Questions for The Texas Longhorns That Husker Fans Want To Ask
Normally what you'd get this week is me doing a Q&A with the lead guy of the Texas site, Burnt Orange Nation (BON). Instead, what we've decided to do is to try to bring our two communities together for some football geekin'.
That means - I'll ask a bunch of questions about Texas, and Peter will invite his community over here to answer them. I know that BON has some football geeks over there, and I'm pretty sure we've got them here, so it could be a lot of fun.
In order for this to work, people need to remain civil. This isn't a thread for smack-talk or trolling, and if comments like that arise, I'll delete them.
Consider these "starter" questions. You're free to ask your own (on both sides) and start whatever game and football-related questions you like.
General:
- What is it that ‘Horns fans have against Greg Davis?
- Does Texas come into this game healthy?
- How much game planning do you expect (offensive coordinator) Greg Davis to do around Nebraska's two tackles, Ndamukong Suh and Jared Crick?
- Let's say Nebraska takes away the deep ball and effectively stops the zone read. That gives Colt McCoy the under routes. Is this the best approach to stopping the ‘Horn offense?
- Both defenses are highly ranked, played similar competition all season. This game sets itself up to be a slugfest similar to the game both teams played against Oklahoma. Why do you think otherwise, or do you feel the same way?
When Nebraska Has the Ball:
- Nebraska will be running a lot of heavy sets, obviously. Do you expect that (defensive coordinator) Will Muschamp will be stacking the box, or will he play base, believing that is good enough to stop the Huskers on offense?
- What are the soft spots on your defense that Nebraska can exploit?
Special Teams
Nebraska has had extraordinary special teams play this season. What does Texas have going for them here?
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To Texas Fans
I was curious about the defensive side of the ball. Who are your playmakers & what are some stats to back up your defensive presenc?…if they is one.
4 guys to watch on D
Lamarr Houston anchors our D-line, Sergio Kindle is our athletic rush end, Roddrick Muckelroy is our playmaking LB, Earl Thomas is an absolute stud of a safety
what are some stats to back up your defensive presenc?…if they is one
I’m not sure what this means.
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by run Bevo run on Dec 3, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's tongue in cheek for
“I see that you only have 0 first team Big XII defensive lineman. That must mean that their statistics, like tacklin’ and shit, are indicative of their lousy strength of schedule.”
Apologies to site editor Jon but somebody has to monitor your homer posters commentary a little tighter, right?
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I'm sure your question is rhetorical and only to get a rise out of us, but...
The simplest answer is, Texas is in the Big XII and TCU is in the Mountain West.
What TCU is doing is commendable and good for all of college football. However, TCU needs to worry more about getting passed by Cincy. BCS is about matching 1 v 2 and TCU does not fulfill those requirements because they are a feel good story.
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by run Bevo run on Dec 3, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'll answer with a question
Is Nebraska better than Utah? If so, then UT’s second best win will be better than TCU’s second best win. If UT doesn’t beat Nebraska, then they clearly don’t belong in the title game.
If Nebraska isn’t at least Utah’s equal, I don’t know what to tell you.
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by learned hand on Dec 3, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Let me answer with a question as well
Would you ask the same question right now of a Florida or Alabama fan? If not, why not?
Not being snarky, just curious. The relative rankings for Florida, Alabama and Texas have been more or less fluid all season (although Florida has generally received a few more votes than Texas), and most media that I’ve seen have seemed to consider all three teams more or less of equal strength. Yet the focus has been more on Texas than the two SEC teams as to who is taking up a potential spot of a “more deserving” TCU or Cincinnati. My guess is that it’s the home-state angle driving TCU’s focus on Texas, but nevertheless I haven’t seen anyone arguing that TCU would be more deserving (or a better team) than the two SEC schools.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 3, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
As far as stopping the Horns offense
I dont think taking away the deep ball(not that big a part of the arsenal) is going to stop the offense. Texas offense is centered around Colt making smart pre-snap decisions and accurate short passes and letting the wideouts make plays. If they dont bust it, its still 4-7 yards per catch and the Horns stay ahead of the chains. What I think Nebraska could do to slow that down, not sure how good NU’s corners are, is to force the receivers off of their short routes and try to confuse Colt with different defensive looks(he admitted being confused a lot against OU).
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Hmm...
Sounds pretty much like what Nebraska does. They play a lot of bump and run coverage. Despite what Peter and other Texans have said, NU’s corner’s are very good. Prince Amukamara is a physical, redirect and route disruption corner in an Al Harris-Charles Woodson kind of mode. He isn’t the fastest (not slow, either), but nobody gets off the line clean against him. Alfonzo Dennard is very fast and generally doesn’t get thrown to because he has his guy covered too well. He doesn’t get how to bait a passer into making a bad throw yet, but he does a good job of sticking with his guy.
The person you can probably expose the most will be Eric Hagg. Hagg is a big, physical corner whose probably more of a safety, but NU plays him as their nickel guy because he’s got some linebacker in him and is a good blitzer. While he generally sticks with his man well in coverage, he doesn’t play the ball very well when it comes his way. You can see this again and again against Colorado. He is a very good tackler, however.
Dejon Gomes will play a lot, as well. He’s NU’s Dime back and with the exception of the Kansas game has played very well (although he did force a fumble in that game). What happened against Kansas? Well, KU moved Kerry Meier around to get him matched up on Gomes, and he repeatedly got beat by the veteran. Don’t be surprised if Texas tries to get Shipley matched up on him. The Nebraska papers even asked Gomes about the possibility and he of course said he would be ready for it, but I have my doubts.
