ABC DOES IT AGAIN
Really, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but is there anyone out there that really understands the walk-on program besides Nebraska? The comment was repeated again by our wonderful ABC analysts. Paraphrased, "they said that you can't build a program around walk-ons. Having 4 or 5 walk-ons as starters just doesn't work. Nebraska just does not have the talent to field a team." OK, anyone with a brain realizes that the population of a state is a big factor in the amount of players available. OK, anyone with a brain understands that the metropolitan areas get more press and attention paid to their programs. I agree with all of that. Nebraska is a rural state, with most of its teenage boys playing 6- 8 man ball, and the majority of the rest are playing 11-man ball in rural areas because of consolidated schools. What some people just don't get is that these boys in Nebraska are not recognized by the big talkers out there like Rivals. Osborne said, "he never paid attention to the rivals scores." Why would you, at least completely. I strongly believe with Osborne's philosophy that you cannot underestimate or replace the HEART of a passionate football player. Especially those that are born and raised in the Nebraska rural areas. I'm not saying that we have the best athletes, I'm not saying that places like Texas don't have the best choice of quantity of athletes. I'm saying that from personal experience, the attitude of some of those scholarship, publicized players do not have the Heart that it takes to win. They are satisfied to be recognized and play for a DI school. They are sometimes, and right now I believe not as dedicated as they should be. I believe that Pelini can change this around, but he has some serious issues to deal with and some kids from Nebraska that have the HEART to do whatever it takes to get THE BIG RED back where it belongs.
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As someone that
talks to a lot of the Rivals guys on a consistent basis and follows football and basketball recruiting, I can tell you, this is one of your biggest problems.
You could get away with walk-ons in the 90s. Recruiting evaluations, restrictions, and communications were all different. The speed wasn’t the same.
But trying to compete with walk-ons against top level talent will get you slaughtered. Nebraska needs to embrace the 21st Century and quit thinking just telling themselves “We’re Big Red!” will help.
There’s a reason ABC keeps commenting on it. They’ve done their homework.
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 5:11 PM CDT 0 recs
But if you guys
want to start walk-ons and let Mizzou have the four star recruits, that’s cool.
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Oct 5, 2008 5:18 PM CDT
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Funny thing...
…is that those walk-ons are better than the four stars on the bench. Or are you going to disagree with that assessment?
by Husker Mike on
Oct 5, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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So what's the problem?
So, it sounded to me like ABC was saying that we were getting beat because of our walk-on program. That is exactly what they were implying. They are simply wrong, homework or not. Our walk-on program has nothing to do with our loss against Missouri or our losses in the past 5 years. To blame the walk-on program would be ridiculous. So my question to you is what do you think that needs to be done? Do away with the program altogether? Recruit better. Let’s see, Callahan had some of the best recruiting classes in the years he coached and looked what happened there. Talent didn’t seem to make a difference. I’m just wondering if you really think that the walk-ons start over the recruited big studs or what? Tell Grant Winstrom that.
by crazylady on
Oct 5, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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Reality check
The recruiting services can’t judge high school talent precisely. A player can go from 3 stars (Chase Daniel) to five stars (Marlon Lucky) because of level they are being recruited by top programs, so it’s no surprise that top 5 teams have an abundance of 5 star players. The problem is, a top 20 team that falls hard also has 5 star recruits. This explains Callahan and Notre Dame.
These services are interesting to fans like me, especially in the off-season, but actual success on the field has a lot more to do with what a player does in college than what they did in high school. I would take Bo Pelini and the Nebraska walk-ons against Callahan and an army of 5-stars.
Papa83
by Papa83 on
Oct 8, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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Don't confuse
ratings with actual coaching of said talent while on campus.
by Blankman on
Oct 9, 2008 1:16 AM CDT
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Yeah!
That was what I meant, but trying to explain why? Should have just said what you did. Nicely done.
by crazylady on
Oct 9, 2008 7:43 AM CDT
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The Walk-on program is great for the psychology of the team and fans. Much like the Twelfth man at A&M, and yes heart is important, but there was reason Rudy only got in for one game. Size and speed.
by GVHUSKER on Oct 5, 2008 7:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Keep the program. The point was that if you have that many walk-ons playing it could indicate that you are not recruiting enough talent.
