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Big 10 expansion and Nebraska

Hello Cornhusker nation!  Over at the Ohio State SB website We Will Always Have Tempe, we've got a pretty good discussion going on about Big 10 expansion, and a dark horse candidate I've mentioned is Nebraska.  I'm just wondering what you guys think of that idea.  I realize it's not even on the horizon, or a possibility, but just idle speculation and something to ruminate about while we await the beginning of the 2009 season.  So, with that in mind, please enjoy (or fume and rip me, lol):

I’ve enjoyed reading the possibilities of who might become the mythical 12th team if the Big 10 were to, you know, jump into the 21st century and all, so I want to make my case for Nebraska.  I talked about my vision for realignment in an earlier post, and although the consensus seems to be that Notre Dame would be the logical fit, that doesn’t necessarily make it so.  At face value, getting an independent team to join a conference would seem to be easier than luring a team to leave one BCS conference for another, but there are a few things that make Nebraska a prime target of opportunity, if the Big 10 thinks outside of the box.   

 

Benefits for the Conference:

 

It’s freaking Nebraska, one of the most storied programs in college football, with rich tradition and history.  I’m all about living in the now, but there’s nothing wrong with respecting the past and honoring tradition.  It’s one of the things that make college football so special.  And Nebraska, with the Blackshirts, Tom Osborne, four national championships, and a rabid fan base every bit as passionate as what you’ll find in Columbus, fits the bill perfectly.  As for living in the now, they went through their own ‘Rich Rodriguez era’ with Bill Callahan, and have gone through the fire and come out on the other side with Bo Pelini (OSU alum, BTW), who guided them to a 10-4 record and a New Year’s Day Gator Bowl win over Clemson.

 

And oh by the way, the wrestling program is top notch, and would add to the Big 10’s dominance in that sport.  As far as basketball goes, it’s a mid-level program that last made an NCAA tournament appearance in 1998, but is consistently competitive.  Those would be nice additions to the conference, but make no mistake that if this overture were made it would be to attract the football program.

 

Monetarily, it’s a boon for both the conference and the school.  You add Nebraska to the Big 10, and the Big 10 Network gets another look from cable companies currently fighting about where to place them in their lineup, and you add an entire swath of the Midwest to the coverage area.  It means conference championship game, it means playing later in the season, and all that adds up to is money.  Nebraska in the Big 10 means more games on ESPN and ABC, as opposed to the Fox Sports Network, which helps national exposure and recruiting for the school and the conference.  Quick, name the last time you saw Nebraska on TV, other than a bowl game?

 

Drawbacks for the conference:

 

I can see the criticism coming fast and furious from all corners of the sports world, except maybe Fox…and the Big XII.  I can see Herbie, Corso, and Fowler lamenting that the Big 10 looked backward, not forward, in looking towards a new conference member; that the conference looked at a team based on past accomplishments, and not future capabilities, and that’s been the problem with the Big 10 for the last 10 years or so.  But if they’re adding a 12th team for a conference championship, they are looking forward, are they not? 

 

Academically, they would rank last in the Big 10 in the US News and World Report list of top colleges.  The top school, Northwestern, is ranked 12th.  The lowest ranked school is Iowa, ranked 66.  Nebraska?  Um, well…89.  Granted, it’s not Ivy League, but if the Big 10 wanted a 12th team to dominate the NCAA Intramural Chess Championships, they’d call MIT.  Call me crazy, but I don’t think that draws as well as football.

 

Will it Happen?

 

It’s a longshot, but not out of the realm of possibility.

 

A great point was brought up when looking at Missouri that a move from the Big XII to the Big 10 would be a lateral one at best.  For Missouri, I agree.  They have their rivalry with Kansas, and that’s a rivalry as intense as OSU-UM and as old as Minnesota-Wisconsin.  We just don’t know or care about it because it’s a rivalry we didn’t grow up around to appreciate.  Missouri won’t leave the Big 12 for that reason alone.  Nebraska, on the other hand, really has no loyalties or ties to the Big XII, because their rivalry died with the Big 8.  You could make an argument for Nebraska-Missouri, but is it really a rivalry if one team has won only six times since 1975?  You want to jump up and down and say Nebraska-Oklahoma, but that rivalry became all but forgotten when the Big 8 and SWC merged and the new Big XII placed them in separate divisions.  But it was, arguably, the greatest rivalry in college football for a generation, right up there with the 10 Year War.  The winner of the Nebraska-Oklahoma game almost always won the Big 8, and was on the short list for national championship talk, much like the OSU-UM game.  When the Big XII was formed, the thinking at the time could have been to put them in separate divisions because they’ll play each other every year in the conference championship, but how has that worked out?  Well, Texas has eclipsed Nebraska as Oklahoma’s arch rival, and Nebraska’s is…no one.  (As an aside, I think this is the primary example of why Ohio State and Michigan MUST stay in the same division if the conference does expand).