To recap: Nebraska plays physical, bump and run defense from the corner position. They play a good deal of man although they also mix in some zone (but disguise it well, and they still bump even when in Zone). They do a lot to try and confuse the QB, and I expect them to blitz a great deal more in this game than they have in past games. If they can get pressure from their front for early, however, it could be a long night for Texas. But the front four has been a little weak down the stretch. Ever since Oklahoma, when they played 87 snaps of some of the best Defensive football I’ve ever seen Nebraska put together, they haven’t been able to control the line of scrimmage as well as they did during the first half of the year. So I think this game comes down to which defensive line is able to create more problems for the opposing offensive line, and given the way the last few weeks have gone I have to give the edge to Texas there. Unless the blackshirts revert to their Oklahoma game and before ways, I don’t know what chance Nebraska has with that anemic offense.
by carlinthemarlin on Dec 4, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
what is amazing
about Prince Amukamara is that he never played corner until he came to Nebraska. that’s one reason why he wasn’t on anyone’s charts with regards to knowing how well he can defend.
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So
do you guys think that NU will match up Prince with Jordan Shipley no matter where Jordan goes, or does he play one side of the field no matter who’s there? Or do you think because of his more physical nature, he would be better served covering Malcolm Williams or Dan Buckner, two of our bigger receivers?
The "Big Bang" was actually a Will Muschamp chestbump......with the Earth!
Nebraska has had extraordinary special teams play this season. What does Texas have going for them here?
A mixture of greatness and awfulness. The great: Return game has made big plays all year (6 TDs I think). Shipley has made a couple of bone-headed plays but has 2 TDs. Goodwin isn’t a good KR yet but has world class speed and can score if he gets a crease (see A&M game).
Watch out for the punt block.
Hunter Lawrence is a very good FG kicker.
The awful:
Kickoff coverage is embarrassing. Kickoffs themselves are also lacking.
not to mention
some breakdowns the Horns have had in the punting game. The rugby style punts have been bad for most of the year outside 2 or 3 that I can think of.
The "Big Bang" was actually a Will Muschamp chestbump......with the Earth!
This is where Niles Paul has a chance to be a major factor
The kid can flat-out kill on returns, and that’s not a good matchup when UT has been having big problems in covering kickoffs.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 4, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
So let's begin
“What is it that ‘Horns fans have against Greg Davis? "
- My main problem with Davis is failing to utilize our weapons properly. I know we have evolved in to more of a passing team but I feel that we have lost our balance.
Piggybacking off the last question…
“Let’s say Nebraska takes away the deep ball and effectively stops the zone read. That gives Colt McCoy the under routes. Is this the best approach to stopping the ‘Horn offense?”
- This would be the most effective way of stopping Texas. However, our young receivers have come along enough and I feel Tre Newton has been effective enough running the ball and catching it out of the backfield that I feel though Texas may not be able to run right up the middle against Nebraska we will still be able to move the ball effectively.
“Both defenses are highly ranked, played similar competition all season. This game sets itself up to be a slugfest similar to the game both teams played against Oklahoma. Why do you think otherwise, or do you feel the same way?”
- I think if you stood back and look at this you could possibly call the Texas and Nebraska defenses equally dominant. You can not make the same case for the Texas and Nebraska offense. Texas’ offense, over the past 6 games especially, has been explosive. You cannot say the same about Nebraska’s offense.
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also the oklahoma score is misleading
we didn’t have a great offensive game plan
the fumble on the goal line
and a couple (?) of interceptions in scoring territory
Response to a few:
Greg Davis – any resentment toward GD is by no means universal, but the general thought is that his play calling is very vanilla. This seems to have been less of an issue lately.
Muschamp/Defense – I suspect that following the A&M game, we will see some base sets with, yes, the expectation that our D is good enough to stop the Husker offense. I expect to see our defense do what they do best with less scheming and more of what’s been working all season. What spots can be exploited? Assuming corrections are made from last week, particularly in the secondary, I’m not sure if there are any.
TCU – learned handed said it well. If we win out against Neb, then compares wins. And Big XII vs MWC has to mean something. But, I will reiterate that TCU is very good and I would love to see them compete. Flawed system, no doubt.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions
What is it that ‘Horns fans have against Greg Davis?
He’s not a good offensive coordinator.
Does Texas come into this game healthy?
Very healthy. WR John Chiles missed the A&M game, but some Texas fans saw that as a blessing in disguise, as he had been taking snaps away from the vastly more talented Malcolm Williams, who ended up having a big game. I won’t shed any tears if he doesn’t play Saturday.
Deon Beasley was carted off the field on Thanksgiving. Don’t know if he’ll play. He’s our 3rd or 4th CB.
Can’t think of anything else.
Both defenses are highly ranked, played similar competition all season. This game sets itself up to be a slugfest similar to the game both teams played against Oklahoma.
I expect it to be a bit more comfortable than the OU game. Colt will play better than he did in that game, and Texas will ride defense and field position to win by a couple of TDs.
As neutral observers, what do Husker fans think about Greg Davis?
You’ll find Horn fans split. A majority (if one goes by the frequency of message board outbursts) seem to dislike GD. I consider myself to be in what seems to be the minority camp, often flabbergasted that any OC who’s coached offenses as prolific as the Horns have had over the last five season can still be the subject of such fury.
So what do y’all think of our coordinator? Would you take him if theoretically available?
I agree that Texas fans are split on GD
Although I’d actually argue that the GD haters are a very vocal internet minority. Among the longhorns fans/alums I deal with in “real life”, none of them truly dislike GD. Far from it.