Not so sure Callahan did such a bang up job of recruiting talent. if so where is it?
by GVHUSKER on Oct 5, 2008 7:48 PM CDT 0 recs
You tell me
2 of Callahans recruiting classes were ranked in the top 5 across the country. You tell me where they are? Good question.
by crazylady on Oct 5, 2008 8:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Still looking
Seems like Dr Tom’s recruiting classes were never rated that high, but they were the right fit for the program. Maybe that is the issue.
Bo’s defense is based on speed both in the secondary and on the Dline. Not sure we have enough ..yet. I think we will get there (through recruiting)and am glad we will keep the walk-on program going.
When we start winning again the announcers will rave over the unique walk-on program we have and how great it is.
by GVHUSKER on
Oct 5, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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right on GV
As a matter of fact, Osborne was never rated in the top 25, rarely. What does that say??
Callahan had ranking classes of 17,25,30,5,10 and then 43. We were only in the rankings once and that was 20th in 2003. We never ended another season after that ranked in the top 25. Clearly, that was the point I was trying to make. You recruit the kids that work for your program. I refuse to believe that the day of playing football the way it was intended is over. Its a physical game, it should be played that way. It just isn’t as fun as it used to be with quarterbacks whining about getting hit and too wimpy to run and receivers complaining about interference or blaming someone else for not catching the ball. I sure wish we could have stayed the kind of team we were and not succumbed to the rest of the ways of college football. We were good and respected. I think that Bo Pelini, with time, will bring back the Nebraska team of prominence and kick *ss football that we all grew up loving. I’m not against change, but this change has not been good for us. The facts speak for that.
by crazylady on Oct 5, 2008 8:45 PM CDT 0 recs
I wouldn't say the majority of
teenage boys in Nebraska are playing 6-8 man football. Growing up in Omaha, I know that the majority of boys are playing regular 11 man football in the eastern half of the state in either Omaha or Lincoln. If you look at the high schools, there are only 2 classes for 8 man (D-1, D-2) and 4 classes of 11 man (A, B, C-1, C-2). The walk-on program is nice, but in this age of football of speed and quickness, walk-ons won’t help you win football games. Its a great tradition, but now its just for show now.
by jrekf7 on Oct 7, 2008 8:38 AM CDT 0 recs
I see your point.
My point was, and I should have made it differently, I realize that now. My intentions were to point out and I thought I did, that most of Nebraska boys live in rural areas. They are not going to get the recognition that Omaha and Lincoln boys are. I understand that, and I don’t find fault in that at all. I do believe that just because they are not recruited or are not on rivals doesn’t mean they don’t have the speed and quickness needed at NU. I simply think they are looked over or brushed off because of where they come from. I have proof that this has happened several times.
However, I do understand your take on the walk-on program. My son turned down 2 full ride scholarships to come and walk-on at Nebraska and they haven’t kept any of the promises they made to the walk-ons. The longer the season goes, the more I believe what you are saying, and I am very disgruntled. Integrity would have made these coaches be truthful about what was going to happen to these young boys. Alot of them would have made different choices. I guess I thought that they would be treated like they were in Osborne times and that was a mistake I made.
by crazylady on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 PM CDT 0 recs
Osborne's classes
Were rated in the Top 20 by mags back in the day by SuperPrep and the originators of the recruiting-to-regular joes movement. I believe the ones with Tommie and Ahman were the highest and near Top 10, but that’s just off the top of my head. A program cannot be built off of walk-ons and Matt Holt is not the next best player at his position.
by Blankman on Oct 8, 2008 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree with ABC
Unfortunately I have to agree with ABC, and I have bled Husker Red since I came out of the womb! As someone that grew up in Nebraska late 80’s early 90’s and was heavily involved in athletics as well as from a smaller town. I saw guys from my small school not passed over because of where they were from. They weren’t walk ons, they had the talent and the stats to play big time college football, and than when they got there they did not only play but won national championships and went on to the NFL.
Guys with talent will get recruited, by someone, and with today’s economy how can the majority of these guys with the talent to write their own ticket afford to just “walk on” somewhere? So the talent level of the walkon has gone down. And Nebraska isn’t even getting all of the top recruits out of their own state! Watching other games I am hearing players called out of Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island, Kearney etc. starting with scholarships at other Division 1 successful programs.
In college football champions are the teams that have the heart, talent and good coaching. If you are missing even one piece of the puzzle it just won’t work. The Huskers will get there, and they will continue their walkon program but they will not win a national championship starting the number of walkons that they currently do.
by KCHusker34 on Oct 12, 2008 3:30 PM CDT 0 recs
this is
an excellent comment on the status of the walk-on and overall program.