 

If you add Nebraska and you split the conference geographically, I would put Nebraska in the Great Plains (west) division with Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Illinois.  At first glance, Iowa jumps out as a natural, geographic rival which could easily supplant Missouri, and Wisconsin, along with the Hawkeyes, seem like the teams they will perennially contend with for the division crown.  While I doubt that will rise to the level of the old Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry, it's a start.  And if they do align them in a division with OSU and/or Michigan, boom!  Instant rivalry.

 

The last thing I want to look at is the dynamics of the Big XII as it stands today.  Remember, the Big XII merged the Big 8 (midwest/northern schools) with four Texas schools from the Southwest Conference, and it was more a marriage of convenience that allowed them to go toe to toe with the SEC.  Old SWC member Arkansas bolted in 1990 for the SEC, and shortly after the SEC began their conference championship game.  The peace has been kept in the Big XII by rotating the conference championship game between the midwest (KC and St Louis) and Texas.  When the conference was formed, the headquarters took the old Big 8 office buildings and stayed in Kansas City, because most of the teams are closer geographically to KC.  In the last several years, the conference has taken a decidedly southern tack, with the conference headquarters moving to Dallas, and now there is a move afoot to relocate the conference championship game in Jerry Jones’ new billion dollar playground…in Texas.  This does not sit well with the football fans in Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, or Colorado.  The olive branch compromise that’s being floated is that if the football championship moves to Texas permanently, the basketball championship will move to Kansas City permanently.  That might soothe Kansas and Missouri fans, but Nebraska fans?  Basketball is nice filler between the bowl game and spring practice in Lincoln, and football has been and always will be king, which makes this plan unpopular in Cornhusker land.  Nebraska carried the torch for the Big XII in the early days, and now they seem to be an afterthought to the Texas teams and to Oklahoma.

 

On the surface Nebraska is ‘gettable’, and outside of Notre Dame this would be the best solution for the Big 10’s 12th team conundrum.

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I bumped this up...

…since it’s an intriguing idea. I don’t know that NU is a great fit for the Big XI. Travel costs would increase since Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State are all closer than Iowa. But while Nebraska doesn’t bring TV sets, they bring another national name for some premier matchups.

by Husker Mike on May 26, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey

with a “Western Division” of Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Illinois, I’d be for it. I could learn to hate most of those teams, hell, I already hate at least half of them.

I’ve worked with departments at the University of Minnesota for the past 20 years, this conversation has come up on occasion, and the people there always say that Nebraska isn’t a fit academically. Fact is, we’d probably go up on that list since most of it is bullshit anyway (seriously, do you trust those college lists?). It wouldn’t matter if we cured cancer and came up with a replaceable energy source that solved the world’s problems, people will still look at us as “Nebraska”, so that point is moot.

Change can happen. After all, isn’t most of the nation supposed to fall apart soon anyway? :)

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by corn blight on May 27, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You can tell the fans in Indiana...

…that they can thank you for the safer barriers at their world-famous speedway.

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by TB on May 27, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't NU would fit in academically with the B10

Looking at enrollment numbers, size of campus, and satellite campuses, research dollars, and the fact that NU is a land grant institution. Most of it’s peer schools are in the B12.

Now Texas would fit a B10 size school better IMO.

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by JLew on May 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intriguing.

But I’m an advocate of the rebirth of the Big 8. Give Colorado to the Pac10, Baylor and Texas Tech to the WAC, and Iowa State to the Big 10 (not that they’d want them). You’re left with Nebraska, KU, KSU, and Mizzou in the North, and UT, ATM, OU and OKSt in the South. Who wouldn’t watch that? Keep the conference title game, which would have added luster because it would be a guaranteed rematch, and play it in Denver, outside, where everyone has to travel to get there.

