Eric Martin Suspended By the Big 12 for the Mizzou Game
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Nebraska sophomore reserve linebacker Eric Martin is suspended for Saturday's game against Missouri, the Big 12 Conference announced on Wednesday afternoon.
Nebraska kick returner Niles Paul returned a kick 100 yards for a score with 6:27 to play in the first quarter of the Cornhuskers' 51-41 win over Oklahoma State last week, but on the play, Martin made helmet-to-helmet contact on a block with Cowboys freshman defensive end Andrew Hudson.
Hudson was attended to for several minutes before being carted off the field.
Wonder what effect this will have against Mizzou?
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This is ridiculous
All there is to say.
by Billgrip on Oct 27, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Video
About 1:45 in you can see the hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5qRVeRMhso
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We came blame Beebe all we want
But frankly, its not like he didn’t deserve it. I hadn’t seen the video until now. Defenseless player, behind the action and very obviously a helmet-to-helmet hit. I don’t have a problem with it at all.
Now, if this isn’t enforced with similar situations and other teams, then I have a problem with it.
yep
Now, if this isn’t enforced with similar situations and other teams, then I have a problem with it.
After watching the video for the 300th time it’s pretty obvious he led with his head, what is inevitably gonna piss me off is the fact that this won’t be enforced with any regularity, hell there was another helmet to helmet call in this game and you don’t see that effer suspended…
Defenseless?
How is he defenseless? He’s running down the field in order to make a tackle. He’s not a WR jumping up to make a catch, or even a quarterback with his back to an oncoming tackler.
I agree
with that…. anyone who’s ever played on a return or coverage team knows they have to keep their head on a swivel or get destroyed by an opponent when they’re not looking.
I don’t know what Martin is supposed to do if the guy’s head is turned the other way, hit him softly? Tap him to get him to turn his head and then try to take it off because he’s not looking?
The Big 12 suspends a player for the first time in it’s history for this (although to be fair, the rule wasn’t in place until this year), during the week of a game that will determine the Big 12 North, a player that’s one of our best on special teams, the week after Missouri returns a kick for a touchdown.
Dan Beebe can kiss my ass. If he ever wanted to stoke the fires of a conspiracy against Nebraska, he couldn’t have done a better job than this.
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by Jon Johnston on Oct 27, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
what could he do? He could wrap around his midsection, he could throw a shoulder, he could swipe out his feet, he could get between him and the runner… pretty much anything except ramming his helmet into the other guy’s helmet. If you can’t tackle without doing that you have no business playing in a league where the players are this big and strong and fast.
Take
an objective look at the video then give a rebuttal. I believe wrapping around a midsection is something called a “hold”; hitting him at leg level would have most likely resulted in a more severe leg injury, plus- what the hell kind of block is that on a kickoff return?
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying...
The only reasonable thing to do is to lead with the helmet to the head of a player who doesn’t see it coming? Apparently that’s the way they teach to hit up there. Which husker got hurt when another husker lead with the crown and hit his teammate?
He didn't lead with his head.
He lead with his shoulder, Ed Cunningham. Bottom line, it was a textbook block on a kickoff return.
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he
wasn’t tackling, Martin was blocking….. is that what you meant?
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by Jon Johnston on Oct 27, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
....WTF are you smoking
who’s trying to tackle anyone? Judging by your sig I’d say you’re watching the wrong kind of football.
This is more or less where I'm at.
I really don’t have a problem with it either, especially given everything that’s been going on in the NFL the last couple of weeks. As long as this is the first instance of a new consistently enforced system of punishment, I’m totally fine with it. (Though that’s a big if – I could also easily see this being the only suspension of its kind in the next few years of the Big 12.)
Now, is there a bit of FU in this on the part of Dan Beebe? Of course. I’m not necessarily convinced that’s why he levied the suspension, but I’m sure Beebe’s very pleased with the way this situation worked out – that he got to make an example of Nebraska.
But as for the hit itself, I just can’t see it as clean no matter how many times I watch it. Martin had this coming. Let’s face it – if someone had hit one of our guys like that, we’d be out cheering this suspension like crazy.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on guys...