Almost the exact same thing happened to Mack Brown when he was first hired. His internet support seemed to grow very slowly over the years.
By contrast, everyone seems to rally behind Muschamp — internet or otherwise.
Given the way our respective offenses have gone this year, I think any Texas fans bitching about Greg Davis should probably, what’s the acronym?, STFU. Texas has the third ranked offense in scoring in the country, and 11th over all. Those are both high rankings. Do I have to spell this out?
I would absolutely take Greg Davis if available. A lot of Husker fans and media want to give Shawn Watson a pass because of the youth and injuries on that side of the ball, but the truth is neither the youth nor the injuries are nearly as pronounced a problem for the Husker as they are for, say, Oklahoma, a team whose offense isn’t spectacular but is still way ahead of Nebraska’s. Watson’s best offense ever was last years top 15 unit, lead by a fifth year senior at QB and both wideout spots and going up against one of the worst iteration of Big XII defenses ever week after week. And it still took him an ass whooping against Missouri to get to that scheme, the one that finished in the top 15. So, having to deal with Watson, who I think never should have strayed from his WCO routes and gone to this spread stuff which he clearly doesn’t get how to run (ditto for the power stuff we’re using this year), I really, really, really don’t get Texas fans complaining about Greg Davis.
by carlinthemarlin on Dec 4, 2009 7:10 AM CST up reply actions
Part of Greg Davis’ success is the level of talent at Texas. What he does with that talent is what causes the most discussion.
Once Pelini and Watson build the program, and they will, the Husker offense will improve just because the talent level has improved. Then Corn Nation can enjoy complaining about Shawn Watson on a weekly daily basis. It is a good problem to have.
by dimecoverage on Dec 4, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
The silent majority think overall Davis has done an excellent job
He puts together his best plans for big games. Something like 44 of 67 of the 500+ yard games in UT history have come under Mack Brown and Greg Davis, undoubtedly the most prolific in our history.
The running game gets a lot of criticism (admittedly from old schools like myself) but it is basically a pass-first spread offense and the running game is much better with McCoy included and stability at running back. His running makes the zone blocking scheme, an innovation I’m still working on coming to terms with, much more effective. We didn’t run him much early in the year in order to keep him healthy but when he’s on the move in the zone read our running game can hurt you.
Davis plays a sort of cat and mouse game not showing much against weaker opponents but rather saving certain wrinkles for big games. You might see a few of these Saturday. Because of that the offense sometimes looks stagnant against lesser competition so he draws a lot of criticism that he isn’t innovative or imaginative.
Sure there are failures. Our version of the Wildcat was horrible and our empty set is not my favorite but it’s hard to argue with the overall results. I personally wouldn’t trade him anybody.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Here are my thoughts as a Texas fan
The biggest criticism with Davis that you usually hear is uneven play-calling, but when it boils down to it, what fan hasn’t played armchair coordinator and criticized play selection? There are other issues such as a lack of getting some playmakers more involved in the game plan, but I’m not a film room geek so I couldn’t really break it down for you as well as some other guys at BON.
I’ve heard reports Shipley isn’t 100%. I think that is the most significant injury by far. Even if he isn’t catching passes, the attention he commands from the defense in big.
I honestly have no idea how Davis will attack the Husker defense. Personally I would employ an ABS gameplan (Anyone but Suh). Attack the edges, move the pocket to create throwing lanes since Suh is great at batting down balls. I haven’t watched much Husker football admittedly, so I’m not sure what the team’s defensive identity is, but I imagine it centers around the big man in the middle blowing up plays.
I think the best way to stop Texas is to take away the short passing game. That’s Texas’ offensive identity. Make Texas have to make big plays to move the ball. If we can’t run and can’t complete short passes, Texas will be frustrated offensively.
I certainly believe it will be a defensive battle. I don’t think anyone will deny Texas is a more complete team, but if they lose the turnover battle, NU can do just enough to hang on for a tight win. Texas can make big plays defensively in their own right however and if that happens, I believe it’ll be a blowout.
I think Muschamp and the defense as a whole is confident they can line up in their base set and stop anyone. That said, he’s great at making adjustments during the game. I’m really looking forward to seeing how the defense performs against a power rushing attack for obvious reason.
As far as soft spots defensively, Chykie Brown has shown he can fall asleep defensively and get beat for a big play. Curtis Brown has problems with defending big, physical receivers and lastly I’d say Blake Gideon is our last obvious defensive weak point. Early in the game, the defense also has a habit of over-pursuing, so misdirection plays can be effective until they settle down.
Texas has a pretty good return game. We’ve returned I believe 3 kick-offs and a punt for TDs this year. DJ Monroe (who has 2 TD returns) is suspended unfortunately, but Marquise Goodwin proved he’s just as deadly last week against a&m. Texas’ kick coverage however doesn’t inspire a ton of confidence.
Hope we’re treated to a great game on Saturday and good luck in you all’s bowl game.
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Nebraska’s d-line is predicated on getting their hands up if they can’t get pressure. Pierre Allen and Barry Turner are very good at breaking up the swing pass, especially if they can’t force the pocket to collapse. While they aren’t very speedy, they take really good angles, have great pursuit and have deceptive quickness from sideline to sideline, same goes for the interior line, it’s not uncommon to see the d-line make tackles 5-10 yards upfield.
I’m really excited about this matchup, Nebraska’s nickle and dime packages are equal to Texas’. Much like the d-line, what they lack in speed they make up for in angles…
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What I want to know...
is how the D-line will attack the LOS. Do they do some stunts, pinch in, pin ears back and go after Colt, or play wide and contain?
