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Report Card: Huskers 13, Texas Longhorns 20

Not sure which has this guy more down; the game, or the fact that his buddies painted his body red and superglued one of those stupid foam cornheads to him the night before. (Photo by Eric Francis/Getty Images)

As today has evolved, I've mellowed quite a bit about the Huskers performance against Texas. Disappointed? Heck yes. Depressed?  Unlike Jon, heck no. It's one game that fans and the University built up to be bigger than it actually was. Just about every season goal for the Huskers is still possible, except for an undefeated season. And that was was more because I thought Nebraska's schedule set up that way, not because I thought the Big Red was that good. No matter what the polls say, no matter what we tried to convince ourselves of, Nebraska's not quite at that level yet. It's a bit of a reality check.

And truth be told, when I look at what happened yesterday, I don't think Nebraska was dominated on the field. In fact, I think both squads are pretty close in terms of talent, and actually want to give Nebraska the edge here. The majority of the breaks yesterday fell in favor of Texas.  Nebraska dropped passes and failed to wrap up on tackles. Texas was the beneficiary of the lone turnover of the game, and had the edge in penalties. (That's a whole other topic, mind you.)

Where did Texas win the game? Execution. They did what they needed to do; Nebraska did not.  Texas dropped one touchdown pass (that resulted in a field goal), Nebraska dropped four or five (that resulted in two field goals). Make those plays, and Nebraska wins. Maybe even comfortably.

But Nebraska didn't. Texas played better, and won.  Ballgame.  And scoreboard.  Like it or not, we'll have to deal with it.  So here's the first step...the report card.

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QB: If you've been following CN this season, you know that while I love what Taylor Martinez does, I hated the premature hype. Martinez is a special player who might someday be a Heisman candidate. It wasn't going to be 2010, no matter how much some Husker fans wanted it to be that way. Yesterday wasn't Martinez's fault. He had more than his share of mistakes, but he doesn't get all the blame. My advice to Martinez is this: go buddy up with Zac Lee and Joe Ganz and absorb everything you can from those two about playing quarterback. He's got the physical skills, he just needs to develop the mental side of it. Grade: C-

RB: Roy Helu and Rex Burkhead each had critical mistakes yesterday.  Helu's fumble led to a two-score deficit early on, and Burkhead's drop of a slightly overthrown pass cost Nebraska four points. Burkhead's drop might have been even more significant, because it might have also caused Will Muschamp to back off from their aggressive defensive scheme. Grade: D

WR: So Niles Paul, you wanted the ball?  You got it this week, and only sometimes caught it. The first one wasn't your fault; it was thrown way behind you.  But after that? You need to make a couple of those.  Brandon Kinnie's fourth down drop was especially painful since it not only kept a touchdown off the board, it killed a drive on downs. Muschamp gambled that Martinez wouldn't be able to complete a pass, and the receivers' failures make Muschamp's strategy a winner.  Grade:  F

OL: A lot of people want to berate the line, but the line can't be expected to block nine guys in the running game. A better gauge of the line's effort is only one sack in 21 attempts. The quarterbacks had time most of the day to make throws; the problem was getting someone to actually catch the ball.  Grade: C

DL: Likewise, the defensive line received a lot of criticism for not stopping Cody Johnson and Tre Newton...but that's a bit of a team effort there. They created enough pressure to keep Garrett Gilbert from finding any receivers on a regular basis.  There was the one drop of a touchdown pass, but most of those incompletions were caused by pressure.  Grade: C

LB: Will Compton saw some spot duty, but I think Nebraska would have been helped if he had been ready to play sooner. Dejon Gomes gives his all, but asking him to tackle Cody Johnson is kind of like watching steer wrestling at a rodeo. Lavonte David had a quiet 10 tackle performance.  Grade: C-

Secondary: This group gets some of the credit for Gilbert's 25% completion percentage, but Rickey Thenarse gets several deductions for failure to wrap up and tackle Gilbert and Fozzy Whittaker. Eric Hagg's return of the pooch punt late in the game got the Huskers back into the game.  Grade: C

Overall: While the Huskers never gave up, they didn't make nearly enough plays to win the game. This wasn't a talent issue, this was an execution issue. That's something that can be worked on, unlike being physically dominated.  Grade: D

Also:

Officiating: I'm not going to blame this loss on the refs. But there were more than enough questionable and downright blown calls, that the refs deserve special mention.  I was going to suggest that the University bill them $378 for seven tickets, but that would imply that they actually watched the game.  Perhaps the Lincoln police should ticket them for loitering on the football field during a game.  Either way, they get an "F" for failing to do their job.