What is he supposed to do?!?! How about lay into him with all of his might WITH HIS SHOULDER! Hitting a guy in the earhole with your helmet is blatantly cheap and a different type of hit would have been just as effective. Plus, the hit didn’t even serve any purpose on the return. The biggest factor was probably that the cameras caught his gloating about it on the sideline while the guy got carted off the field. With everything we’ve learned about head injuries over the past several years, the big 12 would have looked very irresponsible had they not suspended.
How do you know he was gloating?
That’s pretty presumptuous of you! If you look at the hit he led with his shoulder and drove into the block. That was a textbook hit but ole’ boy was looking at the clouds and took the full force. Unfortunately for Martin he was born with normal anatomy putting the head on top of the shoulders.
Who’s to say that the guy was out of the play? Have we not seen numerous cross field cut-backs in the return game. And is Martin expected to be looking behind him to figure out where the return man is? Hardly..
On the video it shows him jumping up and down celebrating after the hit. People need to realize that after the hit he saw Niles Paul racing for 6- plenty of reason to celebrate and jump up and down if you ask me.
If I was going to the game this weekend I’d have a sign that had the #46, and it would say:
’A’nother
’B’ebee
’C’onspiracy
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, because the big 12 looooves them some Missouri. Why, it’s practically the Big Missouri (plus some other people).
I think you need your head checked :)
good point
do I really think the Big 12 targeted Nebraska for this? Hmmm……
you know what? I was going to say “No”, there, but the fact that I have to think about it for a minute means there is some part of me that believes that, yeah, they might do that.
Missouri stayed. Nebraska left. The Big 12 will do us zero favors this year. Zero.
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by Jon Johnston on Oct 27, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't
think he was conspiring to get a Mizzou win. It just looks really odd..
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
big 12 should love missouri
currently the only real chance they have to win a nat’l championship this year.
a few things
1. You’re right, there are a million better ways to block that guy, and he didn’t necessarily have to block him at all.
2. I don’t think it’s “blatantly cheap”, in the heat of the moment you have a split second to make a decision like that, and I don’t think that one could think to themselves, “oh i’m gonna go wreck that guys world and try to hurt him” in that amount of time. Guys like Eric Martin like contact, and that’s what he was doing, he saw a chance to knock that guy on his ass, and that’s what he did.
3. No one knows whether or not he was “gloating” keep in mind a few things here, niles paul just scored a TD, it’s louder than shit in that stadium, and I’m sure he didn’t have a clear view of what was going on on the field, call me naive, just my opinion.
4. I think the Big 12 should have petitioned the NCAA to handle it, that’s why they’re there, it would have looked far less “suspicious” to some, had the NCAA stepped in and suspended Martin, rather than a Dan Beebe, someone who can’t help but feel a little bit resentful towards to corn huskers.
On a brighter note, this should have little personnel affect on the game, and should do nothing other than stoke the fires of an already fired up Nebraska team.
I know he was gloating...
Because I was watching the game on television, I saw him on the sidelines for fifteen seconds, and I have common sense….i know how guys act….I saw what i saw and the announcers saw the same thing….
You don't know anything
All you know is what the announcers were suggesting to you.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Right....
He was laughing and getting high fives on the sideline from everyone because he threw an irrelevant block 20 yards from the ball carrier as he passed to his left. It’s a good thing the announcers were there to explain social interaction. I did, by the way, play college football….I do know how these things work. I’ve made cheap hits like this I’ve gloated.
Well
that’s great for you! No one heard what he was saying- no one except Martin and the other player he was talking to knows. The block was NOT 20 yards away nor irrelevant, it was in the direction of travel of the play, right outside the near hash- hardly out of the play.
Again, you don’t know anything. But, you’re assuming everything.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Man
You’re just all about plausible deniability. Let’s forget whether or not he was gloating. The hit was illegal, hence the suspension, period.
You have it backwards
in my opinion. The hit WAS legal, the official right there didn’t flag it. Replays show he led with his shoulder. The hit was in the direction of play and in an active part of the field. Hudson has a responsibility to have his head on a swivel, and he did not – his mistake.
