Rivals, Hatred, And Stereotypes - College Football Research Brings Out The Best In Me
A couple weeks ago, I received an email from someone who said they're doing research about college football. I hope to help them out. I could use some more help from Husker fans, though, particularly in the area about who Husker fans love to taunt. Anyway, here's the answers I've developed thus far.
What Big 12 team do you cover for SB Nation?
The Nebraska Cornhuskers!
Who do you consider to be your team's biggest rivals?
You'd think this would be an easy question, but due to the creation of the Big 12 conference, it's not. Nebraskans generally consider Oklahoma our biggest rival, but we don't play them every year, and the rest of the nation has long past moved on from including the Nebraska - Oklahoma game as a rivalry game.
Therefore we need to choose one, but the problem is that no one has yet been deemed worthy. Missouri and Colorado are the closest, as Missouri has beaten us the last three trips to Columbia, and Colorado is our network-designated rival, having taken the place of Oklahoma as the last conference game every season. The problem with Missouri is they haven't sustained their greatness, and with Colorado, it's more fun to deny them being a rival than it is to accept them as one.
Kansas State was in the running for a while and may come back if Bill Snyder can have any success. I have my doubts.
After the jump, we continue on to discuss hatred, stereotypes, and why our Husker fan base is better than everyone else.
What teams and specific players do the casual or die-hard fans of your team hate the most?
I'd say we hate Colorado, Missouri, and Texas in that order. Colorado because they're always acting high and mighty and better than us, Missouri because they had a couple good years and suddenly think they've accomplished something (try winning a title in something, eh?), and Texas because they have everything possible going for them and are really quick to remind you of that every chance they get.
Maybe we hate Kansas too. If they beat us this year, they deserve it.
I like people from Iowa State, though. They're easy to like. We crush them and then after the game we generally all drink beer together.
If you wanted to taunt players from the conference, who would be the biggest targets? The rest of college football?
Oh, without a doubt the biggest target would be Cody "squashed on the roadie" Hawkins, the quarterback from Colorado who got run over by Ndamukong Suh on his way to the end zone last season. As long as I live, I'll never tire of seeing this.
I've been trying to come up with a good country song with which to taunt the Missouri fans. The title is "Chase ain't around here no more", and I hope to have something before the start of the season.
I'd still taunt Kansas State's Chad May if he was around. Too bad he's not.
My all-time favorite college football taunt remains "You can't spell SUCK without U-S-C", maybe because it can be easily re-arranged and applied to Kansas State.
What kind of taunts would sting the casual fan of your team the most-going after the make-up of the fan base, individual players, coach, school, or the state?
The state because Nebraska is unique in that the University of Nebraska is the state's only Division IA (FBS) football team. The team belongs to the state. The state belongs to the team. That was true 100 years ago, and it'll be true 100 years from now.
In 100 words or less, best describe your team's fan base.
"The Greatest Fans in College Football" - it's right there above the gates as you enter Memorial Stadium. I don't know how you can get much more clear than that. Even during one of the worst seasons in school history, Husker fans packed Memorial Stadium.
For a comparison, last season Missouri finally made the Big 12 title game and their fans were apparently too busy or too uninterested to bother with it. Colorado consistently has problems with their student section behavior.
This coming season, Nebraska will celebrate our 300th straight sell-out, a continued NCAA record that dates back to November, 1962. Name another fan base with that much dedication in any sport.
Nebraskans are generally football geeks. We tend to be more knowledgeable about the actual game of football than most other fans, which is why you don't see massive amounts of tailgating at Husker games. We tend to taunt others less than they taunt us, although that tends to even out if we happen to be drinking. Or in my case, breathing.
What are the common stereotypes associated with your team's fan base and the school in general? In what ways are they true/false?
Here's a perfect example - an email I received a few days ago:
Please look into getting a new logo for the Cornnation.com website. Your current one adds to the "hick" stereotype that hangs over nebraska football fans. Its almost as bad as the fans who say "go 'skers".
Ah, the "hick" stereotype. The person who sent me this is no doubt bothered by the fact that Larry the Cable Guy is one of our biggest celebrities, fans and supporters. My initial reaction to this was that I should change the logo to a picture of me hunting down this particular fan and jamming a corn cob through the side of their head, but I decided to have another beer instead (while riding on my tractor, of course).
One of the better memories I have regarding the ‘hick' stereotype was a story from a friend who was at the ‘97 Nebraska - Missouri "flea-kicker" game. He said that right after Nebraska won the game a Tigers fan turned to him and said "Don't you have some cows to tend to, or something?" - what a great line! That's the meaning of beaten!