That’s a good point – college costs have driven some athletes who might have chosen to walk on to play at other programs. Hell, SDSU, NDSU do have football programs, and if you can get your way paid there, why bother going to Nebraska?
It’s an even thinner line between success and failure then.
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by corn blight on
Oct 15, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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Walk ons have no talent?
I beg to differ.
Lance Thorell, 2nd yr freshman from LOOMIS NEBRASKA (Town of less than 300) has 19 total tackles this season, 12 unassisted. And he came from eight man football in high school.
Another walk on – Dreu Young – From Cozad, Nebraska (Class C School) had a touchdown reception against tech.
There have been plenty of walk ons that have done alot for Nebraska Football.
by Young on Oct 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT 0 recs
I dont
think it matters to some people. Unless the guys have so many stars by their name they will never be good enough no matter what they do. Lance Thorell could make every tackle next week at ISU and it wouldn’t matter because he is a walk on and shouldn’t be on the field.
Bo is going to put the guy on the field who comes to practice everyday and earns it. Unless he is redshirting him. To say anything different is just plain stupid. If a guy has more talent and isn’t playing it is simply because he is not giving the effort it takes to get on the field.
Why would he do it any other way???? It would surely cost him his job. Walk on or 5 star it doesn’t matter you still have to earn it.
by taflorom on Oct 14, 2008 10:30 PM CDT 0 recs
I wish that were true.
Unfortunately, Bo isn’t running the walk-on program like TO did and many of the walk-ons spend alot of time standing around watching instead of learning. The promises those boys were made have not been followed through upon and it is very disheartening for several of them. Many haven’t even been taught one play on offense or defense. I am surprised that TO hasn’t suggested things be run differently, but he does have to let the man do his job. The key to the walk-on program is two-fold. One, the walk-ons were playing everyday and learning the system under TO. Two, there aren’t many of these boys that remember the days of TO and the way Nebraska played, they grew up in the Solich and Callahan era. Sadly enough, many of the walk-ons do not have the attitude they used to about being on the husker team.
by crazylady on
Oct 21, 2008 11:35 PM CDT
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Where
are you getting your information?? Why are so many walkons playing if this is true?? I have read nothing to this and I do know people with connections to the program and have heard nothing from them regarding this. Not calling you a liar just wondering where you are getting this info.
by taflorom on
Oct 22, 2008 6:39 AM CDT
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From this years walk-ons
I wouldn’t put any information down that was hearsay or from the media. We all know how distorted their opinions can be. My information comes from the walk-ons this year. The out of state walk-ons and the in-state walk-ons. I am a huge NEBRASKA FAN and have been my whole life. I know TO personally and I know how he treated his players, specifically the walk-ons, ask them, they’ll tell you. I’m not downgrading Pelini and his staff I was just calling a spade a spade. From my side of the fence, politics has taken over the football program, and I just think that sucks and its sad. These are young men, and I was used to a coach in TO that cared more about the young kids, then winning. He didn’t sway from his principles. I just was wishing it could be that way again, but I don’t see it happening if things continue the way they are. We will see how many of the walk-ons remain and how many leave, including some scholarship freshman. I may be all wrong, but I know what’s going on with these players and how their daily lives are. I was under the impression that all walk-ons would be treated the same as incoming scholarship players. That for sure is not true. They were made a promise that has not been kept. Very hard to take from a Nebraska boy that wants nothing more than to play for the big red. I remember TO having 150 players and more. I remember him having 4 – 6 fields playing at one time. Everyone learned and everyone was playing in practice. That is not going on. Believe it or not, most of the coaches, don’t even know half of the walk-ons names. I’m sorry, I just call it as I see it and it doesn’t diminish my love for my team or the hope for their rise to success again. We have sunken to the levels of other programs when character, morals, values, and work ethic don’t account for anything and that is what I see happening in this program right now. We must win, at all costs.
by crazylady on Oct 27, 2008 5:09 PM CDT 0 recs
we must win
let’s not kid ourselves. This isn’t a thing that has taken over because of the coaches. this is something that’s taken over because we the fans demand it. I’m not talking about how the walk-on program is handled, but I am talking about the current state of Nebraska football.
We’ve met the enemy and he is us.
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by corn blight on
Oct 27, 2008 6:12 PM CDT
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by the way
you’re welcome to post any new threads at any time….!!!!
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by corn blight on
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