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Q&A With Missouri Blog Rock M Nation - Nebraska vs Missouri

We're doing the old trade questions thang with SB Nation Missouri bloggers Rock M Nation to get their feel for where the Mizzoura Tigers are and how we can potentially beat them.

We're not the only ones to do so, as DXP has asked Big Head from Mizzourah for his "Top Five Reasons I Hate Nebraska" post. Keep a sense of humor, folks. Or not - just make sure you know who you're aiming at.

Do you feel that Missouri-Nebraska could be a new true rivalry in the making?

RMN: Just given the animosity from so many Missouri fans, I think you can go ahead and classify it as a rivalry, especially now that Nebraska fans are starting to reciprocate that hostility. The issue for Missouri fans is that, yes, Nebraska can be considered a rival (although Pinkel will deny it), but we refuse to allow anyone (cough*Tim Griffin*cough) say that NU is our "arch" rival. That distinction and that level of hate transcends football whenever Mizzou and Kansas get together.

But the development of the debatable MU/NU rivalry all depends on the legitimacy of the two teams involved. When was the last time the two teams played when they were both national threats? Never? If Nebraska climbs back into North contention and Missouri doesn't fall back into the abyss, I can see the rivalry growing stronger. Just don't ever consider yourselves as Missouri's primary rival.

Who's more responsible for the success of the Tigers - Gary Pinkel or Chase Daniel? (Notice I didn't even put the "s" on Daniel like I do sometimes to purposefully annoy you. If that isn't respect, what is?)

RMN: I think their contributions are indelibly linked together in the annals of Missouri football history. What is Gary Pinkel without Chase Daniel? He's a great guy who is a good but nowhere near great coach. What is Chase Daniel without Gary Pinkel? Perhaps a too-small quarterback relegated to playing in the I-formation because of the difficulties of Brad Smith's transition to the spread. I really hate to take sides here because so much of their individual successes are tied, but I'll give a slight edge to Daniel.

Chase is a transcendent, program-changing type of player and a ferocious competitor. But, one of Pinkel's best assets is pulling overlooked recruits out of nowhere and turning them into very solid players. Almost no one else thought Sean Weatherspoon, Danario Alexander or Ziggy Hood were Big 12-caliber recruits. Pinkel pulled them out of Texas, committed himself to them in exchange for loyalty to MU, and charged them with continuing the ascent of Mizzou football. That's the exact story of Chase Daniel, and that's exactly why I can't separate them. It's like trying to separate Sam Keller and Bill Callahan: history will judge them together.

Give your definition of a successful season for this Missouri team.


RMN: This team should, under no circumstances, fail to win the Big 12 North. Given the talent level on this team and the current state of the rest of the division, missing out on a Big 12 title game appearance would be a "fail" of the "epic" variety. From there, all expectations, hopes, dreams, and possibilities are thrown out the window.

The North title is the bare minimum, and about where the "expectations" end. No one should "expect" Missouri to win the Big 12, because let's face it, Oklahoma is a damn good football team, and Texas is looking strong as well. Would either of those be a hell of a game? Absolutely, but you can't burden this team with "requiring" them to win it to be successful. A Big 12 title and, if Missouri never has an off-game, a national title are both within the realm of possibility. But possibilities and expectations are two different animals.
 
How do you stop Missouri's offense?


RMN: Here's the three options for the blueprint to slowing down Mizzou:

1) First and foremost, you MUST be able to generate pressure with your defensive line. If you sell out on the blitz, you're leaving way too many weapons open for Chase. If you decide to rush only three, you'll return to the Cosgrove residence a few months later without a job after being torched for 606 total yards and 41 points on national TV (too soon?).

2) Turnover, turnovers, turnovers. Missouri's generally pretty good about protecting the ball, but when it bounces your way, your better pick it up AND you better turn it into points.