You’re DT’s are outstanding, but it depends mainly on how Colt reads the DE as to whether he keeps it or not. How well have Nebraska’s D-Line handled the zone read this year? Have they faced a team that legitimately runs it?
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
that's just it
we don’t know either. they mix this up quite a bit.
given McCoy’s tendency to extend plays and scramble well, the line won’t try to charge straight upfield. they’ll keep everything in front of them.
they have done some stunts, but KU’s misdirection hurt them in that area…I wouldn’t expect too much stunting unless your offensive line is stonewalling the D-line.
Zone Read later….
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by Jon Johnston on Dec 4, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Assuming a Texas win
(which I’m sure most are) which team would you guys rather face: Tebow, I mean Florida, or Alabama?
Hadoken!!
Another split decision...
I’d rather see Bama.
Many of my fellow fans/alums want to face a senior Tebow in January, because they think our win would “remove all doubt” as to who the national champion would be.
Good question.
I'd rather play Alabama . . .
. . .and it’s all because of the tolerability of the pre-game build-up. If it’s Florida, it will be just like 2005 all over again, except that there will be a non-stop focus on the incredible awesomeness of one player in particular rather than on a team as a whole. I would say that December 28 is the over/under day on which my TV would bite the dust because I threw something at it.
If we play Bama, I would hope that the pre-game hype would be a bit more balanced.
I like the action
as I would probably take the under.
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Not assuming anything here...but Florida
Our biggest blowups offensively have been against outstanding defensive tackles. Right up your alley. And our defense wasn’t too sharp last week.
I would rather see Tebow and Florida. He and Colt could fight it out for the right hand of God.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Answers
General:
- What is it that ‘Horns fans have against Greg Davis?
Many fans just blame him for anything and everything because it is popular to do. For those who actually think of good reasons to criticize him, the complaints will vary. Generally, it’ll be about A) Vanilla or bad situational play-calling B) Unimaginative gameplans C) Slow adjustments. All of that may be summed up in the admittedly vague complaint, “He doesn’t put his players in the best position to succeed.”
There are a few examples of this during this year, such as not giving Malcolm Williams significant reps early in the season or Marquis Goodwin, ignoring the run game for long stretches, and not taking more chances downfield. After the OU game, it seemed Mack and GD received a wake up call and things have opened up significantly. He’s not a bad coordinator (at least, not as bad as some make him out to be), but he does have his flaws.
- Does Texas come into this game healthy?
No. Aaron Williams, our top corner, is not 100% after a knee injury against Kansas, Deon Beasley, if he plays, may not be 100%, Chiles is hurt, and I heard Shipley is knicked up. Also, while this is not an injury, D.J. Monroe is out indefinitely because of suspension. We also lost senior staring linebacker Jared Norton to injury early in the season, but that was a long time ago.
When Texas Has The Ball:
- How much game planning do you expect (offensive coordinator) Greg Davis to do around Nebraska’s two tackles, Ndamukong Suh and Jared Crick?
I imagine GD will not ask any of our lineman to handle Suh alone on most downs. We’ll probably try to attack the edges, maybe use Goodwin on some reverses, and also move the pocket around. One possibility is that Texas goes to its jet tempo to test the conditioning and the depth of the NU D-line.
- Let’s say Nebraska takes away the deep ball and effectively stops the zone read. That gives Colt McCoy the under routes. Is this the best approach to stopping the ‘Horn offense?
The best approach has typically been to keep two safeties deep and keep the corners up to jump the short routes, or at the least, tackle immediately after the catch. This is easier said than done, especially with the offense opening up for Texas the last several weeks, but it’s been the setup with the most success. It’s also not always the easiest thing to tackle guys like Shipley and Malcolm Williams right after the catch; Williams in particular has the strength and size to stiff-arm defensive backs into the ground and trot off for several more yards. In any case, you can try to make Colt throw where you want him based on the defensive look to and zone-in on that.
Oh, and if Nebraska sees the empty set, they should blitz the tar out of Colt since our O-line seems to screw up there.
- Both defenses are highly ranked, played similar competition all season. This game sets itself up to be a slugfest similar to the game both teams played against Oklahoma. Why do you think otherwise, or do you feel the same way?
I think it will be a defensive battle, but I do not think it will be nearly as ugly for Texas as it was against Oklahoma. Greg Davis came in with an awful gameplan against OU and didn’t adjust until halftime, Colt was apparently sick and played poorly, and we turned the ball over three times in scoring territory. Colt has played brilliantly lately and Davis has seemed to have slowly figured out how to better use our weapons.
When Nebraska Has the Ball:
- Nebraska will be running a lot of heavy sets, obviously. Do you expect that (defensive coordinator) Will Muschamp will be stacking the box, or will he play base, believing that is good enough to stop the Huskers on offense?
That’s a good question. He may come out in a base look, but I would not mind stacking the box and seeing if the Huskers can do anything through the air.
- What are the soft spots on your defense that Nebraska can exploit?
Blake Gideon and Nolan Brewster are smart players, but they are guys without the athleticism that we see from guys like Earl Thomas, Curtis Brown, and Aaron Williams. Gideon has played mostly well all year, despite the disdain from many Texas fans, but his lack of range at safety can be taken advantage of. Furthermore, Chykie Brown, while talented, has shown a tendency to have brain farts that lead to big plays this season, and Nebraska might get lucky enough to get something cheap if he falls asleep.
Special Teams
Nebraska has had extraordinary special teams play this season. What does Texas have going for them here?