Bandwagon Fans: Not sure what was up yesterday, but the entire area around the stadium seemed to be filled with people on the bandwagon who were looking for a party, not a football game. The drunk guy next to me who launched obsenities towards Niles Paul for not catching a pass throw six feet behind him took the cake - especially when he had to head out twice in the first half because his bladder couldn't hold it.  Fortunately he, and several other bandwagonners were long gone when Eric Hagg broke his punt return. Hope you enjoyed your beer.  Grade: F

Elsewhere in College Football

Ohio State: Latest #1 to go down in flames.  Grade: D+

Texas A&M: I know Beergut doesn't like to hear it, but the parallels between Bill Callahan and Mike Sherman are continue to be almost impossible to ignore. Between the NFL pedigree, general clueless management of the program, and hiring many of the same assistants, both are clearly out of their element in college football.  Yes, Sherman hasn't given up 70 points in a game, but at least Billy C won a televised game or two.  Will Dollar Bill be allowed to try again?  Grade: D

Missouri: Well, I suppose if you want to believe San Diego State and Texas A&M are quality teams, I suppose you could hang your hat on 6-0.  Good for the Tigers.  So I'll give you an A for this week.  Have fun hosting GameDay, because reality sets in Saturday night.

Kansas fans: When I previewed Kansas in August, I got the feeling that the Kansas coaching staff was "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" for this season. Too many position changes was a clear indication that things were not going well in Lawrence. But many Kansas fans were optimistic...too optimistic. Let me get this straight...they lose their record setting quarterback, best running back, and best receivers who went 1-7 in conference play last year, and expected to be better?  Nobody should be happy with this season, but I think some people expected Gill to work instant miracles.  Give the man some time, for crying out loud, to revamp the program. There's a reason why your team went 1-7 last season with all that talent...which is now gone.  Grade: F

Poll
How would you grade the Huskers?
A Exactly what Longhorn fans wanted!
107 votes
B Not bad, but Texas is that good.
92 votes
C Kind of an average performance against a pretty good opponent.
146 votes
D Disappointing. Enough said.
327 votes
F What a failure.
223 votes

895 votes | Poll has closed

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Niles Paul

I’ll never understand why he gets so much attention. He’s fast, but that’s about it. His routes aren’t crisp and he can’t catch.

by alacy9513 on Oct 17, 2010 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Solid job Mike

I agree on all counts.

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by JLew on Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree for the most part, but

would give the secondary a C+ or maybe even a B-
.

Dejon Gomes gives his all, but asking him to tackle Cody Johnson is kind of like watching steer wrestling at a rodeo.
Loved this line!

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by theise on Oct 17, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once Reality

Sets in, this team still has a lot to play for. A conference title and a BCS bowl bid are both obtainable.

by cowboy_in_the_wind on Oct 17, 2010 9:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I like the passing shot at Missouri

as if the Huskers have beaten any quality teams by those standards. You know what I like about it? That you’re thinking about us. I hope you keep thinking about us, and about how, as disappointed as you were on Saturday, just how much more disappointed you’ll be dropping 3 out of 4 to MU on your way out the door with a second place finish in the North.

by rg643 on Oct 17, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meaning, what, exactly?

It’s a Nebraska board, buddy. Kinda hard to troll your own team on your own board.

The right way to do this is to disagree with the post without being an ass. If you want to come back and try again, I’d say you’re more than welcome to give it a shot.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 19, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a lot to disagree with here.

I’d drop the LBs one grade for overpursuing on the backside numerous times during the game, and Ricky Thenarse might warrant another drop for the Secondary all by himself. I thought tackling problems left with Cosgrove, but since Thenarse started with him and his staff, maybe old habits die hard.

Also, I’d give the coaching staff a D overall. This team was confused, slow, unemotional and sloppy – that falls on the coaches IMO. I’m not sure how you can not be ready for this game, but however it happened, everyone wearing red looked a step or two slower and emotionally flat yesterday.