That said, the gloating was completely unacceptable. It was immature, stupid, and unsportsmanlike to the max. If he had laid that fellow out and simply gone back to the bench and acted at least a little concerned, the perception would have been entirely different. Sure we don’t know what he was laughing at, but the point is he should not have been laughing AT ALL.
by UltimaRatioRegum on Oct 28, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Although lets be honest
What else would you expect? He just got the hit that football players dream of getting (lighting someone up, not necessarily hurting the guy) and the result of the play was Nebraska’s most electric touchdown of the game. Yeah, a little concern would be nice, but he’s a college kid and I don’t think anyone else would have reacted differently.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
here ya go
and the result of the play was Nebraska’s most electric touchdown of thegameyear.
Fixed that for ya.
idk
The UW and KSU games provided quite a bit of competition.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
He was asked directly about why he and his teammates were laughing on the sideline and...
he said it was because he thought he put a kid in a coma.
If you believe that, you need to find the tallest building around you and jump off head-first.
He really said it was because he was winded already and couldn’t go out to defend on the ensuing kickoff and was being given crap by his teammates. He wasn’t in on the ensuing kickoff.
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In his head
he is singing “The Eyes of Texas”
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah,
its that annoying version of “I’ve been working on the (pause for effect) Raaaaaaaaaiiiiiiil Road!”
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
Fixed it for you.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Eric Martin and Justin Blackmon
have equal suspensions? How the hell does that make sense?! A guy makes a good block and someone gets hurt (an unavoidable part of football)- he gets suspended one game. A guy drives a 4000lb car 92 mph in a 60 after drinking- he gets suspended one game (by the team).
If you ask me Blackmon’s situation is obviously a flagrant disregard for human life, period.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
Why
would they suspend him for a legal hit?
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
the hit wasn't legal
you’re lucky the kickoff return wasn’t called back for a personal foul, helmet-to-helmet. Doesn’t have to have anything to do with the play to bring that shit back.
But he clearly led with his shoulder,
evidenced by the fact that his shoulder made contact with the OSU player’s chest first, and as a consequence of Martin’s head being located about his shoulders his helmet made contact with the OSU players face mask.
He did not lead with his helmet and spear the opposing player. Did he need to hit him that hard, no, but it isn’t as if a player actively looking to make a tackle is defenseless either. I wish Martin wouldn’t have celebrated, but it was a big hit and he was obviously excited by it; I doubt that he intended to injure him and likely feels bad that he did.
Further, this hit on Jevon Snead was most certainly celebrated by the Cowboy player less than a year ago.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 27, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
he launched into the guy
whether his shoulder made contact with the other guy’s shoulder slightly before or after their helmets collided makes no difference. It was a dirty hit, with poor intentions. And it was made worse by the fact that it was so far away from the play. You can be physical without being like that. The greatest fans in college football should know that.
You are
freaking nuts! You don’t slow down while making contact in football! You don’t pull up! You drive through! Otherwise, you get hurt! Anyone who’s played football has heard it numerous times, “If you aren’t going full speed- you’re going to get hurt.”
Again, you’re crazy! It wasn’t far from the play- it was in the direction of travel of the play, it was right outside the near hash (Paul was coming up near the sideline). If Paul would have cut back that guy could have been there.
You can debate the legality of the hit either way. IMO, he led with his pads and drove through the block. Hell, they teach this in Pee Wee football! Furthermore, I don’t believe he was celebrating the hit as much as he was celebrating Nile Paul taking it to the house.
Complete malice on the part of Martin.. Who are you, Ed Cunningham? If you watch the video Beadle posted you’ll see a little higher hit and those announcers call it “perfectly legal.” You caused this suspension Ed, along with Dan Squishy-Shorts Beebe.
A full game suspension is pretty ridiculous considering the subjectivity of the play.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
no one's suggesting he slow down
but you don’t have to throw yourself at a guy’s head to block a guy 30 yards away from the play. If you watch the shot of the actual return you can’t even see his ‘block’. It was completely unnecessary. You want to say it wasn’t intentional? Fine then. It was either incredibly stupid or malicious.
No,
I’m nearly certain it was malicious.
I’m only disappointed that he won’t be able to play because I was hoping that he would literally kill a Mizzou football player this week.
/sarcasm
//I think
///No, really, it was just sarcasm
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
we can get Sean Fisher to come out and ‘Nancy Kerrigan’ Blaine Gabbert. He’s already out.