3) Have ridiculous athletes. Watching the Tigers in Norman last year and then watching them on TV in the Big 12 Championship, it was clear to me that the Sooner defense was one of the fastest I'd ever seen in person. The LBs and DBs were stride for stride with Mizzou's receivers, buying the D-Line time to get after Chase. The Sooners forced Missouri to play a lateral game rather than a vertical one, and it came back to Mizzou in the ass.

Last year, only Oklahoma was able to accomplish all of these things at once. There's a reason the Sooners beat Mizzou twice when no one else could.
 
Where would you put Missouri's defense nationally and why?

RMN:
I don't know what Missouri ranks and for the sake of the question, I won't look it up. Missouri's defense seems very average, nationally speaking. The run defense is as solid as I've seen from Mizzou in a long time, and Sean Weatherspoon has been an absolute manbeast through four games. There are still issues with the pass defense as DC Matt Eberflus continues to find the right amount of blitzing, the right role for William Moore, and the right way to disguise Justin Garrett and Del Howard's deficiencies in pass coverage at the other safety spot.

That said, who knows what they have up their sleeve in conference play. Last year, Mizzou was AWFUL stopping the run in non-conference (Just say the name "Geno Blow" to a Mizzou fan and you'll see), but they were proficient at stopping the pass. Then came a bye week. Eberflus used the week to evaluate his players and his system and then transformed the unit into one of the Big 12's top three or four units. Does he have a similar trick up his sleeve in 2008? I certainly hope so.
 
What about Nebraska's team concerns you the most?

RMN: Honestly, the team itself doesn't scare many Mizzou fans. No one expects Nebraska to have much success running on Mizzou, as the run defense has been stout so far and neither Castille nor Helu nor Lucky are instilling the fear of God into anyone. Joe Ganz could be scary for Mizzou, given Missouri's pass defense thus far in 2008. But, with Carl Gettis at corner, Mizzou will take away your best receiver, so if any damage is going to be done through the air, the production is going to have to come from someone further down the "WR" column on the depth chart.

I doubt the defense is scaring anyone, even despite the addition of Pelini's coaching. From what you saw of Nebraska's defense in Columbia last year, would you be scared of that unit? Plus, the Virginia Tech game has Mizzou fans salivating for a chance to match this offense against the NU defense. Don't take it personally - there just many defense in the nation that you're going to find Mizzou fans scared of. It's part-arrogance/hubris, part-"this offense is just that damn good."

More than anything, Mizzou fans are scared of Lincoln. Missouri IS the better team, but means nothing college football these days. We held a poll asking what Mizzou fans are most scared of, and the run away answer with 76 percent was "It's in freaking Lincoln. Can you think of one good thing that's happened in Lincoln in my lifetime?" Granted, the same applied to Boulder and Manhattan before last year, but stranger things have happened.

Prediction?


RMN: Before the season, I predicted 31-20. After watching the first four games of the season, I no longer think it'll be that close or that low scoring. It will take a legendary effort from Pelini's troops to hold Mizzou to 31. I think Mizzou FINALLY wins in Lincoln by the score of 44-27.

Thanks to the guys from Rock M Nation.

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Mizzu is not our rival. Its like we used to say with CU, just because they want to be our rival doesn’t make them our rival. Same here, just because Missouri is good for two years and they hate us doesn’t make them our rival. Quit trying to push this MR. Mac. What do you want to put the game in gold on the schedule and circle it and arrows pointing at it?? They are NOT and WILL NOT BE our rival.

by taflorom on Oct 2, 2008 7:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, it's official

Rock M Nation and Corn Nation just came to an agreement last night. We’re rivals.

by Blankman on Oct 2, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

I give up they can have it….Blight can put Mizzu in gold on his schedule and rptgwb can put NU in red on his. They can circle them have arrows pointing at the game etc, etc,etc. Then they can go to the corners of the states and stand and yell obscenities at each other the week before the game. Hell they can probably even find some rotten tomatoes to throw at each other.
The rest of us Husker fans will just continue to ignore the dumbasses in black and gold (either Mizzu or CU doesn’t matter) who are flipping us off and swearing at us and go to the game as usual.
No just because those two decided it was, it still is not a rivalry.

by taflorom on Oct 2, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey now

Given the response I got on this subject, I may do this every week. Ha!!!