Kudos to Texas: they’ve gotten it done in Lincoln every time they’ve come to town. It’s really a shame they couldn’t have played better with others in the administrative arena – knocking heads with the Longhorns might have developed into a fun rivalry with Pelini and Brown at the helm.

Texas A&M: right on. The list of failed NFL coaches failing in college just gets longer and longer.

Mizzou: meh. We’ll see how the Kitties handle Lincoln in a few weeks.

Kansas: right on again. Mangino lost those guys last year: it’s going to take several seasons for anyone to get them back to respectable again, especially with round robin play coming up next year. I don’t understand the anger KU fans have directed at Gill thus far – what, precisely, did they expect?

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 17, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed on the coaching staff

The only thing that keeps them from getting an F in my book is the fact that as terrible as the team was playing and as awful as the breaks were getting, they didn’t let the game turn into a blowout and even almost gave themselves a chance to tie it in the end.

I think Mike was a little too on almost everyone overall, but in particular I’d drop the O-line into the D range. I don’t care how many guys are in the box – you have to give your backs more room than that. Talk about setting them up to fail.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coaching Staff

is a D. Texas declared their defensive intent, but the adjustments were not adequate. No “Plan B”.

Buffalo born & bred. Bills fan since 1968.

by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 18, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bye

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Bevo when I lay my vengeance upon thee!

by Bovinae on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Correction:

One Mizzou fag and one Texas fag.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey now, come on.

The preferred nomenclature is “gay.” Besides, the word you’re actually looking for is “assbag/hat/clown.” Or maybe “douchewheel.” “Fuckwad” is a personal favorite, as is “shitheel.” Or, my all time favorite, “DeLoss Dodds.”

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 17, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan

Of douchecastle. So magisterial.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

tu just got out of the way and let y’all beat yourself. It got to the point of humor when your WR dropped that 4th down pass late in the game. Part of me hopes y’all see them again in the Big 12 title game and can get your revenge. Don’t mind the Mizzou guy. Their team is an 8-4 type team. Nothing overly impressive. Give them credit for executing, but with A&M’s Qb play right now Baylor would have beat us.

by miketag on Oct 17, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

and how did you qb

prevent your defense from being able to stop us?

by rg643 on Oct 18, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the refs

They missed several obvious holds on your guys. Naturally, I’m more prone to see them when we’re on D, so it could have gone both ways. But I remember counting at least 6 missed calls that weren’t of the you-could-find-a-holding-call-on-every-play variety. I don’t think the refs were good, but I don’t think the bad calls went primarily Texas’s way.

by mnHorn on Oct 18, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Funny

I saw dozens of missed holding calls on the Texas offensive line. These refs obviously did not believe in enforcing the holding rule.

by KC Gunner on Oct 18, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

Who came in here and started it?

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

Actually, Mike did, by complaining about the refs in the post. Never mind.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I wrote this:
Naturally, I’m more prone to see them when we’re on D, so it could have gone both ways.

I’m watching the point of attack when we’re on D, but I watch the play develop when we have the ball. Ergo, I don’t see the line, or possible holding, very often.

Also, I’ll repeat:

I don’t think the refs were good, but I don’t think the bad calls went primarily Texas’s way.

by mnHorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's why

I wrote the second sentence in my comment. I was agreeing with you, and I just found it funny that we were both up in arms about holding calls on each other’s O-line. As far as I am concerned then, it was probably incompetent refs who weren’t calling anything.

by KC Gunner on Oct 18, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

SDSU Pick 6

How come nobody stepped up on that blown holding call on the South Dakota pick for a TD?

by ntt27 on Oct 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

The officials were incompetent across the board. Long delays, tons of missed calls on both sides. It might have worked out in Texas’ favor, but I didn’t see anything to suggest this was a pro-Texas crew. Besides, competent officiating doesn’t catch passes, make tackles or hold on to the football. I think Mike’s grade was for their performance in general, not in relation to one team gaining an advantage due to bias or incompetence.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 18, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep...