A lot. Jordan Shipley is one of the best punt returners in the country, both of our place kickers (Hunter Lawrence and Ryan Bailey) are consistent, and we can block punts. Also, we have returned three kickoffs for touchdowns this year, but two of those belong to D.J. Monroe, who will not play. Goodwin has the speed to match Monroe but is not as good of a returner all around.
The big problem here is kickoff coverage. We stunk early in the year, got better in the middle, and have regressed the last two weeks.
I hope that helps.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 AM CST reply actions
Offensive coordinator
Many fans just blame him (Greg Davis) for anything and everything because it is popular to do.
I’m beginning to think the same of how Husker fans feel about our offensive coordinator Shawn Watson. At the beginning of the season, people were worried about him leaving. Now probably more than half would like to see him fired. I disagree with that, I honestly think he’s doing as well as he can with what he has this year…. but that’s probably for another thread.
Oh, and if Nebraska sees the empty set, they should blitz the tar out of Colt since our O-line seems to screw up there.
Something for Husker fans to watch for during the game. Another question on offensive line below.
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On the Greg Davis issue:
A lot of Texas fans don’t like Greg Davis because they assume, apparently with almost no evidence, that he is the reason for anything bad that ever happens on offense at Texas. It’s more than a little annoying, to be honest.
The evidence is valid if you choose to believe it
If you are going to disregard because it’s not a part of your belief system, there is no point in offering a valid argument. That’s plenty annoying too.
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Seriously, though
A lot of people say that he’s the one responsible for deciding to go for a conservative approach and all that, when the facts are that (a) there’s no more evidence of that than there is that Mack Brown is the one making that decision, and (b) even if it were up to Greg Davis, the buck stops with Mack Brown.
How could one voice saying this be even close to as annoying as the perpetual meme that Greg Davis is a terrible offensive coordinator, despite the overhwhelming success of the Texas offense?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 4, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
It’s clearly more subjective than Mack calling up asking GD to go conservative or open the accelerator. GD is not Mack’s child. GD has earned the skins to call the offense as he sees fit and to think otherwise seems to be naive. When he screws up, ofcourse Mack is going to cover for him, Mack is responsible for staff just the same he is going to praise him for when things are going well. Would GD’s offense be as prolific if he were coordinating/coaching for a college like Tulane? Last I checked, Mack is not relaying the plays to Major to send to Colt.
Personally, I think it’s curious that we are deemed a 2nd half team and Mack and GD get to speak face-to-face at the half and I don’t think it’s coincidence that we make such great 2nd half adjustments.
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by run Bevo run on Dec 4, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Head coaches set the tone
I think it was billyzane who brought up something about Mack having dialed up the overall conservative tone, and that it was just GD’s job to implement it. And yet, even when Davis does something different (5-wide sets, for example), people pan it. Guess they wanted conservative after all. The point is, when Muschamp’s unit was rated worse than GD’s unit, Muschamp still got more credit, because he’s the more vocal coach and the fresh face of the program. The anti-Davis meme is pervasive, but seems to be so mostly because of the principle of exercise and, now, groupthink.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 4, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
44 of 67 500+ yard games in UT history under Mack and Davis
And 25 of 26 ain’t bad, in the Texas vernacular. Would you rather have 700+ yard games and 60 points? That is not and will never be our style.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Question
about Texas running game:
People (okay, talking heads on TV) have criticized the ‘Horns running game, at least earlier in the year. Would you place the problems on your offensive line, running back performance, or…. well, you can always blame playcalling, can’t you…?
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Re: Running game
I think it’s a little bit of several things.
1) Our offensive line has been inconsistent all year.
2) Our running back by committee approach (in my opinion) has caused a lack of continuity and hasn’t allowed a single back to get into a decent rhythm.
3) The scheme is what it is. We’re a throw first, run to open the pass type offense.
I think with Tre Newton coming on as of late, and fully recovered from an earlier concussion, the criticism is a little over done. But not all together invalid. If we can establish the run against NU, those criticisms will go away due to the strength of NU’s d-line.
See commentary re: Greg Davis. :)
In all seriousness, the early issues were attributable to scheme and, frankly, no one back in our stable stepping up with the exception of possibly Tre’ Newton who went down early with concussion. He has come back now and has taken a commanding lead over the other backs and provides the offense the counter punch lacking in the 1st half of the season.
Interesting that from a scoring perspective, the UT offense is well balanced at 27 rushing and passing touchdowns each. There goes that unbalance theory, huh.
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The touchdown balance
doesn’t tell the whole story, though. I guarentee if you look more closely at that about 50% of those TD runs are from 10 yards out and less. If you want to look at a true comparison look at the pass/run ratio.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
so
basically the touchdown runs were used in the same way as the short passing game, but instead of trying to have receivers break plays, the runs were effectively there…. plus they kept defenses honest.
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by Jon Johnston on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
This is one of the few rational criticisms of Davis
The zone blocking offensive line scheme Texas runs isn’t exactly a good fit for the personnel, and hasn’t been since 05-06 when there was NFL caliber talent at several positions. That’s not to say they’ll be stonewalled, but there will be a half dozen frusterating (for UT fans at least) run plays where the line is a step too slow or too quick to form a crease (depending on the RB) and some Nebraska linebacker will meet whoever the flavor of the week RB is at the line. That’s the bad news for UT. The good news is that Newton seems to be more in sync timing wise.
As they get closer to the goal line and run the man blocking goal line set, typically the jumbo with Houston at FB, you’ll notice that a line that previously had a somewhat difficult time creating a crease actually creates a hole in the defensive line. The difference usually drives fans insane. Inside the five yard line, I feel very confident about the running game. It’s the other 95 yards that I’m concerned about.