We can’t have more than one rival? I’m still a little flabbergasted by that.

I imagine come Saturday night I’ll be throwing something around. We’ll just wait and see.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 3, 2008 12:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody

said we couldn’t have more then 1 rival. But you just cant wake up one morning and say “this team is now our rival”.

You want this to be a rivalry? Then email Bo and tell him that when NU wins on Saturday he looks into the camera in the post game interview and says “I think that Missouri is trying to change the name of Nebraskas state capitol to incoln because every time they come here to play they take a big L home with them”. Then he takes off for the locker room. Now Mizzu fans would have a reason to hate us (besides all the 60 point ass whoopins we used to give them), the media would have something to talk about next year and a rilvalry would be started. It would not yet be a full fledged rivalry but it would get things started and the trash talking could continue every year and it would soon become a full fledged rivalry.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 6:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would it count if...

… a Nebraska player punched a Missouri fan in the face? If that’s the case, we already passed step one in 2003.

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by rptgwb on Oct 3, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

that doesn’t count. Why? Dont know it just doesn’t. No one got overly outraged when it happened and you cant go back now.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rar!

I’m angry! I’m a husker! Rar! CU and MU fans are terrible! Rar! Not like Nebraska fans! We are saints! Rar! Yur a dumbass! Rar! No rivalries but the team that’s actually still relevant while we’re a speed bump in the North! Rar I say! Rar!

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you

are refering to me then you are wrong. I am not angry, not even really annoyed. I just dont see how people wake up one morning and say “ok today I am making Mizzu our rival”. Every Big XII north team would love nothing more then to kick NUs ass after all the times we killed you guys so if there is anger I would say it is from the other side. We will see how long you remain relevant and how long it takes you to slide back under the rug where you were.

Mizzu fan: " We are so good. We have a two year dynasty. We consider you our rival would you please come and be that?" Whatever. Dont cry for too long when we kick your ass on Saturday, it is the way god intended it.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair.
Mizzu fan: " We are so good. We have a two year dynasty."

From what I understand, that’s how Mizzou fans are being classified these days. There’s certainly an overzealous segment of the fan base that would classify under that category. That I will concede. But to say we’re asking you to be our rival is a bit of a stretch. It’s not like Mizzou went out looking for a rivalry – the Civil War created one for us. The hatred of Nebraska just kind of grew over time.

And by the way, kicking (Mizzou’s) ass “the way god intended” it? I would think a fan base that anointed Bill Callahan as the Messiah and Sam Keller as the Savior would be a little more hesitant to drop the God card.

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by rptgwb on Oct 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can ask CB

I was against Billy C from the begining. He was a terrible coach in Oakland and I was in awe that we would stoop to such a low in hiring a coach. Turner Gill is the man I would have liked to have seen here ever since they got rid of Frank. I do like Bo and will support him 100% as I do believe he will lead us back.

As for Sam Keller…..Well I thought he would do better then he did after what he had accomplished at ASU. I dont think they had any better athletes then we had but must have had much better coaches (and that hurts to say after watching Koetter piss it down his leg last year).

Ok maybe the “god intended it that way” was a LITTLE over zealous. Hey I dont mind talking football and even listening to a little trash talk (lord knows I can do that with the best of them), but it is not hard to see why he has the name Ridiculous Matt. Most of his post are just that….ridiculous.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll vouch

for that. talforom really irritated me for a couple years when Billy C got hired because he continually hammered him….. turned out to be pretty right.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 4, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Irony

the guy that stated that a football team’s fortunes are God’s will statin that someone is ridiculous.

The only point I was trying to make is that calling someone a dumbass is probably not the best way to make a point.

But what do I know? I’m ridiculous?

