One mans thoughts on playoffs.
So once again it is November and the BCS looks to be in disarray. Imagine that. It has been a joke almost since its conception. The polls are nothing but popularity contest done by a bunch of guys who vote their favorite team to the top. And the coaches....well they are usually to busy coaching to watch very many games. So here goes one fans playoff thoughts.
First, I would cut the number of 1-A teams. For the purpose of this blog I am narrowing it down to 94 teams. 7 conferences with 12 teams. All having a conference championship game. They would be the Big XII, The SEC, the ACC, The Big Ten (adding Notre Dame), The Pac Ten (adding Hawaii), The Big East (adding Marshall, East Carolina, Army and Navy), The Mountain West (adding Boise St, Tulsa, Houston, and Fresno St.). The rest would be moved down a division. I know we could add more and probably should but this is for the sake of this.
Second I would make the rankings based on a point system similar to Nebraskas high school system. Its not perfect but it works. Something like this.
Teams with 0-4 wins-- a victory over one of these teams is worth 2 points, a loss cost you 10 points. Teams with 5-8 wins---victory is worth 5 points, a loss cost you 3. Teams with 9-12 wins---victory is worth 10 points while a loss only cost you 1 point. This would make teams schedule better teams and make for better games.
Either that or you let the NCAA do the scheduling. Keep the 12 game schedule, try to get it so that each team has 4 games against teams from each teir. I know it would be hard due to who is in each conference but they could try to get it as close as possible. All games would be played on a home and home basis so that each team gets a chance to play on each others field.
You take the top 16 teams based on the point system no conference tie ins. The higher ranking team gets a home game until the final which would be played at a neutral site. Gate and TV money gets split down the middle between the two schools but the home team gets to keep the concession money etc.
What about the other 78 teams?? Well let them continue to go to the bowl games. The only ones that would get hurt are the BCS bowls, most of the others are meaningless anyway so why would that change anything. And yes I know that most people want to keep the bowls involved in some way but you would never make them happy anyway and most teams dont have enough fans to travel to Florida or California or whereever for 3 more games. And I also know that if one of the lower ranked teams were to win it all they would have to travel for 4 games, but hey, you dont like it? Get better.
So there you go. Flaws and all that is my rough outline for the playoffs. Bash away boys. Lots of things could be better explained but I think you get the idea.
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I wouldn't bash it
Just point out a couple of things…
Pac-10 has 10 teams. They can actually count, unlike our good friends to the east. So while the Big 10 could add just one team, the Pac-10 will need two to get to your 12 teams.
And while I think it makes sense to have ND in the Big 10, they are, as I recall, already a member of the Big East in all other sports except football. So I think they go there instead.
I understand the non-conference tie-ins, and maybe that would work with the “point system”, but I’m for including the conference champions and using the point system to determine the at-larges. I definitely agree that each conference should have a championship game (and most do, except notably Pac and Big 10’s). There are 11 conferences, leaving 5 at-larges (or more with your lowered school/conference count) to be picked with your point system, or BCS, or selection committee like basketball.
I don’t know if they’ll ever drop the number of 1-A (or FBS, whatever) schools. I think they should cap it somewhere, and if someone wants in, they’re going to have to replace a bad-performing school. It’s a dream. :-)
by Wolvie on Nov 7, 2008 9:12 AM CST 0 recs
Yep
you are correct. So lets add Nevada to the Mountain West and let BYU join the Pac-10. And yeah I thought of adding ND to the Big East for football due to the fact they are already there for other sports but every time the Big 10 is talked about and adding a team it is always ND. So I figured they could go there for all sports.
The reason I dont like the conference champion tie-ins is that it is always argued that this team is more deserving of a spot then this conference champion etc. I would include the championship games as part of the point total so that would give the conference champ some extra points and may allow them to get in anyway. Dont like that Mr. fourth place team???? Tough get better.
Right now it could be argued that the top 4 teams in both the Big XII and SEC should get into the playoffs. That would leave 4 spots left and with 5 more conference champs one would be out. Or maybe not with the point system.
by taflorom on Nov 7, 2008 7:24 PM CST 0 recs
hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
here’s the thing. if we’re going to ever have a playoff, it’s going to require blowing up the current system, so if people thin you’re far-fetched about all the stuff you’ve said, it’s not as much as people think.
The problem with the assumption that we can just do away with bad performing schools is that they rely on a lot of money coming in from the NCAA. Even Iowa State shares in Big 12 conference bowl money and BCS money, TV money, etc. If they ever had to give that up, they might as well give up on football because it’s a slow death sentence without the income.
But, let’s set that aside. We (college football fans) always think that a playoff system is easily determined, and it isn’t. We point to Div IAA, II, and III, but even those levels use the kind of system you’re describing, i.e. there is a level of determining who’s the best team to represent an area, a region?
It’s harder than we think. Maybe a point system, yes.
I think I’ll reserve more comment for sobriety. :)
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by corn blight on Nov 8, 2008 10:41 PM CST 0 recs
So are
you saying that the conferences instead of the teams split the money from the playoff games? I could buy that since they do the bowl games already wouldn’t be that big a stretch. Sounds about right actually.