Also, UT had about four base running plays to start the season. Some wrinkles have been added, but there are still fewer designed running plays than any high school team I’ve ever seen.
The upside is that Colt is one of the most dangerous running QBs in the league, and he runs the zone read well enough to gain yardage on any team – even Nebraska. He also is dangerous on broken plays, both passing and rushing. If I had to guess, I’d guess the stat line will 120 team yards rushing, consisting of a Colt run for 15 and a Newton run of the same length. The average will end up being 3.4 yards per carry and Pelini will go to sleep wondering where to find a Juco player to cover Malcolm Williams before next season but feeling good about his run defense.
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The zone blocking scheme is not suitable for college football
…unless you have NFL caliber talent in the offensive line. At least at a couple of spots. Our guys this year are not quick enough to double team and then peel off and get to the second level of the defense in most cases. So yes the scheme is very frustrating when it isn’t working. On the other hand when McCoy has the green light to run the whole picture changes, the defensive line slows down a step and our guys get their blocks even to the second level.
This year’s OL group is an anomaly, it’s not often we don’t have at least one All-Big 12 offensive lineman. But you don’t change your scheme for one year and we’re dealing with it best as possible.
And there is a tradeoff in practice time between practicing running plays and passing plays. It was obvious to Davis from the beginning that we weren’t going to be a great running team. We had a lot of injuries at RB and the line was not particularly good at run blocking so most of the emphasis was on developing the passing game to its full potential, hence the limited number of running plays. With a healthy stable of running backs and better play in the line we’ll see a better running game in the future.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Blame it on Texas...
First of all, the Nebraska D is very solid. They have produced in every game even in losses. However, they haven’t faced a running/passing quarterback like Colt all season. It appears that the Texas coaches are finally letting Colt run on designed plays in the last 3-4 games vs. running only on pressure in the first half of the season (including the OU game). Old school Colt McCoy will be needed in the championship game tomorrow!
Just ask Texas what happens when you play someone like that for the first time all season! Jerrod Johnson and the zone/read kept TAMU in the game & almost pulled off the win. Nebraska – you don’t have a Jerrod Johnson. Cody Green (tip of the hat to a fellow Dayton HS graduate) will be an even better version one day, but Zac Lee isn’t right now.
Next, our key defensive strength is stopping the traditional run. Based on how many times Nebraska has almost pulled Zac from starter, I am thinking you guys are hoping your running game doesn’t get stifled early. Because our next best defensive strength is guarding against the pass.
Finally, I believe Texas will also return to the thunder/lightening package of Cody Johnson & Newton or Fozzy. Cody will be used to pound between the tackles. Factor in one of our scatbacks plus Colt’s legs and the passing game should start to open up in the second half. We don’t need much of a running game, but we do need enough to bring in the defense closer to the line.
My prediction is 34-17 Texas with Nebraska scoring late. Nebraska’s offensive woes won’t be able to take advantage of any perceived Texas defensive weaknesses. Conversely, the Longhorns’ offense will force Nebraska to play at a high-level all game, which will allow from some second-half scoring by UT as the game & the pressure wear the Cornhuskers down.
Two last points -
- Greg Davis – You wonder how good of an OC you have to be when you have Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Vince Young, and Colt McCoy? He has probably mismanaged all of them at some point which allows for a lot of “Could have beens”. He is definitely “cadillacing” (?) on talent vs. making them better. Texas playing Alabama would be nice as you have seen Texas vs. a running quarterback. Not saying we couldn’t win either game, but Alabama plays a much more traditional offense which definitely works to our defensive strengths!
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Intangibles
Championship football games are decided on the fringes. Kicking game, turnovers, and penalties.
Special Teams:
Nebraska has had extraordinary special teams play this season. What does Texas have going for them here?
Well, let’s take a gander shall we.
Field Goals (yes, this is special teams) – UT ranks 13th with 20 out of 23 made (a few of those were 50+ into the wind…only one pull hook miss I can think of). I believe NEB is, um, 32nd at 16 for 20. Fairly close here. Kinda like horse shoes and hand grenades close.
ADVANTAGE: TEXAS
PAT’s – Pretty even here. NEB is perfect on the year at 35 of 35 while UT has missed one (64 of 65). However, UT has attempted almost double the number of attempts per game (5.4 to 2.9).
ADVANTAGE: NEUTRAL
Kickoffs – Not seeing a real advantage for UT here…oh, wait. Not sure how many kickoffs we will have vs. NEB but over/under is, um, 6.
Team – KO – YDS – Avg Dist – TB – Rank
UT 43 2639 61.37 7 50
NU 34 2114 62.18 4 68
ADVANTAGE: NEUTRAL
Kickoff Returns – a potential weakness for UT here. However, UT (20.35 Avg/R) has allowed only a little more than 1/2 yard on average per kick return than NEB (19.78 Avg/R) with double the number of kickoff return reps (80 to 40). And UT has given up one return for a TD.
ADVANTAGE: NEBRASKA
Kickoff Returns – UT has 3 returns for touchdowns, although our specialist is not currently playing. Not a problem though because the last touch our “reload man”, Marquis Goodwin, had went for a score against A&M. Me thinks this unit has found their sea legs.