*punches self

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 5:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And yet what happens

if Pellini fails? What if you go a decade, 15 years, without finding the rebuilding spark? What if you fall into irrelevance and people quit waiting for you to get good again? What happens then?

Oh, I forgot, that could never happen. God intended it that way.

We’ll see if God intended Maclin to have 200 yards and 3 TDs.

By the way, most of the NU fans on this site are classy, fair, and excellent.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded.
By the way, most of the NU fans on this site are classy, fair, and excellent.

Every fan base has its extremists. I’ve had primarily nothing but good experiences when I’ve migrated over here to CN.

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Chance McDanielson for Heisman

by rptgwb on Oct 3, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay

talking that way – that whole “What if Pelini fails thing” could get you banned. We don’t need that kind of thinking around here.

I’m trying to get through this weekend, dammit! Argggggh! And you’re bringing up the future?

yeah, I’m kidding about the banned thing, but one step at a time, eh?

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 3, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My issue here

has been the “We’re going to win on Saturday because, dang it, we’re Nebraska and they’re Missouri!”

The odds of your season ending on a 3 game winning streak is very high. As a Missouri fan, as well as a fan of logic, reasoning, and relevant facts, I just happen to think that this Mizzou team is a lot better at this point. They’re also probably as tied of hearing about 1978 as we were about how long it had been since winning in Manhattan or Boulder.

It’s not essentially that I think we’re a dynasty, which would be impossible considering we haven’t really won anything yet. But just like you have to have hope for winning tomorrow, I have to have hope that maybe we can make this thing into a legitimate yearly battle over the North title. And your little buddy seems to think that showing up with a yearbook from 1996 somehow spots you seven points. It doesn’t.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When and where

did I even say anything like that? That is just crap and you are twisting things to be as you want them. At no time did I say that since we have beaten you everytime in Lincoln you have no chance to win this Saturday. This is when anger gets in the way and ruins a good conversation. This is what happens to other teams fans when they get good for a couple of years and are beating NU. It happen with CU (still is actually) ISU, KSU and now MU and KU.

You guys get to talking trash about how you are going to beat us and when we reply with a “its about time because we have been stomping your ass in the ground for 30+ years” you come back with a “oh so now you can just show up and have a lead because you are NU” when now one even came close to saying that. You spew some obscenity lace tirade at us trying to get us into a screaming match with you and when that doesn’t work you think we are looking down on you. Then you get angrier and angrier until there is no talking to you and you start twisting things.

Your signiture states “Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900”. Well no crap you dont have one to hang on to. That really makes no sense whatsoever. You have a winning tradition since 2007.

by taflorom on Oct 4, 2008 6:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe

he’s referring specifically to me on that history thing. I’ve been playing it up all over the place.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 4, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy bucko

just talking some friendly trash. No reason to get all Will Muschamp here.

Anyway, good luck today, let’s hope for a clean (and that means us) game with no injuries in the spirit of this total non-rivalry that isn’t a rivalry because you are so infinitely better than us.

What’s the one matchup you like best for NU, those of you that aren’t completely blinded by corn?

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We change

our colors to black and gold and put Missouri on the front? Lets see if you still talk the same trash at this point next year. Like I said you laid one on the worst NU team in 50 years last year. If you think this is the same team and that we will lay down and die tomorrow, well lets just say that I hope the guys wearing the white uniforms with black helmets feel the same way.

Heck I would love nothing more if GP would let you come into the locker room and give the pregame pep talk and tell them how they dont really have to play that good to win this game. Just show up on the field and it is yours.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's essentially

what Va Tech did. Worked out pretty well for them.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 12:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hate to say

this at the risk of sounding like a fool, but I’m not 100% convinced we did everything we needed to do to win that game.

I’m not going to be specific, but there were some subs made in that game that made me wonder if the coaches weren’t trying to find out how players would respond in tough pressure situations to prepare them for later rather than keeping the guy who would have won it in there.

