry, I don’t see how that’s anything other than protecting yourself from being left sitting in a rubble of an imploded conference. That’s straight-up proactive self-preservation, not ego or cowardice. You’re free to believe something else, but it’s simply not supported by the facts that have been reported.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 6, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I call BS
Texas stayed after NEBRASKA and Colorado left, so I highly doubt that the above is any more than regurgitated Husker spin. Facts are facts, and the fact is, Nebraska and Colorado left, and — whaddaya know? — the Big 12 still exists.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 6, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So hate us
for it. I don’t care if you do. No where did I say I was worried about us being liked, I’m just hoping for a cordial and a civil goodbye.
As the man said, you’re free to believe something else.
End of story.
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by Jon Johnston on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas stayed after Nebraska and Colorado left
Because TV execs swooped in, deus-ex-machina-style, to offer the remaining schools a comparatively absurd amount of money in order to keep the conference from falling apart. And all of that happened after Nebraska gave this account of the Big 12 meetings, so there’s no way those events could have affected Nebraska’s “spin” on the situation.
Again, you’re basing your hatred not on facts or reported information, but on speculation and amateur psychology. As Jon said, I don’t care if you hate us. But if you do it with no factual basis whatsoever (and not much logical basis, either), then yes, you’re going to get picked apart every time.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 7, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Good way to put it
“deus-ex-machina”. What a way to describe how the league stayed together. I’m still not sure why it exists but I’m happy it does.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
So am I.
It would have been depressing to see K-State or even Iowa State in a mid-major. I hope the Big 12 stays together in its current form for a little while before we reach the college football superconference/playoff apocalypse. I can only take so much change at a time.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Not inevitable anymore
I’m not sure that (other than Notre Dame) the Big 10 has any super-attractive candidates to invite. Missouri, maybe? But, I’ve been hearing rumblings that the new TV deal that the Big 12 struck might have averted the “apocalypse” for at LEAST the next 10-15 years. During that time, I could MAYBE see the Big 12 add two teams to get back to 12, but there’s not a TON of incentive for this, unless it was a team that brought something special to the table somehow. Why divide the pie up more ways, unless there’s going to be more pie because of the new guy(s)? And, really, the same goes for the Big 10. Why would they add anyone other than ND? As for the Pac-10, they probably screwed things up more than anyone in the fiasco that was this summer. They added CU, clearly thinking that would lock up UT and the southern guys. Umm… not so much. And Utah? What do they bring to the Pac-10, revenue-wise? They’re not going to be perennially challenging for the BCS once they’re playing good teams week-in and week-out. No, the Pac-10 took a 10-piece pie, and decided to divide it 12 ways. I doubt that any new TV deals they make are going to be large enough to do more than break even for the teams in the conference (as to what they made before), and it probably won’t even do that.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Facts are facts
The fact is, from this side of things anyways, it looks very much like Nebraska got tired of being Texas’ little brother, and getting outvoted 11-1 on things. The fact is, from this side of things, it looks very much like Nebraska saw a chance to get a better financial deal and jumped at it — ironic, now, since the deal that the execs “swooped in” and gave us is better than what Nebraska might EVER see, but is definitely better than what you’ll see for several years. The fact is, Nebraska turned their back on its midwestern roots (and almost 100 years of tradition), for all of the above. As I said above, there won’t be any tears from this KSU alum.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
K. Scott,
Good for you and the rest of the Big12.
Instead of bitching and moaning like a menopausal housewife with hemorrhoids, you can thank NU and CU for up and leaving as that is apparently what it took to get the Big12’s fat ass in gear and start implementing a plan to generate some hardcore media revenues as they would benefit the conference as a whole.
And FYI, Mr. Geography Major, the “Midwest” is more BigTen geographically than the Big12.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Have fun in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio
I hardly think you should lecture people about geography. Ask some of the people in those states when you go there is they live in the Midwest.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
See, I've never liked that definition of the midwest
I break the country into the north east (New England down to Pennysylvania), and then the great-lakes region (Michigan, Ohio etc). Then I think the midwest starts at the Mississippi and goes the mountain time zone.