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by Cubehead on May 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't do that as proposed

because to have a conference championship game you have to have twelve teams in the conference. And you’re right about wanting Iowa State in the Big 10, at least from my perspective. They bring nothing to the table athletically or academically, except wrestling, which the Big 10 already dominates in.

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by MilCardFan on May 27, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, yeah

but hell, we’re daydreaming, ain’t we?

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by corn blight on May 27, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We sure as hell are

And in my dream world, Nebraska plays Oklahoma every year, Ohio State plays Michigan, and the winner of each respective game plays each other for the national championship.

And the SEC is a regional conference no better than the WAC.

But that’s just me. :)

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by MilCardFan on May 28, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say keep it.

The championship game that you KNEW was going to be a rematch would be the freakin’ boss. Blight is right, as long as we’re daydreaming we can suss it out. The question is this: in this brave new fantasyland, do you keep the geographic divisions, or just have the top two teams play every time? That would yield a bunch of Tejas/OU rematches, at least at first.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."-George Bernard Shaw

by Cubehead on May 28, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck!

Okay, first thing first…five National Championships at Nebraska…not four. You may not be counting the 1997 Split with Michigan. Oh my, what a great lead in for a reason for the two to play each other every year. :)

Also I don’t know too many Husker fans that are big fans of Michigan, Penn St, or Ohio St. I think fans would travel well there. It’s almost all Interstate 80.

But here are some real problems with NU going into the Big 10(12):

1. Do people from Ohio or Pennsylvania even know where Nebraska is at on the map? That is not a slam against their education in Geography. When I spent time in the military it just seemed that when the subject of college football came up the fans of eastern to Midwestern teams knew about Nebraska football but couldn’t tell me where Nebraska exactly was. I even had people ask me if Nebraska even had paved roads…funny thing about that was, they weren’t joking. I would jokingly reply, “The Interstate stops when you enter Iowa and it’s gravel to California.”

2. Husker fans might hate Colorado, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas, but only like a brother hates a brother. Always fighting because we all are trying to say ,“You can’t tell me what to do!” and “Don’t push me or I’ll push you back!” and don’t forget the big “My coach can out coach your coach!” The truth is that I, and I am sure I am not alone on this one, almost always go for our Big XII brothers when they are playing a Big 10 team. It’s a love-hate relationship. I can’t ever imagine screaming, “Go Penn St.!! Kick those Sooner’s butts!” The thought makes me want to vomit. YUCK… to late.

3. Taking Iowa State would be so much more appealing on so many levels. Far to may to say without a separate post. Just think about it. The Big XII could then add on Wyoming from the Mountain West Conference. No doubt that in 5 years Wyoming will be way better than Iowa St. anyway.

4. Finally the biggest reason why Nebraska will stay in the Big XII. All the Big XII states touch on the map. It’s just so orderly and neat. :)

Thanks for reading. Feel free to gag or laugh. I did both.

by HuskerFaithful1 on May 27, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I hope nobody misinterprets my reason #1. When I said, “… do people from Ohio” I was just referring to Ohio St. and Penn St. fans. I do realize the connection that our Great Coach is a Youngstown native. I also realize that our former Coach Solich is coaching Ohio. It could have been that the people I talked to were on the bottom step of the intelligence ladder. This would be a good place to say…Insert foot into mouth.

by HuskerFaithful1 on May 27, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

enjoyed reading all your opinions on all this

a very similar post started at the CU site a few months ago about moving to the Pac-10, but… Wyoming to replace ISU in the Big 12? Wyoming??? I don’t think so. I’d take CSU in a heartbeat over Wyoming and still they wouldn’t exactly be ideal.

by nebraskasux on May 30, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Wyoming you ask? Here is why...

A new coaching staff that will put Wyoming football on the national map.

New Head Coach Dave Christensen, Assistant Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator at Missouri since 2001. As far as I remember Missouri didn’t become extremely competitive until that time. He knows Big XII football and what it’s all about. He can bring a high power no huddle spread offense to Wyoming and have it in place and working in 5 years. He also brought in some great assistant coaches that fit what he wants to do. I would even go out on a limb and say that in 2014, Wyoming will be a top 25 team.