Or maybe we’re just still trying to find ourselves.

Still, I follow college baseball A LOT. College baseball coaches find out whether or not their pitchers can win pressure-filled games because they have the luxury of being able to lose some and get away with it. Not every game counts.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 4, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you think

Pellini schlubbed a non-con game to a weak opponent to figure some things out? I can see that.

Hey, apparently you guys have some sort of death star defense you’re going to pull out that’s going to completely bamboozle the third best offense in the country. It’s possible. There will eventually come the game where Pellini just simply outcoaches the other guy. Maybe it’s tonight in his fifth game.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

I think he’s still trying to find out who’s a player and who isn’t and the only way he’s going to do that is getting as many as possible on the field.

Death star defense. I like that. I’m stealing it.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!

by corn blight on Oct 4, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, rivalries go cheap in the Midwest

Two years, and you’re a rival.

You’re a little desparate for a rival to bestow that designation so quickly.

JMO.

by Beergut on Oct 2, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like I need to clarify

It’s not like Mizzou/Nebraska has the long history of storied rivalries, nor does it have the back-and-forth of most rivalries (Nebraska’s dominance in the series record lays claim to that).

This is solely out of growing hostility. Missouri fans are finding the schedule each year, circling the Nebraska game, and every other week, cheering for whoever Nebraska is playing (unless it’s KU). Nebraska will NEVER earn “most hated” status.

And, by the way Beergut, rivalries come cheap everywhere. You should know that. GuyMo and Baylor beats you once in 20 years and they start proclaiming it a great rivalry. At least TexAgs can keep denying that you guys are rivals with Tech.

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by rptgwb on Oct 2, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, at one time, Baylor and A&M was a good rivalry

back when Baylor was a good, solid team

You have to remember, until they joined the Big 12 and became completely out of their league with all the public schools, Baylor could normally beat some of the private schools in the SWC, post a winning record, and maybe go to a bowl game. Yes, A&M was regularly beating them, but there was a time when the Battle of the Brazons was a good game. They used to field some salty defenses, which made the games competitive. So, there is some history there. Hell, there was an incident in the early 1900s when an Aggie cadet was killed in a brawl at an A&M/Baylor game, so there is some bad blood there.

It isn’t so much that Baylor ‘claimed’ a rivalry after their win in ’04, b/c to them, the rivalry never ended. We just take beating them for granted.

Tech’s problem is that they think we’re they’re archrival. They’re not. Those godless communists over in Austin are our archrival. I’ve tried pointing out to Tech fans that we never built Bonfire for a Tech game, but that fell on deaf ears. Tech is a regional rival, at best.

 I would say A&M rivalries go texas, then Baylor, then LSU (we had a series with them a while back before they became tired of losing, and backed out), then Tech. After we begin our series with Arkansas next year (10 year series to be played at a neutral site, the Cowboy’s new stadium in Arlington, aka Jerryworld), the pigs may relace Tech.

I just don’t think it is a rivalry if all the hatred is on one side. We don’t hate Tech, we’re just annoyed by them more than anything else.

by Beergut on Oct 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And also,

Is there a golden rule in college football somewhere that you’re only allotted ONE rival?

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by rptgwb on Oct 2, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

Read the Top 5 Reasons to Hate Nebraska.

Tom Osborne, that father figure willing to throw some gas on a burning fire of hopelessness in people.


That’s funny, I don’t care who you are.

by Beergut on Oct 2, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

t know how to quote

dammit this keyboard is sensitive today

by Beergut on Oct 2, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Desperation for a rivalry

…comes from Colorado and have since about 1990. Reasons for a rivalry come from Columbia. Give it time.

by Blankman on Oct 2, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What reason???

That their fans hate us? Well CU has hated us longer. That MU is now rated? Well CU does that more often. Neither is our rival but CU is a lot closer then MU.

by taflorom on Oct 2, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps you need one

because OU has simply moved out of your league. Or you’ve dropped out of theirs. Welcome to mediocrity, thy name is the Big 12 North!