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Maybe
the BCS wont straighten itself out so much this year. PSU lost to IOWA so that leaves Bama and Tech undefeated, along with Boise ST. and Utah. Bama has Miss. ST. and Auburn (great rivalry game that is always close) plus the SEC championship game against Florida so they could still lose. Tech has OU (which will knock one of them out of contention, hey its all about when you lose) and Baylor plus the Big XII championship (if they win out). That will leave Texas and Florida who have both lost a game along with several others who will be crying that they should be in the game.
In reality you could very easily have Bama, Tech, PSU, Fla, Texas, OU and USC with one loss on the season. Which two deserve to be in the game?
Florida will have lost at HOME to Ole Miss who is 5-4
Bama will have lost only to one loss Florida at a nuetral site.
Texas will have lost only to one loss Texas Tech
OU will have lost only to one loss Texas
Tech will have lost only to one loss OU
PSU will have lost on the road to Iowa who is 5-4
USC will have lost on the road to Oregon St. who is 6-3
How about wins??
Florida has wins over LSU and Georgia,Florida St. and Bama (in the championship game)
Bama has wins over Clemson LSU and Georgia
Texas has wins over OU, Missouri, and Okie ST. (and a possible win in the championsip game)
OU has wins over TCU, Kansas, Tech, and Okie St. (and a possible win in the championship game)
Tech has wins over Kansas, Texas and Okie ST.
Penn St. has wins over Illinois, Ohio St. and Michigan ST
USC has wins over Ohio St. Oregon and Cal
(put in all teams that were ranked when the team played them)
So again who deserves to be in??? It looks to me that OU, Texas and Florida all could make cases for being there. Actually all 7 could lay a decent claim out there but those three have a better case. And to me OU and Texas have the best case out there.
by taflorom on Nov 8, 2008 11:22 PM CST 0 recs
It's time to make a choice . . .
The arguments against an eight team, division I football playoff seem to be:
1. A playoff would diminish the importance of the regular season.
2. The tradition of the bowls would seem less important.
3. The bowl games wouldn’t make as much money with a playoff in place.
4. The season would be too long for the players.
5. With only eight teams, an argument could be made that some deserving teams were left out.
6. In order to make the playoffs, many teams would schedule weak non-conference teams.
There are other reasons that factor into the argument against a playoff, but these seem to top the list.
Back in the day when the national champion was determined by polls, we knew there would be arguments. We knew going in to the season that ambiguity would exist at the end of the season, but we agreed to live by these rules. It was unsettling at times. It was disappointing at times. To this day, people continue to debate whether or not this team or that team was the better one. Part of me misses the good ole days. Part of me misses the days of passionately defending why one’s team truly deserved to be crowned the best in the land. There is a certain charm to the old system. It’s part of the history and pageantry of college football; crisp fall days, marching bands, passionate fans and 1:00 p.m. kickoffs.
The BCS saw an opportunity to make a buck by pretending to bring legitimacy to the national champion of Division I college football. It has in effect turned Division I college football into a cynical, money-driven, and biased marketing event. True, the past system was as subjective as it could be, but at least we weren’t being misled into believing that the intent of the game is to bring the two best teams in the nation together to play in an over-hyped, commercialized, and hand-picked championship game. I argue that the BCS has taken the beautiful tradition of college football and irreparably damaged it.
Admittedly, I’m nostalgic about the way college football used to be, but I’m not as naïve as I may seem. I know that college football has been a big business even before the BSC stepped in to take their share of the pie. What disturbs me, though, is that we are pretending to determine a national champion that is "decided on the field", but we all know how far from the truth that actually is.
So we all understand our dilemma and I suggest we do one of two things. Either we go back to the days before the BSC, enjoy the fun of the bowl season and simply accept the fact that there will always be a debate about who is the team most deserving of being named the national champion, or, if validating our national champion is more important, we need to take a serious look at a 16-team playoff format. That’s right, 16 teams, not 8.
Before we explore this, I’d like to address the concerns against a playoff that I listed at the beginning.
1. A playoff would diminish the importance of the regular season. I couldn’t disagree more. This year is an example of WHY the regular season is ALREADY diminished. Florida lost to an unrated Old Miss team AT HOME, but is likely going to be playing for the national championship. Don’t even get me started on the 3-way tie in the Big XII South. What do we do with that mess? A playoff acknowledges what we already believe; the teams that are playing better later in the season benefit. A team SHOULD get better as the season progresses. Do we want to crown the best team of September 1st or January 1st? In addition, you have to play well over the course of the season to even be considered in the playoff discussion. The regular season, therefore, is not diminished, but critically important.
2. The tradition of the bowls would seem less important. I agree that this could be a problem, but there are a couple of ways to incorporate the bowls into the playoff format. Either 8 bowl games could be used as "consolation" games, or, my preference is that the top 8 bowl games would simply feature match-ups of the top teams who made the playoffs, but didn’t make it to the NC game.
