Corn Flakes Wonders Why You Can't Embrace Chaos
by Jon Johnston on Dec 1, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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It’s Oklahoma over Texas for the fifth-level tie breaker in the Big 12 South to determine the South champion.
Most of the Husker fans I’ve talked to are perfectly happy with Oklahoma winning the South. I’m guessing that goes back to all those years of playing Oklahoma as a rival, and blaming Texas for screwing us in the formation of the Big 12 conference, so the general attitude amongst Husker fans is that it’s a good day whenever Texas gets screwed. Agree?
Longhorn fans are not taking it lying down, jumping all over CC Machine’s declaration of themselves as Big 12 South champions. It’s not so much the article as it is the comments from ‘Horns fans.
Texas players react. They speak well. Nothing nasty (they apparently leave that up to the fans).
"We'll get a chance to play in a great bowl game," Orakpo said. "I've just been telling the guys to keep their heads up. We have a lot to play for. We'll use this as motivation. We still want to prove to everyone that we're the best team in the country. It's really important to us that we play well in the bowl game because we want to finish this season off right."
Someone might mention to Orakpo that this season isn’t over yet. It’s not a foregone conclusion that Oklahoma will lose to Missouri, nor is it forgone that Texas will be shut out of the national title game.
Mack Brown reacts too, and like all coaches who get screwed, wants a change in the system after the fact:
"Since this situation has never happened before in the Big 12, I think the conference should follow the lead of all of the other BCS leagues with championship games [ACC/Conference USA/Mid-American/SEC] in how they settle three-way ties," Brown said. "I think their systems are fairer and give more credit to how the two highest-ranked teams performed against each other on the field."
If that system had been in place, Texas Tech would have been thrown out because of having the lowest BCS ranking among the three South Division tri-champions. The Texas-Oklahoma deadlock would then have been decided by a head-to-head meeting which the Longhorns would have won because of their 45-35 triumph Oct. 11 in Dallas.
In other words, Mack Brown would deny you of so much fun in the interest of fairness.… or in the interests of Texas Longhorn football, whichever comes first. Mack Brown hates chaos, all the more reason why you should embrace it!
Because if you think you know all the angles, Doc Saturday throws another grenade.
Something tells me there’s plenty more left to this season with only one regular season week left to go, more chaos and gnashing of the teeth. A playoff would take all of this away from us, and yet it seems to be what so many want. I still don’t get it. Why??? This isn’t fun enough?
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So are we done Chase-ing the Heisman then?
Sorry couldn’t resist.
I’m with you Blight, I like the messed up BCS, the bowls, the drama.
But, Blight how would you feel if NU was in Texas’ spot?
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
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by JLew on Dec 1, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be screaming
bloody murder if I was Texas, the same thing that a lot of them are doing. And a lot of them would be making fun of me for it. It’s all part of this wonderful sport that we love so much even though it makes no sense.
I wouldn’t mind being in that position, though. :)
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
by Jon Johnston on Dec 1, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Texas fan...
I’m definitely not very pleased with the Big XII right now. The stupid tie-breaker rules that every other conference gets right… the strange former Big 8 love that I don’t understand. It doesn’t matter what I think though. I’m guessing Deloss Dodds uses it to raise a few more millions in the next year or so from donors who are upset with the system.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 1, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What should that tiebreaker be?
I looked at the SEC rules and the ACC, and they are about the same. Texas fans seem to want to use the “throw out the lowest ranked team in the BCS” to get it down to a two-team tie, then use “head-to-head”. Which is rather inconsistent.
by Husker Mike on Dec 1, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, but take the polls out of it
Using the BCS or any poll, in my mind, is inherrantly wrong in this situation. If three teams are tied, and their loss is to each other, why do you penalize the one that lost last?
Sure, Tech was blown out by Oklahoma. But really, if Texas Tech only lost by a touchdown, do you still think they wouldn’t be the one left out of that “BCS rule”? They lost last, so they’d be the lower of the three teams. A loss is a loss, it shouldn’t matter when.
I don’t know the best answer, but there’s gotta be a way to use strength of schedule, points for/against common opponents, etc. Three teams are 11-1. Ok…HOW did you get to 11-1?
by Wolvie on Dec 1, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you need
to take note of this.
If you think that a single conference would have this much trouble determining a winner to represent a division, what do think would happen if the NCAA were to try to determine playoff candidates???? :)
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
by Jon Johnston on Dec 1, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The same thing that happens in Div 1-AA, Div 2, Div 3...
…and EVERY other sport the NCAA oversees.
by Wolvie on Dec 1, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
its hard to believe that the sport and Div that makes the most money in college sports is the only one that doesn’t settle its championship on the field. Pretty stupid really. We let 60 people decide who gets to play for the championship in one poll and what 150 in the other. What makes them guys so special that they get to decide for the whole frickin’ country.
Yeah I just love the fact that we are still arguing 11 years later if NU or Mich would have won in ‘97. Just settle it on the field and you know. And dont give me this “well the BCS” crap. It still doesn’t settle anything we have still had split NCs. Should just change that to BS and leave out the C.
by taflorom on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
STRANGE FORMER BIG 8 LOVE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You have got to be f’ing kidding me. This conference was set up to favor Texas and Texas A&M in every way imaginable. We gave you a conference with legitimate contenders, you gave us TV sets. And yet, somehow, the rules got set up to give you every advantage imaginable.
It shocks my conscience that UT fans can so easily dismiss Texas Tech and then claim head-to-head over OU. The fact that TTU isn’t in the running in the polls is an indictment of the human voters, not TTU. While I would feel slighted just like every UT fan does right now, I will never, ever, EVER feel sorry for UT. Ever. EVER!
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 1, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I can feel the hate. I don’t know what exactly you mean by having everything set up to give us every advantage imaginable? You mean like dropping partial qualifiers? I just don’t get this Big 8/SWC division that seems to still exist, at least in the minds of some of the fans. It’s not like all of the other Presidents were sitting around and asking what does big bad Texas want. I just don’t get it. Maybe someone could point me to an article about it (and not some article that says that the have-nots get screwed in the Big XII – because 2 of the 4 haves are former Big 8 teams).
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 2, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the
shoe was on the other foot would you feel the same. No you would be saying “oh thats what the rule is so we have to play by it” . It was probably your rule anyway most of the Big XII rules are.
by taflorom on Dec 1, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I promise...
If Texas/OU and Baylor or any other south team end up tied next year because OU lost in the last second at bayor but beat us by 10, I will say OU should go. Mark it down. Not that I expect it to happen, although I do think Baylor will be better than Tech next year.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 2, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was
meant for the Texas fan not the KSU fan.
by taflorom on Dec 1, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OU egg?
OU has had a bad habit in the near past for laying eggs in big games. All they had to do last year was defeat T-Tech and OSU and they were in the National Championship game instead of Ohio State. Oregon the year before. If Mizzou upsets OU, which is very possible, Texas might end up in the game they really wanted to be in yet.
by Huzkerfan on Dec 2, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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