Team – Ret – Yds – Yds/R – TD – Ret/G – Yds/G – Rank
UT 35 991 28.31 3 2.9 82.6 3
NEB 29 667 23.00 0 2.4 55.6 38
ADVANTAGE: TEXAS
Punting – UT does not have a traditional punting scheme as they prefer the “rugby” style (and a couple of pooch punts by McCoy). I think the key statistic to look at here is how well a punt changes field position. There are 2 stats that I think covers this: Avg punt length and Punts inside 20. While the number of punts by NEB inside the 20 exceeds UT in total by 9, the result is about even when you calculate the number inside the 20 per punt (UT at 36% and NEB at 38%). So both are about even.
Avg Length
UT 38.94
NEB 41.98
Team – Punts – Punt/G – Rank
UT 47 3.9 88
NEB 66 5.5 38
Inside 20
UT 17
NEB 26
Blocks against
UT 1
NEB 1
ADVANTAGE: NEUTRAL
Punt Returns – While a lot of commentary for this squad has described a few sportscenter highlights, many of the UT punts fielded result in fair catch. UT can score here, too.
Team – Ret – Yds – Avg/R – TD – Ret/G – Rank
UT 29 390 13.45 4 2.4 14
NEB 38 416 10.95 2 3.2 37
Team Blocks
UT 5
NEB 5
ADVANTAGE: NEUTRAL (but a slight homer nod toward UT as we have Jordan Shipley with 140 all-purpose yards per game)
Turnovers – Texas is ranked 8th in Turnover Margin at +12 for the year. Nebraska is tied for 41st at +4 for the year. That is a 3X difference for you English majors.
Penalties – Both teams are middle of the pack as far as discipline is concerned. While a breakdown by type is too exhaustive for this narrative, if I had to guess, most penalty yardage on both sides are probably attributed to holding and personal fouls.
Team – Pen – Yds – Pen/G – Yds/G
UT 79 695 6.6 57.9
NEB 86 775 7.2 64.6
ADVANTAGE: NEUTRAL
And one more intangible….Coaching:
We have this guy and Nebraska does not have Osborne, with all due respect to Coach Pellini.
Brown has led the Longhorns to a 12-0 record, which marks the first 12-win regular season in school history, including an 8-0 conference record and the Big 12 South Championship. The Longhorns have now won (1996, ’99, 2001, ’05, ’09) or shared (2002, ’08) the Big 12 South Division Championship seven times. Texas also currently holds a 16-game winning streak, which is the second longest in the nation and has won 25 of its last 26 games.
With 12 wins this season, Texas has extended its nation-leading streak of 10-win seasons to nine. The nine straight years with at least 10 wins is the second-longest streak in NCAA history, trailing only Florida State’s 14-year streak from 1987-2000. In addition, Texas has posted 12-win seasons in back-to-back years for the first time in school history. Prior to Brown’s arrival, the Horns had never before posted consecutive 11-win campaigns let alone consecutive 12-win seasons. Brown has led the Horns to six seasons with 11 or more wins, which compares to the four 11-win seasons in Texas history before Brown’s arrival in 1998.
The 2008 Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year and the 2005 Paul "Bear" Bryant National Coach of the Year, Brown is in his 12th season at Texas, which includes the 2005 National Championship, three BCS Bowl victories, and a current five-game bowl winning streak, one of only two teams in the nation to do so. Texas has played in a bowl game for a school-record 11-consecutive seasons, bettering the previous streak of nine straight from 1977-85, and is 8-3 in those games.
With a 127-26 (.830) record at UT, Brown is the architect of the nation’s best record during that stretch. In addition, Brown has led the Horns to a 100-15 (.870) mark over the last nine seasons, which is the nation’s second-best record over that time span. Brown is the lone coach nationally to lead his team to nine or more victories in 14 straight seasons. His 12 straight seasons at UT of nine or more victories are a school best. Under Brown, the Horns have posted Top 10 finishes six times in the last eight years (2001, ’02, ’04, ’05, ’07 and ’08). Prior to his arrival, the last time UT finished in the Top 10 was 1983.
He is just the fourth coach in the 117 years of Texas football to coach the Longhorns for at least a decade and just the second UT coach to win 100 games while at Texas. Darrell Royal, who won 167 games, has the longest tenure at 20 years, while D.X. Bible and Fred Akers each coached in Austin for 10 seasons. Brown is the first coach in UT history to post 200 victories during a career.
Brown’s personal strings, including time at North Carolina, go back even further. He has posted 19 consecutive winning seasons and taken his teams to 17 consecutive bowl games. Both of those marks are the second-longest active streaks in the nation.
ADVANTAGE: TEXAS (Sizeable difference maker.)
NET ADVANTAGE: Don’t judge a book by it’s cover, or in the case of UT, by it’s College Gameday Final highlights coverage as presented by Dr. Lou (who still cringes to complement the Horns…damn razorback). The teams are fairly evenly matched in the kicking game (save for maybe the UT field goal unit), but turnover margin advantage is clearly on the side of UT. UT also has more post-season coaching experience. So intangibles slightly leaning toward UT.
Plus, WE’RE TEXAS!
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hey
on special teams you missed blocking kicks and punts.
And I like how you negated our sizable advantage in punting through statistical manipulation…… using average instead of number. Very good.
I still think that we have a big advantage there.
Oh, and D.X. Bible was ours before he was yours.
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by Jon Johnston on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't Texas actually have the advantage in blocking kicks/punts?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 4, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
not sure
too busy at work today to look it up….. just pointing out the miss. I’ve been married a long time, you know, and I always feel better about myself when I point out minor details that others miss. Hmmmmmm….. not sure where that comes from.