3. The bowl games wouldn’t make as much money with a playoff in place. Again, another legitimate concern, but why do people go to bowl games now? It certainly isn’t for determining champions or rankings. I suspect that if you are the sort of person that attends bowl games, you will probably continue to attend.
4. The season would be too long for the players. Blah, blah, blah. College basketball, as Joe Paterno argued, goes on forever. With my playoff system, the maximum number of games played would be 15 and that’s ONLY for the final two teams. Right now, if you are in a conference championship game and the NC game or a bowl game, you play 14.
5. With only eight teams, an argument could be made that some deserving teams were left out. I agree. Each year is different, but I would argue that the drop off in quality from teams ranked 8 to 16 is not as drastic as the drop off after the 16th ranked team. In other words, the top 16 teams probably are comparable, but once you get past 16 the quality slips significantly. Regardless of the number of teams, somebody will complain. 16 is more inclusive and eliminates some fringe teams from getting in.
6. In order to make the playoffs, many teams would schedule weak non-conference teams. In order to determine the top 16 teams, a strength-of-schedule element would have to be included in the equation. Teams that choose to schedule the IOWA SCHOOL FOR THE BLIND and OUR LADY OF THE BROKEN ROSARY FOURTH GRADE GIRLS TEAM will put themselves at risk. The hardest part of the whole idea is coming up with a formula that takes into account margin of victory, strength-of-schedule, etc . . . I’ll leave the actually math up to people smarter and better looking than me.
OK . . . now on to the actually proposal. A few concessions need to be made. You’ll see what I mean.
1. All Division I teams schedule 11 regular season games to be played over 13 weeks AND keep a date open for 12th game.
2. Conference championship games are eliminated. Conference champions are determined using the old "poll system", but conference champions have no bearing on the selection to the playoffs. It is simply for bragging rights and tradition.
3. After the 11 regular season games are played, the top 16 teams are determined for the playoffs by using a combination of polls and computers or whatever system is agreed upon.
4. The playoff schedule looks like this: Round 1=Week 14 on THANKSGIVING SATURDAY, Round 2=Week 15 (the current date of the conference championships), Round 3=Week 16 or 18 depending on finals schedules), Final game=Current Date.
5. The "BSC" bowls are expanded to 8: Orange, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton, Holiday, Gator and Alamo (suggested bowls . . . obviously keep the current and add 4)
6. The higher seeded team is the host team for Rounds 1-3 (another argument for the importance of the regular season). The Final is played at one of the 8 playoff/bowl sites like it is now. The NC game would rotate from bowl to bowl each year. This year it would be played in the Orange bowl. This eliminates the extra game played in Miami. You get ONE bowl game Miami. Not the Orange and the NC.
7. As teams are knocked out of the playoffs, they are assigned to one of the 7 remaining "BSC bowls." Again, you could have them play in bowl games for "rankings", but my preference is that they simply get to go to a bowl game like they are now. It could be that the lowest two teams that are knocked out (this year) go to the Alamo, the next two highest go to the Gator and so on. This would rotate from year to year so that the Alamo isn’t always stuck with the two worst playoff teams and, once every 8 years, the Alamo would host the NC.
8. That deals with the playoffs and NC, but what about the other teams not in the playoffs. Check back to #1. See that open date??? This is one of the things I think is the coolest parts. Once the 16 playoff teams are announced, a committee schedules a "surprise" opponent for the remaining teams. It is almost like scheduling another bowl game. The date, I suggest Thanksgiving FRIDAY, is already open and everybody knows that they will be playing. Rankings determine which team is home and which is away. The goal is to create interesting match-ups of teams that don’t normally play.
9. All remaining bowl games are intact and the teams that don’t make the playoffs are eligible for these bowl games. A nice payoff at the end of the season.
I think I’ve included all of the main points. Obviously there will be problems to work out, but I think this would make for a really exciting end to the football season.
Comments???
by Husker21stb on Nov 23, 2008 8:05 PM CST 0 recs
All playoff suggestions sound better than the current system but.........
the fact is Disney/ESPN/ABC just signed a contract to televise the BCS until 2013 I believe. So once again money talks and with no regard to the games integrity or the coaches and players, the national champion will be decided by some computer who is heavily influenced by people. Many of whom haven’t played a down and don’t understand the work it takes to get there and without a doubt have bias.
by Huzkerfan on Nov 24, 2008 3:05 PM CST 0 recs
What really sucks
is the records of teams makes no difference after the NC game. The fact that the Cotton Bowl was even considering taking Notre Dame before it got beat by Syracuse is a complete joke. If I had been OU, TEX, TECH and Notre Dame would have been announced as my opponent I would have declined the invitation. Its time that the Universities start demanding decent games. The UGA/Hawaii game last year was a complete joke. If ND gets a Gator Bowl bid over NU then Tom and Bo and the team need to come out and be loud about getting snubbed. Its not just that the whole BCS is a joke the whole bowl system is a joke.
by taflorom on Nov 25, 2008 6:51 AM CST 0 recs