" Besides, competent officiating doesn’t catch passes, make tackles or hold on to the football. " I completely agree. If NU actually catch three passes, they win by 14. During the game, of course I was yelling about how biased the refs were, but looking back, they just were not that good overall. (Not reviewing Reed’s catch on the sideline still urks me though)

by VarangianGuard on Oct 18, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely - that could have been a HUGE turning point.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 18, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good grade on KU Fans

That Mellinger column was ridiculous. How can this possibly be Turner Gill’s fault? The Jayhawks were just flat atrocious last year in the Big 12, and lost all their “talent” to graduation. How is Gill supposed to fix that instantaneously? No way that sad-ass bunch of clowns from last year beats Ga Tech.

by KC Gunner on Oct 18, 2010 12:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Whistling past Mizzou

I am no chest-thumper, but this seems a wee bit arrogant, and unjustified:

Missouri: Well, I suppose if you want to believe San Diego State and Texas A&M are quality teams, I suppose you could hang your hat on 6-0. Good for the Tigers. So I’ll give you an A for this week. Have fun hosting GameDay, because reality sets in Saturday night.

Setting aside arguments as to whether Nebraska’s wins are truly any better than Missouri’s, there are these facts:

Here’s how the MU defense ranks among its Big 12 peers: scoring defense (first), rushing defense (third), pass defense (fifth), pass defense efficiency (third), sacks (first), interceptions (fourth), takeaways (third), red zone defense (first), total defense (third). The Tigers have allowed the fewest touchdowns in the league, the fewest rushing TDs and the fewest passing TDs.

For the first four or five weeks, those lofty stats seemed a bit hollow because of the level of competition. Not so much anymore. Before Saturday, Texas A&M was averaging 35 points and nearly 500 yards of offense per game.

(Source: http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/behind-the-stripes/2010/oct/17/emptying-the-notebook/)

Missouri went to Kyle Field and dominated on both sides of the ball, handing A&M a whipping that was far more lopsided than A&M’s losses at OSU or on a neutral field against Arkansas.

The Tigers may or may not win their next two games (and a loss to OU would really only say more about OU than Missouri), but argung that Missouri is a joke because they haven’t played anybody comes acorss as wishful thinking at this point.

by MU'97 on Oct 18, 2010 5:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Jerrod Johnson threw for 322 yards...

You’ve got a rather loose definition of “dominated”…

Kansas State and Washington are both better than anybody Mizzou has played so far this season.

by Husker Mike on Oct 18, 2010 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you watch the game?

Meaningless yards in the second half, well after the game was out of reach.

Seriously, I do not understand how anybody could dispute that Missouri dominated that game.

by MU'97 on Oct 18, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched most of it

Yes, Missouri dominated. Also, K-State and Washington are, as Mike said, both better than A&M. Who knows whether Mizzou is really legit (and whether Nebraska is, too) – we’ll obviously find out over the next two weeks.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 18, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uh no...

I saw a few minutes early on…then headed to Lincoln. So I have to go from game accounts…

by Husker Mike on Oct 18, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

well there you go.

aTm gained nearly 2/3 of their total yardage after the score was 30-3.

by rg643 on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

With an 80 yd screen pass in garbage time

if you watched any part of the game, you saw aggy getting dominated.

by Hobbes881 on Oct 18, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont get the Oline criticism as well...

They played fine, in general. Working against a great DL, and for the most part, Martinez and Lee had time, but when you simply cannot complete a down field pass, the “box” is going to be loaded up.

All in all, my biggest concern are the fumbles. Been a issue all year. The drops are because of UT in the player’s heads, which I think goes away regardless, but the fumbles absolutely have to stop.

Thenarse need to learn the difference between “hitting” someone and “tackling” someone. I would have thought that Pelini would have erased that mindset by now.

by meatybob on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's face it .......

Taylor Martinez can NOT throw throw ball. Yes, our recievers dropped 8 passed (according to the ABC brodcast), but the only one that was on target was Zac Lee’s pass to Kinnie and it looked like that was because of a good play by the defender (they never showed a clear replay but it looked like he grabbed Kinnie’s right arm when the ball got there). The offence has struggled with Martinez against much weaker teams. The defence crowds the line and dares him to throw deep, something he can not do. Remember the long TD pass against K-State? Remember how under thrown it was? Once Martinez pulls the ball down and starts to run, the pass threat is over and the DBs can run up and help on the play. He can barely throw the ball 20-25 yds standing, forget throwing on the run. Also, am I the only one that noticed the Longhorn defence spread out when Lee came in the game? The struggles against W. Kentucky and Idaho pointed to trouble. Cody Green and Zac Lee should have gotten more reps in those games. Yes, Green has made mistakes, he need reps to get over real game jitters (and not reps inside our own 5). Martinez’s skills are better suited for HB. Let Lee and Green take the QB spot and make the defence play honest.

by HuskerKnight on Oct 18, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

It's official.