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Coaching, at best, is a wash. Mack Brown has one Big XII Championship while having the second largest endowment in the country and being the most relevant school in the best recruiting state in the nation. Texas should win every game it plays by a landslide, and it doesn’t. Mack Brown is an above average coach at the best athetlic university in the country.
Bo Pelini and co. have taken the 112th ranked defense in the country and turned them into the 11th ranked defense in the country in 2 years. That isn’t by recruiting better talent, after all 8 of NU’s 11 defensive starters are Callahan’s recruits.
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by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's done a lot better than the schools with larger endowments
like Stanford, Harvard, and Yale. I don’t see what endowment has to do with anything, as it is not spent on athletics.
Do you know what endowments are?
An endowment is when someone gives an institution money or property in hopes that said institution invests said money or property as to give the institution an annual monetary return. This can be used for athletics, a general scholarship fund, building a new biology department, a new auditorium, new carpet for the dorms, anything the university sees fit. When “boosters” give money to a university, it goes towards the university’s endowment.
Texas has the second largest endowment for public universities in the U.S. How exactly is that not an enormous advantage?
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by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
UT's endowment isn't quite as fluid as you envision
partially because many schools in the system share allocations (i.e. multiple medical centers, which draw from the permanent university fund, as well as the system schools). Partially because it can only be used for bonds for capital improvements (subject to minimum rate of return conditions) and for “academic excellence programs”. Athletics are the odd man out unless they can make a convincing ROI case before the board, in which case the advantage is more one of a preferred lender. There are multiple layers for approval from the UT system and UTIMCO. On a less serious note, but not necessarily frivolous where athletics are concerned – numerous aggies are involved.
That’s not to say that Texas doesn’t have an enormous financial advantage over much of the college football landscape (Nebraska, as I recall is somewhat of an exception), but most of that is generated by the athletic department.
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I am familiar with how a public school’s endowment is dispersed, we have the same exact system in Nebraska as Texas. But, kids aren’t going to college to just play football, academics could easily said to be half of a prospects choice. You guys have a huge advantage when it comes to academic resources. But all boards understand that success on the athletic level raises a school’s public visibility, which in turn drives up enrollment. So there is incentive to basically give the athletic department whatever it wants.
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by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 8:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just want to say thanks to NU...
for inviting UT to chat about the game.
And thanks for helping us keep it “above the fray”. It’s such a relief from what I normally see from opposing fans.
Best of luck up in the North!
But this weekend — Hook ’em Horns!
The biggest Problem with Greg Davis
Is his lack of either ability or his outright stubborness to adjust during games. The fact that he seems at times to leave the running game behind doesnt help either. (Vince Young era doesnt count). The passing game has and always will be successful if you show the willingness to run the ball. Truelly successful teams run the ball consistently or at least consistently make an attempt to do so. ( Texas Tech isnt a consistently successful team. Sorry)
It's 'Truly' and 'stubbornness'
Misspellings and improper punctuation will ruin your credibility, as I have none remaining. Please read the postings regarding the running game.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Longhorn Fan here...
Can’t wait to play you guys. I’ve grown up watching the Cornhuskers whip up on Oklahoma and have always loved the way your team handles themselves. Good to see you guys back in the Championship game and BTW, you have some fine women up there.
Thank you, and likewise. Texas is classy. Their coach is classy, the players are classy and, for the most part, their fans are classy.
You stay classy, Austin.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 3:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Husker fans
loaded down this afternoon….. how do you guys think we’ll handle Texas’ zone read?
And will Amukamara and Dennard follow a specific receiver, or will they play a specific side instead?
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Amukamara should play right, and Dennard should play left. Dennard is better at playing the receiver while Prince is better at playing the ball. Safety play is going to be the key to stopping the pass.
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by Screwface on Dec 4, 2009 3:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Muschamp v. Greg Davis Meme
The perception of both our coordinators is often linked more to context than play calling.
Muschamp came to Texas on the heels of a record failure defensive effort from the 2007 team. His 2008 unit exceeded our expectations. More importantly (as far as the internet is concerned) he brought with him an infectious enthusiasm and eagerness to cuss on national television.
Offensively, UT fans don’t have an equivalent to the Akina/Mac Duff era to compare to during Mack Brown’s tenure. GD came prepacked with Brown when he was hired from UNC; a free gift with purchase we’re not entirely sure we wanted. Some fans believe he’s not even the best OC on our staff. He’s a convenient scapegoat when we don’t want to blame our uber successful head coach or record-obliterating QB for a sub par offensive performance.
"If you kick like that, you can wear a tutu for all I care."
Wow
Just gotta say I can’t believe how classy this exchange was. I will officially root for the Huskers now when they play anyone but us. Kudos to all. And here’s hoping for a good game tomorrow.
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Oustanding group of people up there
I will never forgot the ovation you gave us when we stopped your 60+ home winning streak. Hope that doesn’t come back to haunt us ;)
It’s a welcome change to play an opponent that doesn’t throw tortillas at you or threaten to gouge you with sabers. Keep it up and together we might even whip OU into shape.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions
I was at that game....
I think it was 52 games… somewhere in there. It was just under Miami’s 57 home streak record.
damn Ricky Williams. It’d look like we’d tackle him for five yards, and it’d be seven. Or three and it’d be five. Then… Garrity. That was the guy’s name. They’d hit Garrity for a long game. It was a great game, but man, was it disappointing.
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by Jon Johnston on Dec 4, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
47 games, sorry about that
and 74 out of 75, that’s where I got that from, had it misfiled in memory.
But the action was memorable, a far cry from USC, UCLA, Stanford and style points. It’s great to still have some true sportsmen in the game.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 5, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions

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