…kidding.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
First, he wasn't drinking
Second, one has nothing to do with the other. One was a dumb decision that the Big 12 can do nothing about, so Gundy did. The other was a cheap shot in a game that the officials missed. He lowered his shoulder to line up his head.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, wow.
Blackmon wasn’t drinking? Show me anyplace reputable that’s saying that. I think what you mean is, the authorities have yet to prove that Blackmon was drinking.
Geez, the lengths people will go to in order to defend their team’s star players.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right,
MARTIN WAS TRYING TO MURDER A PLAYER. MURDER.
/endABCcommentatorsandOSUandMUfans
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Charged
with misdemeanor DUI and he wasn’t drinking? You DID say that, right? Because that makes absolutely no sense and it ignores the 4000lb missile he was driving at over 1.5 times the speed limit. It wasn’t 45 in a 30- it was 92 in a 60.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good god, get down off the soapbox
He was never breath tested, and according to Texas law can be charged if the officer smells alcohol anywhere in the car. So there is no proof he was drinking.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
you're telling me
that because the officer smelled alcohol in the car, he charged the driver with misdemeanor DUI, without running any diagnostic tests to prove so? Any lawyer in the country would have a field day with that law, I guarantee that’s not what happened, and if it is, it’s about the stupidest law I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
Thats what has been reported here. We had Peter Bean (a lawyer from Texas) explain the law to us.
No breath test, no blood, and everyone in the car passed the roadside drunk test (which is why they were allowed to drive to the jail to get Blackmon). The Texas minor alcohol law is really weird, and possibly the stupidest law ever. And yes, HuskerINtheArmy, people are occasionally charged with a crime they didn’t commit. Shocking, I know.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
if the law is as you explain it
The Texas minor alcohol law is really weird, and possibly the stupidest law ever.
100% agree on my part.
Direct from BON lawyer you mentione, via CRFF

There’s a provision in the law that allows the officer discretion as to whether to arrest the violator. The officer may also just give a citation and send the driver on his way. That the officer decided to arrest Blackmon may be indicative of how much he’d had to drink, but not necessarily.
I have a BS in Criminal Justice, I do understand that people have been arrested for crimes they didn’t commit. However, that group is extremely small. It’s more likely that if there was no evidence to believe he was intoxicated he wouldn’t have been cited for it. The LEO had a charge in the hole already (reckless driving), didn’t need a trumped up DUI. That would destroy his credibility with the DA and magistrate/judge.
I made a mistake and I take full responsibility for it.
From Blackmon’s mouth. I suppose you’re the only one who believes he didn’t do.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously,
how is that guy not 21?
I thought Niles Paul looked old for not being 21 (speaking of guys who make terrible decisions involving alcohol, driving, and peeing).
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he was drunk,
because they certainly would have listed a BAC if they could have tested. I don’t find it too difficult to believe that he had a beer (the guy looks 43, it isn’t like he needs a fake ID), but that doesn’t constitute drunk driving – so I agree again.
I think most people are glossing over the fact that he was driving 30mph OVER the speed limit. That is exceedingly dangerous and stupid, especially at night. So whether or not he was drunk (from what has been released, I doubt he was actually drunk), he still made a stupid choice.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
No, 30 over the limit deserves something done, and he got a game.
Thats dangerous and stupid, just like going to a Cowboys game during a game week.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
And, since he was seeing a certain player,
bringing about endless speculation about improper benefits that I’m sure Oklahoma State just wants to finally be done with.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed. Dez couldn't just screw up one season,
He had to take a shot at a second. But I want to be clear here, I totally agree driving 92 in a 60 is bad. And, how could he not expect to get pulled over. At 3:45 am, in Texas, with Oklahoma plates, going 32 miles over the speed limit, what did he expect? His excuse was trying to make weight lifting at 6am, which means that the players didn’t care about sleep. I think the suspension should have included all players in the car, for being selfish.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But you're just assuming
He wasn’t drinking. Which is a huge, huge difference from “They can’t prove he was drinking.”
Whatever. As George said, whether he was drinking or not, it was dumber and way more dangerous than recklessly hitting another football player, if we’re going to continue with this ridiculous comparison. (Yes, I know one of our fans started it.)