Before I continue, let's look at the meaning of the word - hick. From the urban dictionary:
A derogatory slang term for lower class whites raised in rural areas, usually within trailer parks or hog farms. Generally used more for Midwesterners than Southerners
If that doesn't describe the majority of the Big 12 conference, I don't know what does. Iowa has nothing on Nebraska in this regard, nor does Kansas (and if there is a more geographically uninteresting state in the nation than Kansas, I'm not sure what it is. At least Nebraska has the Sandhills and Chimney Rock.). Missouri can't elevate themselves much, otherwise you can bring up the whole "Methzou" stereotype against them and that tends to shut them up.
Moving into Oklahoma, we find another state that no one wanted to live in years ago - like Nebraska, the federal government had to give the land away to entice people to live there. When Bill Callahan made his famous "effing hillbillies" comment about Okies, the general feeling was "if he feels that way about them, how does he feel about us?". Biggest difference between Nebraska and Oklahoma? Barry Switzer retired because he cheated too much. Tom Osborne retired because he won enough games.
Then there's the whole state of Texas. Texas Tech has nothing on us when it comes to hickery - my understanding is that Lubbock didn't discover the rest of the nation had electricity until some time in the 1970s.
Texas A&M - well, they're just plain weird. You can't taunt them too much, though, because they're well organized and some of their guys carry swords. Not sure if they know how to use them, but better some Longhorn fans find out than me.
Then there's the Texas Longhorn crowd. You ever notice how you never see a single Longhorn fan by themselves anywhere? That's because they have a well-developed bunker mentality that allows them to believe everyone is out to get them while at the same time believing that everyone should love them for being so damned wonderful. They can only keep that intact as long as they keep telling themselves it's true.
Moving outside the conference, let's look at California first. The idea that Californians can make fun of anyone only means that they haven't ever left their own state. If they did, they'd realize just how out of touch with reality they are. Good luck with that budget, guys, by the time you're done all the smart rich people will have left the state and all the good companies too. Remember, you did this to yourselves.
Those from the South can't mention the word ‘hick' without having the word ‘redneck' thrown back in their face, so they're straight out of contention. Then there's those people from states like West Virginia where they burn couches for fun when all they're really doing is releasing thousands of farts into the atmosphere. Talk about an emission problem.
Michigan might have once had something going, but right now they're the state where no one builds anything anymore - which is actually kind of sad when you think about it. Notre Dame is still Notre Lame and Ohio State, well none of our coaches has ever been fired for punching an opposing player, not even the really bad ones. Florida is a state where half the population doesn't graduate from high school and old white people go to die, neither of which are reasons to jump up and cheer.
Oh, did I forget Colorado? No, I just left them ‘til last. Colorado has two big problems. One - they didn't actually create the beauty of their state, the Rockies, but they certainly act like they did. And two - it isn't the natives that are the source of the biggest problem. It's all the people who have moved their over time and continue to screw up one of the most beautiful states in the nation. Next time you're catching crap from one of them be sure to ask if they're a native. Chances are, they're not, although they might not remember. Boulder does funny things to people, just look at what it's done to Dan Hawkins. He used to know how to win football games.
Back to the beginning of this section - with regards to Husker fans who feel haunted by the "hick" stereotype (i.e. people from Omaha), I'd ask you to get over it. You need to realize that the state of Nebraska grows the food that feeds the world. If the powers that be got past their ignorance, the state would further technology that would allow us to grow food that powers a good part of the world, too.
There's nothing more noble than that, and if someone wants to call you a hick for it, you can send them here, and we'll set them straight. I promise.
July - what a long month. When is college football season ever going to start!?
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Damn, this makes me miss BOTC’s Adventures in the Big 12 series. Friendly smack talk about the whole conference. Well, friendly except for Colorado. For all their talk about us being elitist, they sure do have their nose stuck in the air.
;-)
by Wolvie on Jul 9, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There will be more Adventures in the future...
…Panjandrum’s a little busy right now, but he’s working on the next installments.
I must say, few things are more ironic than a Nebraskan referring to another state as “geographically uninteresting.” Sand Hills, Flint Hills, Chimney Rock, Monument Rocks…and lots and lots of open space.
Just kidding, blight. I enjoyed that. I thought I was hearing my dad speak to me when I read the line about Coloradans acting like they invented their state’s beauty.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jul 9, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are all waiting for more Big 12 adventures. The therapy session was just about the best piece of conference humor I have read. He nailed the schools.
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Word
…Fantastic. I am forwarding this to other Husker fans that I know. Brilliant, and thoroughly enjoyed. And a beatiful moment for Suh captured forever on film to go with it.