CSU??? Please They may a fair team but in 5 years the Cowboys will be herding the Rams. CSU is an average team. Not on the way up and not on the way down. CSU would only separate the Big XII by bringing in the CSU/CU rivalry. On the other hand CSU does have a nasty habit of crushing CU dreams so maybe they should be allowed in. CU can “Buff” my Corncob.

by HuskerFaithful1 on Jun 3, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wyoming would be a horrible pick

You can’t just look at a program’s coach and say that they are a “good” fit because he “might” have them semi-competitive in 4 years. That is absurd! Frankly Wyoming isn’t even on the same playing field money-wise and facility-wise as the lowliest programs in the Big XII. The % chance for Wyoming to be competitive in the Big XII is almost zero. Also remember that most likely all sports for that school would be included, I don’t think the Big XII wouldn’t follow the lead of the Bid East and have different line ups for BB vs. FB. A program with a much better history of winning and that is almost on par with the Big XII would make more sense. How about TCU or trying to grab Arkansas out of the SEC? I also think Utah would be a great get, a bit farther West than CO but it would fall in the North easier than the other 2 I mentioned.

by caveman99 on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A new coaching staff

that puts Wyoming on the map will not be at Wyoming for long.

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by JLew on Jun 4, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

58–19–2

That’s CU’s all-time record against CSU. But I was keeping it civil, I’m not talking about CU, I’m not talking about Nebraska, I’m talking about Wyoming. Have you ever been to Laramie? Do you think they have Division I caliber facilities, yet alone Big 12 caliber? Could they recruit against Big 12 teams? No way in hell. They make Iowa State look like USC (which ISU seems to be trying to do with their uniforms anyway). I have nothing at all against Wyoming but they are a second-rate program, even for the Moutain West. TCU, Arkansas, Utah, CSU, I can see the merits of other people’s suggestions, but I’m sorry, you’re just wrong. I’ll go out on a limb and say that Wyoming will never make the top 25 IN MY LIFETIME (and I’m pretty young) yet alone in the next 3 years. I don’t care who their coach is.

by nebraskasux on Jun 5, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Wyoming

to the Big XII and out with Iowa State. Or Colorado State and out with Iowa State. I think Iowa State would be better served in the Big 10. They are almost like the stepchild of the Big XII. McCartney had them on the way up but they bailed on him so they are getting what they deserve. He has done very well for himself at South Florida. The situation may be similar to Nebraska with Solich, carma isn’t it interesting. I just think Iowa State would be a better fit in the Big 10 with their biggest rival already there. I would probably watch that game if it was an conference battle. It would have some impact further than just bragging rights in Iowa. No offense to Iowa intended, but outside of residents there, nobody cares who wins that game. If it had Big 10 implications which no doubt will affect BCS bowl births it would payed more attention. Although I have watched that game before and it is a very hard faught affair. Who knows what will happen but I think if Ferentz at Iowa doesn’t make some waves this year his seat is going to get very warm. Turner Gill to Iowa I could see it happening. But, I would rather see Wiess out at Notre Dame and in with Gill. Call me crazy but I could see that happening also. Gill just reminds me of Tony Dungy he leads by example, soft spoken, and lacks the big ego that plagues Notre Dame right now.

by Huzkerfan on Jun 4, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get all of this love for Wyoming?

Seriously, the Iowa State issue asside, Wyoming to the Big XII? I said it above, and nebraskasux said it much more fiercely than I did, Wyoming is barely a DIV I school. ISU is heads and heals above Wyoming in tradition, facilities, and resources, it isn’t even close. Adding a school like Wyoming to the Big XII would be horrible, think of K-State in the 70’s and 80’s then add in the fact that KSU at least has more resources than Wyoming.

by caveman99 on Jun 5, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ISU isn't a good fit for the Big Ten

Their football isn’t good, their basketball isn’t good, their academics are nothing spectacular, and they don’t bring in a new tv market. The only thing they bring to table is wrestling and the rivalry with Iowa (Which some Iowa fans don’t care about, or at least that’s the impression I’ve gotten).

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 5, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you're between Colorado and California

1. I kid, I kid.

2. I get the hating like you hate a brother kind of thing, but being in the military (or was) i was stationed with a fair amount of ’Husker fans, that were PISSED about the way things were going down in the Big XII, ie the Texas favoritism, perceived or real. A lot of them thought that going to another conference would be a great way to stick it in the eye of the Big XII and make them scramble to find another team.