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I was simply
pointing out the harshness of Martin’s suspension. But, the NCAA must already be up OkSt’s ass since JB didn’t want to answer any questions about how he got the MNF tickets. Could have easily said, “Ticketmaster” but he didn’t. Perhaps he didn’t want to get caught in a lie- a’la Dez.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Tickets came from one of the guys in the car father.
Per our local radio guy. I was also worried about that.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly
hope that’s true… As long as the guy isn’t a booster.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Does it matter if it was a relative? I don't know.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know either.
Peculiar situation though (if he turned out to be a booster).
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, dumb comparison, but this is America,
Where didn’t do it and can’t prove it are equall. God bless America
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh nice!
Ed Cunningham is working the Nebraska-Mizzou game. Maybe he’ll talk about the block a little bit… Perhaps he could lobby to get Taylor Martinez suspended for targeting someones head while stiff-arming them!
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 27, 2010 8:44 PM CDT reply actions
Like this? Wait, I think I got it backwards.

by George W. Beadle on Oct 27, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This wasn't mentioned in the broadcast
so no suspension.
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hmm
guess they really did’t review that game in the league office.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
you notice that no
OSU or MU fans are commenting on this situation…yet they’re sooooo worried about the safety of these players, these other fans are happy Nebraska is getting it stuck to them plain and simple, OSU because we just ended their undefeated season that they were all just starting to believe in…and MU because we’re about to play them and this hurts the team.
Now one will come along and say something to the effect of “stupid homer husker fans looking at the world through rose colored glasses” or “best fans in college football hurrr durrr”
So, a hand to the face and a helmet at full speed are the same play?
And didn’t that play get a roughing the passer? If not it should have, but Marteniz didn’t miss a play (or the rest of his season and possibly career). But one bad play does not make up for another. Its an apples to oranges situation, hands to the face is not a helmet to helmet hit. There, I’ve commented. And I’m not worried about the safety, I was defending Blackmon. Stuff happens, but you’re boy got caught, so did Justin.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not commenting on you
so much as others (not even on this board) in the safety regard. You can certainly see how husker fans would think we’re getting a raw deal on this one can’t you? Even given that it was a questionable hit.
another note
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again right now…if only to avoid suspicion, Beebe should have at the very least petitioned the NCAA to make a ruling on this before handing out suspensions, at least then it wouldn’t be 1 person, who is thought by many to have resentment against a school that is leaving the conference, making the decision.
Yes, I see that point. I think the true proper action would have been for the ref's to do their job,
and flag the play, calling back the touchdown. In hind site it wouldn’t have cost you the game, but would have sent a bigger message to Martin. I don’t see the point in suspending him. I won’t say if I think it was an intentional cheap shot or not, but either way, those happen all the time, and don’t result in suspensions. And I will agree that Dan Beebe hates you, but y’all only have to deal with him for a few more games. Then you can laugh in 3 years when the Little 12 collapses and your safe in the Big 10.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If that hit is illegal,
then would this hit be illegal?
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower fo the first time)
I'm not arguing if it was legal
or illegal. You have a little compassion for someone who was down on the ground for that long. I’m all for Nebraska being a great team, but think about if that guy was on your team. Or if he were your brother or your son. Yeah yeah, you play football, and you sign up to get hit… not straight in the helmet like that. And yeah, ok, there are illegal blocks and tackles all the time that don’t get caught (believe me, Wisco had a big one on us this last weekend), but it’s hard to ignore when someone is down and the replays are playing over and over again. So, while you are all arguing about if it’s legal or not, whether or not Martin should be suspended, step back and think about this critically and outside the game.
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
No one is saying we shouldn't have compassion for him.
The kid’s career is potentially over (from unsubstantiated rumors floating around, but still). It is serious, I feel bad for him. The reason they were so cautious with keeping him on the ground was due to prior neck/back injuries that he has had in his career. He certainly doesn’t have good luck with avoiding terrible injuries.
That said, injuries happen from legal plays all of the time. It is unfortunate, but not all injuries are necessarily a direct result from an illegal hit. My biggest problem with Martin on that play was the fact that he gloated after making the hit. I wish that he would have turned around and found someone else to block; his celebrating is made worse by the player being injured.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 27, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He led with his shoulder,
but made helmet to helmet contact. Not a dirty play, per se, but according to this brand new rule, it’s illegal.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Most on here might be trying to avoid pulling the conspiracy card
But I’m in a bad mood anyway, so I will.
