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SB Nation 2008 Preseason Big 12 Team - Marlon Lucky 2nd Team Running Back?

SB Nation's Big 12 contingent has (finally) released our preseason Big 12 team, congratulations to the following players from each of the teams.

Remember that we were not allowed to pick someone from our own team as part of the final phase.

Here are the results:

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For further enlightenment, you can see the position totals, and how everyone voted.

Marlon Lucky finishes second to Oklahoma's DeMarco Murray as the top running back in the Big 12, which leads me to wonder what the hell everyone was thinking when they did their picks, particularly the guys from Mizzou who didn't even include Lucky among their top three.

What does Marlon Lucky need to do to gain some respect?
He's the Big 12's only returning 1,000 yard rusher. With 75 receptions and 705 yards, he's one of the top returning receivers in conference.

I don't get it. I really don't. As a senior, Lucky is a proven commodity. I do not understand why he hasn't gotten more respect, nor more notice from everyone. Is it because he wasn't at media days, because he isn't one of those guys who says anything that gains attention?

If there's one guy on the 2008 team I'm pulling for, it's Marlon Lucky. I hope that he kicks all of your asses and then makes millions next year with a fat NFL contract.

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You know what...

...I would have voted DeMarco Murray ahead of Lucky as well. Murray’s numbers were reduced last season due to a knee injury, but when he was healthy, he was a better back than Marlon Lucky.

I assume that all of the Mike Goodson votes are purely because he won’t be splitting time with Jovorski Lane…

by Husker Mike on Aug 6, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the guy

had 60 yards receiving last season. 11 receptions for 60 yards. Lucky had nearly as many receiving yards as Murray had rushing.

What are we measuring here? Production? Or that some guy looks good?

What makes DeMarco Murray a better back than Marlon Lucky because the numbers don’t add up.

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by Jon Johnston on Aug 6, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adds up to me...

Murray played in 11 games and averaged 6.0 yards per rush and scored 13 touchdowns on the ground. Add in 439 yards and 2 touchdowns on kickoff returns (averaging 29.3 yds/return), and that’s 15 touchdowns. And that was as a backup to Allen Patrick last season, not the starter.

Lucky started all 12 games and averaged 4.9 yards per rush. He scored 9 touchdowns on the ground, 3 receiving. Yeah, his 1743 yards topped Murray’s 1286 yards… but Murray touched the ball 159 times to Lucky’s 282.

Murray moves into the starting lineup, and his numbers will explode with more touches.

If you want one statistic that ices it for Murray: 15 touchdowns for Murray as a backup, 12 for Lucky as a starter.

by Husker Mike on Aug 6, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think NU’s o-line will be bad, but look at the big bastards that Murray will be running behind at OU. If he’s healthy, he’s going to lead the league in rushing, without a doubt.

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Aug 7, 2008 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Fact of the matter is backups often average more per carry as second stringers than they do as starters. This happens at all levels of football. When you run more, you’re more likely to get stopped for a loss. Think Reggie Bush. He and Lendale White complimented each other well and a big part of Bush’s production came because defenses had to try and stop both of them. With the Saints, you saw the same thing with Deuce MacAllister. When Deuce went down, what happened? Reggie started looking like an average at best back. I’m not saying Murray will be average; I definitely think he’s one of the best backs in the league. But it’s easy to say that someone looked great as a back up, but that doesn’t always translate into the starting position (see also: Defensive Line, Nebraska, 2007). I think Murray will be very good, but until he proves he can be an every down back color me skeptical.

by carlinthemarlin on Aug 7, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never submitted a ballot
Particularly the guys from Mizzou who didn’t even include Lucky among their top three.

I don’t know if one of my colleagues did it and just never said anything, but I did the preliminary team nominations and never heard anything else about it. I’m not sure who’s responsible for the ballot.

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by RPT on Aug 6, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be me...

...when you submitted the one on RMN, I assumed that meant you’d been part of the e-mail as well…didn’t realize until just now that I was the only Mizzou submission…

And for the record, I think Lucky’s the #4 back…I’d just rather have those other three (in their particular offenses)...

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by Bill C. on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and for the record..

...there are two RBs on the “1st-team” all-conference team, so technically Lucky was still 1st-team…

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by Bill C. on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

still an affront

to me.

You don’t give much explanation about why you’d prefer the other backs. I’d appreciate hearing it.

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by Jon Johnston on Aug 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my biggest problem with Lucky:

He can’t create anything on his own. He’s fast, but he’s never seemed particularly agile (to me). He’s strong, but he doesn’t really break tackles (at least not in the many games I’ve seen). To me, he’s only as good as the blocking he gets. At the end of the Wake Forest game, for instance, NU needed a first down to ice the game. They had it 3rd-and-2, gave it to Lucky, and he followed his blocker right into the arms of the tackler. 4th-and-2, did the exact same thing. In neither run was it a case of 6 guys ganging up on him. Instead of icing the game, they gave the ball back to Wake, and Wake almost drove down and stole the game away.

To me, NU does a good job of getting Lucky into space (particularly on screens) and getting him a lot of yards that way. He’s a good weapon to have, and like I said, he’s probably the #4 back in a talented offensive league-nothing wrong with that. It’s just that…Murray is not only faster but can dodge tacklers much, much better. Woods-albeit a bit of a risky pick—is the perfect small back in Tech’s system, either darting in and out between their huge linemen and taking advantage of their huge splits, or catching the same types of check-down screens that Lucky takes advantage of. As for Goodson…he runs a lot like Lucky, only with slightly better speed and agility.

Those are my reasons…though I’m pretty sure you might disagree… :-)

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by Bill C. on Aug 7, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

No, not entirely. I think you make some good points. I disagree on speed, and agility…. well, there’s a fine line between poor vision and agility. I think Lucky has good vision.

BTW, on 3rd and 2, (or other short yardage), you don’t dance, you don’t skip. You follow your blocker into the hole. Fact is, we sucked at 3rd and 2 or 2rd and three. There will be a follow up on that soon.

Bottom line on all these points, though – Marlon Lucky is under appreciated as a running back.

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by Jon Johnston on Aug 7, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

I am starting to feel the same way about your comments in regards to Lucky. He has a rough career in Nebraska, but came back last year and proved his worth. Compare it to Cory Ross. Noone said anything about him in the media, he just went out and played.

by ryan.senkbile on Aug 7, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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