I had a colorado fan at my house over thanksgiving break, and as I watched the field goal sail true and then Hawkins get his teeth re-adjusted, I honestly thought I was going to get killed in my sleep that night….
well done, blight.
by js17 on Jul 9, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta Luv That Longhorn "Humility"
Anybody catch the Q & A on http://www.burntorangenation.com/2009/7/7/941233/54bs-jackass-mailbag ?
Q: Which Big 12 do you cover for SB Nation?
A: God’s chosen university of course.
Q: In 100 words or less, best describe your team’s fanbase.
A: We’re Texas, and you’re not.
And the Evil Empire can’t figure out why people think they’re arrogant? That is, if they even care.
by Section 37 on Jul 9, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bevo probably doesn't care, but I do
Please take another gander at the article you referenced above and let me know if there’s any possibility that the author’s intentions could be construed as an attempt to poke fun at the very stereotype Longhorns fans are most known for and not a reflection of how he actually feels.
Have a nice day.
Sincerely,
54b
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on Jul 11, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rivals
The last ten meetings with Oklahoma, the Huskers are 6-4, 0-fer in the last four meetings. Since this is not a every year deal, I guess I’ve backed away from considering Oklahoma our biggest rival. Even in the 90s when NU dominated the sooners, I found myself feeling sorry for them. On the other hand, Big red is 6-4 in the last ten meetings with Colorado and Missery. I selected the last five years to look at and found the Huskers are 3-2 in the last 5 games with CU with a sub-par 2-3 the last five meetings with MU. For some reason I have hated MU since Brad Smith, I can’t stand to look a Pinkel with that stupid visor, I’ve been to Columbia, it sucked. I’m voting for Missouri to be the next rival.
by husker-in-ok on Jul 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Missery has KU though
Can you have multiple rivals?
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
by JLew on Jul 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But by definition you can only have one most-hated rival. A rival need not be static, either. Circumstances can dictate a change.
Here’s the way I see it (this ended up way longer than I expected):
In the days of the old Big 8, Nebraska was Oklahoma’s rival, and Oklahoma was Nebraska’s rival. That conference was pretty much those two and the six dwarfs. Then, in the late 1980s/early 1990s, Colorado started to get good. They even sort of won a national championship and started beating Nebraska. They were really the first team from the Big 8 to step forward and challenge NU or OU. But NU/OU was still the rivalry in the Big 8.
Fast forward to 1996, when the Big 12 was formed. Due to geographic considerations, OU ends up in the South Division, and the way the schedules were worked out, NU and OU only meet twice every four years. Sorry, but you can’t be true rivals if you don’t meet every year in the regular season, so that ended. Because Colorado had been the first of the old Big 8 schools to challenge Nebraska, by default they became Nebraska’s principal rival (of course Nebraska was already Colorado’s principal rival). It helped that Colorado was still pretty good and both fanbases generally loathe each other.
At about the same time, Bill Snyder was orchestrating a miracle in Manhattan, but K-State wouldn’t beat Nebraska until 1998. Sorry again, but it isn’t a rivalry unless there’s some element of competition, and despite some close® games, that didn’t happen until 1998. That’s not to say that K-State replaced Colorado as Nebraska’s principal rival at that point, because the Buffs were still good, but as a kid about to enter high school in Nebraska at the time, I remember much purple angst.
Anyway, after about 2002, Colorado started to falter, and K-State was in the middle of its last big run under Snyder. Additionally, the Wildcats laid to beatdowns on Nebraska in 2002 and 2003, the latter coming in Lincoln and leading to Steve Pederson’s famous proclamation. With Colorado falling off the stage and K-State ascending to its first conference title since Moses, the Cats officially replaced the Buffs as the primary target of Husker fans’ hatred. Yeah, you still hated CU for being a bunch of ill-mannered hippies, but losing always takes precedence over personal ill-will, and K-State was the team beating you at the time.
That didn’t last long, however, as K-State fell apart in 2004 and 2005, and continued to do so in 2006, 2007 and 2008. So as quickly as we became the principal rival, we just as quickly were not.
At this same time, the North Division became a mess, and the stakes were so lowered that even though the old nemeses stood in each other’s way occasionally (CU winning the division, K-State hammering NU in 2004), it didn’t seem as bitter and hurtful, because a rivalry rarely has much sting if a loss means you’re the 40th best team in the country rather than the 35th. Just as quickly however, Missouri finally shed its perennial underachiever label and started beating the Huskers consistently and winning the North. No amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince your fans that sometimes you just don’t have the team to win the North, so Mizzou beating you up and winning “your” division was an affrront, and the Tigers occupy the place as Nebraska’s principal rival. They will always hate KU first and foremost, but if the result of the MU/NU game carries division title implications, then you will be rivals.