This is the exact same sort of thing that was the 1 second call with UT last year. Was it the correct call last year? Yeah. Would that call have been made in almost any other circumstances apart from Texas was about to lose their shot at the national title? Hell no. How many halves and games have we seen end where an extra second (or two or three) ticked off the clock with no review? WAY more than we’ve seen actually reviewed.
Same instance here. Yeah that hit under current rules probably should have been flagged in game and got missed, and yeah I’m sure its within Beebe’s power to suspend players who do that. Question: how many of those hits actually result in suspensions? Very, very few. Taylor Martinez has taken some vicious helmet to helmet hits so far this year as well, but I don’t recall THOSE defenders getting suspended for a game.
Let’s just call this what it is: the Big 12 cannot let Nebraska win the conference this year. They have and will continue to screw Nebraska in every legitimate way they can find (I will emphasize that none of this is against the rules, it’s just that the same rules are being enforced in Nebraska’s case where they are not enforced in other games and vice versa).
I’m dreading what the refs are going to be like on Saturday. I didn’t think they could get much worse than the ones at the Texas game, but I guess you never know.
This isn’t about pro-Missouri bias. They’ll be getting screwed starting next year, and my heart genuinely goes out to them. This is about the reality that the Big 12 loses a ton of credibility if Nebraska walks out of it with the Big 12 trophy. They cannot let that happen.
I’m not normally a person to subscribe to these theories, but the Big 12’s motives are so obvious, and their double standards regarding Nebraska have been so clear, that I’m not going to smile and pretend we’re getting a fair shake. The timing and circumstances of Martin’s suspension make the Big 12’s intentions perfectly clear.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
by jdhusker on Oct 28, 2010 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
With all that said
If I had to guess, the Big 12 probably just made life that much tougher for Mizzou. Martin wasn’t a huge contributor on defense. His biggest area of strength was on special teams, but his loss isn’t a devastating one.
This does do one thing however. Bo’s teams always do better when they have an “us vs. them” narrative to play against. We now have that narrative. Regardless of what reality might be, is there any chance at all that Pelini hasn’t already used this as a form of motivation?
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
We had plenty of us vs. them against Texas
And it didn’t seem to help us any. Just sayin’.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it's a conspiracy
The Congressional hearings on concussions, NFL crackdown on helmet-to-helmet hits, and the NCAA officiating emphasis on targeting were all done in the hopes of screwing Nebraska out of a random special teams player for a game. It had nothing at all to do with the nature of the hit, the location of the defender being blocked, the apparent reaction of the player (even if it was for the touchdown, it still looked bad on the reply), and the severity of the injury.
They’re all out to get you.
GOURANGA!
You didn't even read my post, that much is clear
Otherwise you would have picked up:
“Yeah that hit under current rules probably should have been flagged in game and got missed, and yeah I’m sure its within Beebe’s power to suspend players who do that.”
Here’s my problem: I’ve witnessed far more vicious hits by numerous teams (including Asante last year) while this rule was in effect. Many of those plays were flagged, unlike this one, and yet, the first EVER suspension that the Big 12 hands out is to Nebraska, for the game that will likely decide the Big 12 title. I’ve watched the hit several times and two things are obvious:
1. There was helmet to helmet contact.
2. He led with his shoulder and that’s what made first contact. The H2HC was purely incidental.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE.
It’s not an out and out conspiracy, mind you – just a mindset which has existed in the Big 12 for the entirety of its existence. We have never been a good fit in this conference, and now there’s a certain amount of punishment taking place for NU having the temerity to call all the bluffs and finally put its own interests on equal footing with the conference.
I am going to miss the Big XII NOT. AT. ALL.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Yeah..
like “offisides,” unabated to the kicker as Henery nails a 65-yard field goal and on the subsequent try he misses.
Or, running into the kicker on a 4th and 7 when it was obviously roughing.
They’ll give us some calls…
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
It needs to be said...