3. Iowa State might be appealing from the Big XII perspective, but not from the Big 10 point of view. What do they bring to the conference? Nothing, except a good wrestling program and an over-rated rivalry with Iowa.

4. Can’t beat geography on that one.

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by MilCardFan on May 27, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for it the HELL with texas

I’m all for the Huskers going to the big10(12)!!! When the big 12 was made up who was the golden team Nebraska! but yet what did nebraska get with the big12 thats right NOTHING AT ALL. We losts are long time rival who we had far more better games with then Texas has ever had. On top of that just look at how the schools are set up north and south are you jiding me there are 4schools in the south who have the money to realy put into thier sports (TU,TA&M,OU,andOSU) and only 2 in the north (NU,KU) and all 4 from the south rank higher then KU who we all know is a baskerball shoo not football, and now they want to move the big12 championship game to Texas also. Ofcource they do they have got every advantage in college football sofar with great rivalries, great recruiting ground, and funds I mean realy why would’t they want home field advantage also. The big 12 headed by giving into Texas on every litle thing they want so that they dont get up set is a joke, The big 12 cares nothing about making a stronger confrance only about making a better big12 south. So yes I say Nebraska go go to the big 10(12) andd the hell with the big 12 south. This would show the world how lame the big 12 is and would make the old big 10 the new big 12. The only reason that Nebraska should stay in the big 12 if we got an envite to the big 10 would be if the big 12 stoped giving into Texas and became the big 12 east and west this would even things out and make the big 12 more compeditive in all area recruiting, funds, and rivalries. By having 4 teams with funding abilites on one side and 3 on the others with good rivalries on both sides NU-OU on one side TU,TA&M on the othe. But at this point in time right now I say Nebraska go for the big 12 get the hell out of this mess. On last thig can someone anyone realy say that the big 12 is better than the big 8 was? yes I know it was a 2 team l system but OUandUN along with CU all have NC to show for its sucsess

by WillyBoy on May 28, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't get so mad because...

While I can understand your frustration with the trend the Big XII seems to be taking it’s just business. Don’t you think other college baseball teams from all over the nation get upset because where do they have to go…? Omaha Nebraska. The only location to the College World Series since 1950. So any argument about it being unfair that we would have to attend a championship game in Texas every year will never be taken seriously by the big wigs of the Big XII. Nebraska and Oklahoma were the studs of the Big 8 there is no denying that fact. But the time of the creation of the Big XII was also around the same time as roster rule/ recruiting changes were being put in place(quality over quantity). It was then only a matter of time before we were not the only big boys on the block anymore. Also the kids being recruited were starting to change as well. Now the teams were starting to even out a little and kids from Texas didn’t have to leave Texas for a chance to get recognized by the NFL scouts. It was only a matter of time until Texas became a powerhouse as well. The best recruits usually left Texas to other programs like LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and so forth but that has changed for the most part. It’s the same reason teams like Missouri and Kansas can keep their instate players. Nebraska used to always get the cream of the crop from those two states.

I seem to ramble a bit but my point is that times are changing and the glory days have nothing to do with the Big 8 or the Big XII or where they are located. The best teams show up and the best team wins. They could have the game in Alaska and the stadium would still bleed red with Husker Fans. You want to show how tough NU can be, then bring the motto “Any Place, Any Time!” But not “Screw the Big XII, we are outa here.”

By the way, playing championship games in the same state that we want to recruit kids out of…Big Positive. If the headquarters are in Dallas and so are the Championship games then that it a good thing for us because the Dallas/Fort Worth area is the area NU recruits the hardest in Texas.

We should be beating Texas so badly that we make them want to reform the Southwest Conference where they could continue beating up on Rice and Houston.

I can say that I agree with you in your frustrations. The Big 8 headquarters were in KC and the SWC was in Irving. Now the Big XII headquarters are in Irving. It was their conference that broke up and became part of ours, not the other way around.

GO HUSKERS!!!

by HuskerFaithful1 on May 28, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Major Reason Why NU wouldn't benefit from a move to the Big X?