Texas is now in my Dog House of Intensely Disliked Teams. (not pc to be a hater I’m told) They join Okla, Mia ’canes, and NDame..

by bigsky101 on Oct 18, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually

Texas dropped two touchdown passes. I guess though it only counts if it’s for Nebraska.

You might not feel that Nebraska was dominated on the field but in two games against Will Muschamp your team has less than 320 yards of offense. Total. T-O-T-A-L. Not an average of 320 yards per game, but a TOTAL of 320 yards. In 11 possessions on Saturday Nebraska either turned the ball over, went three and out or turned it over on downs 9 times. So maybe you don’t feel like you were dominated, but you totally, completely were.

Also I thought Husker fans were suppose to be classy. For every great fan I met Saturday there were at least 5 or 6 idiots. After the game was even worse. Tell me something – has Nebraska ever lost a game? I ask because everyone I ran into after the game had the same attitude that you have – that is, that Nebraska wasn’t didn’t lose to Texas but only to themselves. Real classy.

Y’all have fun in the Big Ten.

by flamingmonkeyass on Oct 19, 2010 4:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone remember the passes he's referring to?

I don’t. Honestly. And yes, Muschamp has done very well against NU the past few games. He’s a good DC and I’d say Nebraska and Texas have two of the top 5 defenses in the country. What we’re all so pissed about is how Texas played, frankly, up to their level of play, while our Huskers looked out of sync, slow and unemotional for what was supposed to be the biggest game of the year. And even with that underwhelming performance, we were two dropped passes away from winning the ballgame. So, pardon us if we’re as much disappointed in our own team as we are willing to admit Texas played well and beat us. Again.

I’m sorry you didn’t have a great experience in Lincoln. I can’t speak for the rest of this crowd, but for me, that “classy fans” reputation is really important. Every fanbase has their exceptions, but in my experience the overwhelming majority of Husker fans want to get along with their opponent’s fans. I wish you could have met some of the folks I know – they would have been happy to show you a good time.

When it comes to us leaving for the Big Integer, just remember it goes both ways. I’m sorry the Big 12 didn’t work out, but there were things Texas could have done to ensure the league stuck together, and your administration chose to put its own benefit above that of the conference. That doesn’t happen in the Big Integer, which is why I’m excited NU is heading there. If the Big 12 can work out under the conditions Texas has imposed on the rest of the conference, great, but I don’t hold out much hope of that happening. Either way, best of luck.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 19, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said, Big Rev.

Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. - Mark Crispin

by theise on Oct 19, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are right...they never actually lose

This is the attitude that makes level headed fans hate you. “We would have won IF IF IF IF..” I’m not a Texas or Nebraska fan, but Texas fans, from my experience have been way easier to deal with.

I recall two easy passes NU should have caught, let’s say they both were touchdowns. If they occur, the punt return doesn’t and Texas kicks a field goal. Texas still wins.

From a neutral fan, Texas played better and is probably the overall better team. Get over it.

Bitchslapping Texas since 1997

by mjk7166 on Oct 19, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

From a neutral fan, Texas played better and is probably the overall better team. Get over it.

Texas played better on Saturday – no one here is denying that. You people seem to have a problem distinguishing between the difference between disappointment and argument. To wit: “I’m disappointed Nebraska didn’t play up to their potential.” ≠ “We would have won IF…”

I’m disappointed in my team: period. If catching those two sure touchdowns means we win the game, wonderful – but if they don’t, I still feel better about my team because at least they took their best shot at winning the game.

And, by the way, thanks for showing up to troll around after a hard loss. Talk about classy!

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Oct 19, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems that according to the trolls around here (especially Texas fans)

The only acceptable response to a loss is to spend the next week groveling at the winning team’s feet and gushing about how there was no way in hell you could have ever beaten them, even if everything had gone right. Anything else, apparently, is woulda-coulda-shoulda fandom.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’d find that their own post-loss comments don’t exactly live up to that absurd standard.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 19, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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