Anyone that has ever played on special teams at any level lives for this kind of hit. Of course he was celebrating on the sideline, he just lit up an opposing player. I would have done the same thing. Sure, it seems a bit callous because the guy got hurt, but that is what you are trained to do since Pop Warner football.
It looks to me he lead with this shoulder and because his head is in close vicinity to said shoulder, it hit the other guys helmet. If this is what the NCAA is going to start banning from football, then so be it, but it is going to take a LOT of time and a change in coaching philosophy to get this coached out of football.
Maybe it is just me that used to live for these types of hits, but I doubt it.
I thank you
for looking at it objectively! I admit I assume he was talking about his block on the sideline too. It is what it is- football.
He reportedly asked the coaching staff if he could go “apologize” for hurting the kid.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
cry baby beebee
the hit may have been a close call, but how about the kst face mask of eric crouch tHAT THE MILDCATS , still luv to show on there lil big screens at there games. its just pure hatered of the huskers . and we need to get every ounce out of these idiots,before moving on to the big ten. they wont let us win, so pound the crap out of them.
I really don't think it is a conspiracy.
It was a dangerous, albeit in my opinion, legal hit that resulted in the injury of the opposing player. The real issue is that the OSU player was coming off another back injury so the trainers were cautious (and for good reason), causing a very long delay in gameplay and allowing Ed Cunningham and Ron Franklin to condemn Eric Martin to death for being a murderer. All of the compounding factors took what would have otherwise been dismissed as a physical play and turned it into a huge debate.
Obviously Husker fans are going to cry foul and OSU fans are going to think justice was served. What I don’t understand is the vitriol being spewed by MU fans who, though I think they are as equally biased against their team, have otherwise been mostly enjoyable to discuss football with. How can you be so certain that Eric Martin was out to intentionally injure players? Arguing such in a debate that really doesn’t involve MU makes your fans look even more fickle and arduous than how you view Nebraska fans.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Because...
What I don’t understand is the vitriol being spewed by MU fans who, though I think they are as equally biased against their team, have otherwise been mostly enjoyable to discuss football with.
Because they are idiots. When a team and its fans have such a rich history of getting their asses kicked up and down a football field, they tend to get a bit irrational in moments of levity.
I’m no psychologist, though.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
yea
have otherwise been mostly enjoyable to discuss football with.
go to tigerboard and they’ll change that opinion real quick.
I got suspended there
for being a husker fan, lol, I was being completely respectful and my only crime was giving a different view.
I believe the policy was enacted this year.
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think if he makes that hit this week, he gets suspended.
Well, he’d be playing for Texas, so scratch that. Anyone else, and yeah, he’s out for a game.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm sure they played the troll card, too.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 28, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
oh yea
we’re all a bunch of homerific husker fans who have fat girlfriends and live in the styx..I would jump out a fu*kin window if woke up tomorrow morning and lived in Missouri.
Fat little girlfriends just make me nostalgic.
Sorry, just stopping by to get the scoop on the hit, couldn’t resist the easy setup.
Good to see you guys are keeping it feisty. And don’t ever, and I mean EVER let anyone fire your coach.
"grinnin with big ears, this could be my last year, someones future is starting to spoil" - The Lexington Brothers..
by raider realist on Oct 31, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure that hit WAS attempted murder.
And Potts hasn’t recovered a year later. Really.
"grinnin with big ears, this could be my last year, someones future is starting to spoil" - The Lexington Brothers..
by raider realist on Oct 31, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this hit is completely subjective...
Ceek, no, Kindle probably wasn’t suspended because he actually hit the guy with the ball.
I think the difference maker was, in fact, Martin laughing on the sidelines, which makes it appear that it was malicious in intent, therefore, validating their concerns about the hit.
Now, had Martin been on the sidelines taking a knee watching the injured player with at least some level of concern, the league may have ruled that the kid wasn’t intending to hurt anyone and made a mental mistake. Instead, you have a douchebag sensationalist announcer ridiculing him about the heat while simultaneously replaying the hit and flashing back to Martin laughing on the sideline.
I don’t think this was necessarily Bebee’s (sp?) revenge on the Huskers…as much as I dislike the smug bastard, I don’t think that was the motivation behind the suspension.