If all this sounds wishy-washy and fake to you, consider this. OU and UT are considered bitter, hateful rivals right now, and it’s true they have a long and stories rivalry predating the Big 12. But I ask you this: if Bob Stoops had not gone to OU in 2000 and the Sooners had remained mired in mediocrity, is there any doubt that Texas would consider A&M its principal rival today, assuming of course that the Aggies hadn’t been beaten retarded by Dennis Franchione and Mike Sherman? I think not. The point is, unless you have a true historical basis for a rivalry, such as the Border War for Mizzou/KU, rivals can and often do change. In an age of relative parity, I expect to see quite a few of these three-to-five year rivalries as one team ascends and others drop off.
Finally, a word about the oft-expressed “we have no rivals” claim. Yes you do. The only way to have no rivals is if you don’t compete or you win all the time, or often enough that an occasional loss is mitigated by later success. By definition the former can never happen, and the latter hasn’t happened since about 1997.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jul 10, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
If all this sounds wishy-washy and fake to you, consider this. OU and UT are considered bitter, hateful rivals right now, and it’s true they have a long and stories rivalry predating the Big 12. But I ask you this: if Bob Stoops had not gone to OU in 2000 and the Sooners had remained mired in mediocrity, is there any doubt that Texas would consider A&M its principal rival today, assuming of course that the Aggies hadn’t been beaten retarded by Dennis Franchione and Mike Sherman? I think not.
No, we really hate the Sooners. When A&M beats us, we just chalk it up to our little brother winning a game or two of Trivial Pursuit. We know we’ll get them the next time. When we loose to OU, well… there is no way to describe the depths of hate and loathing. Even if they are having a bad year (rarely), it doesn’t matter. We’ll kick them when their down. A&M, not so much. There was a lot of sympathy for their program this year. You could hear the comments during the game in November. Yes, we got a good laugh, but overall pity. I’m sure than annoys the hell out of the Aggies and will just add fuel to the fire this year…
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry..
their down… they are down
UT really is a top public university. Oops, there is that arrogance. :-)
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only point was...
…that if OU had remained mired in late-1990s mediocrity and Texas A&M had continued to compete for South Division dominance, the Longhorn sights would be set firmly on College Station. I just think it’s a little too easy to say that you don’t really care that much about A&M when a) they haven’t been beating you with any regularity and, part and parcel of that, b) they haven’t denied you any of the accomplishments you cherish, like division, conference and national titles.
I lived in Texas for three years. I harbor absolutely no illusions about how much you hate Oklahoma…currently.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jul 11, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to imply that we don’t care about A&M, we must certainly do. But between A&M and OU, OU is the much more hated rival. Most Texas people don’t hate A&M, we just find them terribly annoying. It was a royal pain in the a&% when they beat us two years in a row and really shouldn’t have. With OU, it is just basic loathing of the people, state, school, etc.
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
nice explanation.
i like “ill-mannered hippies” best. I tried really hard to write that whole thing without using ‘hippies’ – you can’t imagine how tough that was, but I’m glad you were here to fill it in.
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by Jon Johnston on Jul 11, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the LJS
Mark Mangino was asked the other day which team is Kansas’ more heated rival, Kansas State or Missouri.
I was impressed by his candor.
“We want to win all of our games if we can,” Mangino said on ESPN television. "But, you have to beat Missouri. That’s what I was told by everybody, that Missouri is Kansas’ No. 1 rival. That is something I inherited; I didn’t make that choice.
“We have a great rivalry in-state with Kansas State as well. But I think our fan base has made it pretty clear to me that the Missouri game is very important.”
http://journalstar.com/blog/huskers.php?title=rivalry_discussion&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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by JLew on Jul 11, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So glad we are No. 3...
So, we are only No. 3 on Corn Nation’s hate list.? :-) For once we didn’t get the top spot.
I’d say we hate Colorado, Missouri, and Texas in that order.
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is football
now, if this were an article about college baseball….. or volleyball…. it’d be different.
or if we played you every year in football…. oooooeeeee!
Go Big Red Nebraska!
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by Jon Johnston on Jul 11, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Eight Conference
I am old enough to remember the Big Eight . We always watched the Nebraska-Oklahoma game, rooting for the Cornhuskers, of course. (Any Sooner defeat is a good day for us in Austin.) Those were some great games.
by dimecoverage on Jul 11, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a longhorn fan,
I just have to say Nebraska fans are my favorite fans in the big 12 because yall are classy and always support your team. I think if any non-UT Big 12 team wins the championship I would want it to be Nebraska. I truly the miss the old option offense of NU. I am sorry that if we as Longhorn fans come across as arrogant.
Not to be arrogant, :), I think if yall were in our shoes yall would feel the way we do about our university
by Horns09 on Jul 12, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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