Recruiting. A good portion of NU’s talent comes from states that follow the Big XII, especially Texas. If you don’t think that is big, read comments from potentials, especially in Texas, that mention that they know of NU because they play in the Big XII. Moving to the Big X hurts in this regard. NU doesn’t have a strong presence in the traditional Big X recruiting grounds.

by caveman99 on May 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But would a move open up recruiting doors in other parts of the country?

Not saying it’s a given, just saying that if Nebraska moves, they get exposure in parts of the country they didn’t before, and it might help make up for areas they could lose ground in.

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by MilCardFan on May 28, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas is huge for Nebraska though

NU would have to make a lot of ground to replace lost Texas recruiting ties.

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by JLew on May 29, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

Trying to make up for what NU can get in Texas by scouring Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, etc. is not a preferable choice. There is so much talent in Texas, that despite big boys like Texas and Oklahoma, there is a lot to pull from. And once you have established ties there, like NU currently does, winning a few battles with Texas and Oklahoma is possible. Leave the Big XII and you loose the exposure that allows those kids in Texas to see NU as a player.

by caveman99 on May 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(From a southeasterner) The Big 10 is a conference full of teams that are slow and boring and can’t win football games. TV also loves them way too much and they can’t live up to the hype. The Big 12 is made up of flashy and mysterious teams that you have heard of buy never get to watch on TV because of regional sports programming. All last year I heard the complaint: “I don’t get to watch the Big 12 [or Pac-10]. That is some exciting football.” No one wants to watch the Big-10. It puts us to sleep.

Nebraska in the Big 10 could add some flash for a little bit but probably not.

by Winfield Featherston on May 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh, it's all cyclical

The reason the SEC and Big XII expanded and went to the divisions with the Championship game format was because the Big 10 was head and shoulders above the other two conferences in terms of talent and prestige at the time. The SEC and B XII have both done a great job of marketing their CCG (ACC hasn’t) and the Big 10 didn’t adjust, and that’s cost them in terms of everything save revenue.

The Big 10 is down, but they won’t be down forever. When the Big XII was formed, the North division was considered the tougher of the two divisions with Nebraska and Colorado, IIRC, and that’s changed. The Big 10, rightly or wrongly, clings to tradition, and I don’t have a problem with that, because it’s the traditions, rivalries, and trophy games within the conference that helped make the Big 10 great. The conference does need to evolve, but you can strike a balance bewtween the two.

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by MilCardFan on May 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Big 10 is a conference full of teams that are slow and boring and can’t win football games.

Look up the all-time Big Ten vs. SEC bowl results since Penn State joined in ‘93. It’s not anywhere near as good as you may think. If it wasn’t for Ohio State choking, then the Big Ten wouldn’t take the bashing it does. The rest of the conference does all right for itself.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 5, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems this idea pops every year or so

Here’s an article talking about Bai 10 expansion from last year.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA080307_WEBBig12Insider_en_dc89e534_html7822.html

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by JLew on May 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

I agree with some points and disagree with some others.

Nebraska geographically speaking is in a bit of a tweener position. They could fit with the Big 10 but if you break down the conference and keep OSU and UM in the same conf then geographically speaking you’ll have to have PSU there too as well as MSU and if you’re going that route Purdue and Indiana round it out.

Conversely you’d have Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. This is about on par with the Big XII north, the eastern conference would be much more difficult, I’d imagine the Big 10 would be counting on Nebraska to carry to flag for the West. But that’s not really an issue just a thought.

I agree with the financial aspect of it for Nebraska. It’s a huge revenue increase.

Recruiting wise it may help nationally but it will hurt regionally. Texas is the place to be and Nebraska would have to build relationships with all of the high schools in Big 10 country. No small feat.

I disagree with you about the Big XII not holding rivals for Nebraska. Yes the OU NU rivalry is all but dead but the teams in the North all have storied histories with us. We’ve been playing Kansas for over 100 years. I don’t think you just let go of those rivalries easily.

It’s an interesting idea and it has some great upside but I don’t think Nebraska should break tradition like that. Sure if we were Missouri or Iowa State we’d consider it. But we’re not. To steal a line from you We’re Freakin Nebraska!

And a couple quick corrections. Our basketball team is not competitive. We suck. And that’s 5 national titles not 4.

by Beerdrinkinbreathstinkinsniffinglue on Jun 11, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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