Exactly, Except
I remain unconvinced that Beebe isn’t sniggering to his Texas masters about how he seized an opportunity to give Nebraska yet another parting gift.
by UltimaRatioRegum on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Just so we can clear up Martin's intentions.
I know detractors will just say he is saying things to make him look better. Maybe he is, I don’t know, but I doubt it. Anyway, hereis a statement from Mr. Martin himself:
"We just set up a return, and that’s who I was supposed to block," Martin said. "He didn’t see me coming, and it just happened the way it happened. The announcers made it sound worse than it was. I wasn’t over there laughing at him or anything. I was tired from that play, and I had to go on kickoff right after that, so that’s what we were laughing at, because I get tired real fast and I didn’t want to go out on kickoff. I was just talking with my coaches about putting somebody else in on that kickoff because I was tired.
"So it wasn’t nothing like that. I wasn’t laughing at him. I actually felt bad that I did that, especially when I found out he had back surgery. That really made me feel bad. That’s kind of what was running through my mind. I wanted to go apologize to him, but they already took him off on the cart. It wasn’t like I was trying to hurt the man on purpose. I was just making a block for our team. It’s just stuff happens."
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
Not saying this isn't true, but would you come out and say "oh yeah, totally wanted to kill him. I'm dissapointed he walked off"
Again, I’m not saying he is lying, or that he was joking about it on the sideline, but if it was me, I wouldn’t admit to it. Either way, what’s done is done, and shouldn’t really hurt y’all’s chances against Missouri.
OSU, running a soft zone since 2004
by AUKingOState on Oct 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It is grayish...
But still, there really was no reason for him to lean in like that, and it does look like his helmet hits the facemask of the OSU player. Cant say I have much of a beef with the suspension.
Personally, I don’t care about the “big hit” anymore. Making solid tackles/blocks are far more impressive, don’t lean in and lead with your head. Just tackle.
It is a bit silly that Martinez was hit in the head twice in that game, but because they were flagged, no OSU player get suspended.
That's awesome.
Don’t mind me if I steal it and replace Herbie Husker with the Herpies simplex B virus around his mouth with this lovely picture.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 1, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Conspiracy flags going up over the suspension of a 3rd string LB and special teams player?
Are you guys just setting up excuses for yourselves in the case of a loss?
by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Oct 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Say what you will about us
even the most black hearted, hate filled mizzou fan, if they really look at it objectively, can’t say that there isn’t a little bit of fishy-ness around this…for what it’s worth I’m not worried about what happens in case of a loss, I think we win handily…and before you go on about how no one respects MU, it’s not a lack of respect in your team, it’s just that I really really like our match up with you guys.
No, if we lose
It absolutely won’t be because we lost Martin. We’re mad because that “suspension rule” hasn’t ever been enforced before and they just happen to enforce it against Nebraska for our biggest game of the season.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
while
simultaneously ignoring the two handed attempt to rip off Taylor Martinez’s head…
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What jdhusker said,
I highly doubt losing Martin will affect this game (though he does make some nice special teams tackles, not blocks, and our team has really struggled tackling, but I digress), but do wonder about the enforcement of the rule.
It isn’t a conspiracy, but this certainly couldn’t be the first illegal hit (if it was illegal) or the first legal hit that induced an injury (if it was legal) throughout the entire season. I just wonder why it was enforced now, but at least it was only Eric Martin.
If Missouri beats us it is because they are a good football team. I think Missouri is good, I don’t think they will win but I don’t really have any rational reasons based on this season so far. I had a feeling NU would lose to UT and I have a feeling they will beat MU – I hope I’m correct.
Also, Missouri doesn’t have ANY flaws ;)
by George W. Beadle on Oct 28, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
great, great, great, great articule on nestatepaper.com
by Ceek on Oct 28, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Pretty much sums it up right there. Thanks for the link Ceek!
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 28, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Conspiracy Theories
I never bought into the whole “NU won’t get a break from the Big XII officials” until I watched the refs at the Texas game. I was ashamed of them. I’m buying into the same thing with this suspension. It’s like when a guy is dating a girl he doesn’t really like, so he figures “Hey, if I act like a real jerk, she’ll break up with ME and I’m scott free”.
Hey Big XII, NU already dumped you. Man up and try to remain impartial.

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