I just don’t think Michigan and Indiana etc are in the mid-west. Sure I’m biased, I was born and raised in Kansas (and spent some time in Iowa too).
Anyway, this is a good point: “Instead of bitching and moaning like a menopausal housewife with hemorrhoids, you can thank NU and CU for up and leaving as that is apparently what it took to get the Big12’s fat ass in gear and start implementing a plan to generate some hardcore media revenues as they would benefit the conference as a whole.”
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Ooh, I studied this in class once
I believe sociologists and geographers generally refer to the Midwest as an area that encompasses most of both the Great Plains and Great Lakes states.
This is how most scholars and researchers (and the U.S. Census Bureau, in the Midwest’s case) break it down:
Midwest: IA, IL, IN, KS, MI, MN, ND, NE, OH, SD, WI and sometimes MO (it’s mostly Midwest, but parts are considered the South).
Great Lakes: IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, WI and western PA and western NY.
Great Plains: KS, ND, NE, SD, OK, plus parts of eastern CO and WY and northern TX. (This definition of the Great Plains is much more topographical than cultural.)
Somewhere in between Great Lakes and Great Plains: IA, MO.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 7, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We're kind of going around in circles now, but a couple things:
The fact is, from this side of things anyways, it looks very much like Nebraska got tired of being Texas’ little brother, and getting outvoted 11-1 on things.
This is not a fact, or even a report. This is speculation and amateur psychology.
the deal that the execs "swooped in" and gave us is better than what Nebraska might EVER see
Even if the Big Ten Network sees no growth whatsoever and schools only make as much from TV as they made in 2009, Nebraska will make more than every Big 12 school (with the probable exception of Texas) as soon as it earns its full share in a few years.
Nebraska turned their back on its midwestern roots
Yup, to join a conference that’s entirely located within the Midwest. I’m sad to lose the K-State rivalry, just as I am with Kansas, Mizzou and Oklahoma. But let’s not act as if Nebraska is going to start playing all of its conference road games in LA or NYC.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m curious, do you actually think for a split second that K State would NOT have taken the deal NU took?
Hadoken!!
HELL NO!
There isn’t a single school in the Big XII besides the 800lbs gorilla that is UT that wouldn’t have jumped at the chance. I don’t blame NU for taking it, I’m jealous you got the offer and we didn’t.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
K. Scott,
Ohio and Michigan are the very definition of Midwest. In fact, most “educated” people would argue that the Midwest ends at KC and Omaha, repsectively.
Do some research… you may want to good “Great Plains”, just sayin’…
Now stop your bitching or go away.
Great Plains and Midwest describe two different things.
But who the hell cares? You all kicked our butt, in our stadium. That’s all that matters, at least until SBNation opens up a Geography section for their blog groups.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 8, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
And just for the record...
As I wrote, they describe two different things. “Great Plains” is nothing more than a description of terrain, really. “Midwest” is a geographical region. But the way I’ve always thought of the “Midwest” was from Minnesota down to Missouri, and From North Dakota down to Kansas (or maybe Oklahoma even). But your assertion that "most ‘educated’ people would argue that the Midwest ends at KC and Omaha is wrong as well. Just sayin’.
As for football, you guys had better hope you never run into a team whose defense isn’t painfully slow, and who CAN force TM to beat them with his arm. That TD he threw was massively underthrown. He might be able to do it, but I’d like my odds a TON better as a D Coordinator with him passing than running. Also, ball security might come back and bite you guys in the butt at some point as well.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 8, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that the game's over, I feel differently (not surprisingly)
Best of luck in the Big… whatever conference. I hope Martinez keeps D-coordinators up at nights in that league. Yeah, Pryor is good, and maybe better than good, but I’d rather have Martinez.
See you guys in a bowl game some day.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
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