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rivalry?

The number of responses to the subject tells me that it just might be. I live in Southwest Misouri, and it is starting to look like one here.

GBR!

Beat Mizzou!

Bob

by bnahusker on Oct 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well wait

until the CU game. You get this every year from them. This is just a drop in the bucket. EVERY Husker board has the “is CU our rival”. This is the only one asking if Mizzu is. And I am sure it looks like NU/CU are rivals in Boulder too.

by taflorom on Oct 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In reality

given where your program is at, you’re right. Mizzou really shouldn’t be your rival. You guys might want to aim lower.

Iowa State’s looking for someone to hate. That might work. KU and KSU are a little beyond you in terms of talent, but hey, any given Saturday!

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't buy the "you guys are down so you can't be a rival" argument

Yes, Nebraska is “down” from their usual perch among to top programs in college football. That doesn’t mean they have to “aim lower” for a rival. I realize you’re just engaging in harmless smack talk to jab the ‘husker fans, Ridiculous Matt, but it brings up a bigger point.
Nebraska’s football team, no matter if it is the supremely talented squads of they used to field from the 1960s-1990s, or the less talent squads they field now, still comes out with that ‘N’ on their helmet. No matter how talented or less talented they are, it is still nice to beat Nebraska. It is still a game you can point to, b/c they are still a ‘name’ program.
Missouri isn’t a ‘name’ program. As I pointed out eslewhere, we’ll see if Missouri continues to be a top 10 team without Chase Daniel. They couldn’t achieve consistently with Brad Smith leading them, so I wonder what happens when they lose the leader of their current resurgence.
The minimal amount of time that comprises Missouri’s success as a program kind of kills any thoughts that Missouri might be a rival for Nebraska, b/c in order for their to be a rivalry, their needs to be some history behind it, or some recogniation that there is some equality between the programs.
Other than the “kick ball” game in ‘97, I don’t see much history. 30-something consecutive wins means there isn’t much equality.
So, while Nebraska is down right now, I don’t think Missouri can claim rivalry status. It is also ludicrous to suggest that they should “shoot lower” for a rival.
Designating someone as your rival doesn’t make them a rival, so what Colorado did and what Tech has tried to do doesn’t work.

I think Nebraska should just designation a neutral sight to play Oklahoma in every year (does Kansas City work?), and play them as a non-conference game when the rotation takes them off their schedule, and they’ll be a conference game the other two years. It would give OU three rivalry games (texas, Okie State, and Nebraska), but I think they’d be okay with that. There would be the issue of season tickets to work out, b/c it wouldn’t be a home game for either program, but that is just a formality.

I think Missouri has a better chance of establishing a secondary rivalry with Illinois than Nebraska. JMO.

by Beergut on Oct 3, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just think it's interesting

because there is a lot more parity in college football. Alabama was terrible for several years and it’s back, but that has nothing to do with tradition. LSU is arguably the best college football program over the last five years.

I just get sick of everyone completely dismissing the fact of what his happening RIGHT NOW because of teams that no longer matter. If Nebraska wins Saturday, it’ll be because Bo Pellini managed to coach a group of undertalented players into knocking off a good team having a bad day. We saw the same thing with Oregon State and Ole Miss. It has nothing to do with the past. I think that argument may have been relevant when there was more continuity in roster, less frequent turnover, and when (giggle) walk-ons mattered. But they don’t anymore. The game has evolved.

What’s worse is that when Nebraska is a Big 12 North contender last year, it will be connected to the past, even though it has nothing to do with that. It’ll have to do with Bo Pellini being a better coach than Bill Callahan and a better recruiter, and Missouri losing the majority of it’s top talent. We’ll have to see if the events of the last few years have an effect on recruiting. There may well be a shift, and things might just revert back to the “status quo.” But it has nothing to do with having such a “great tradition.” It’s one team just being better than the other.

It’s interesting coming from an Ag Fan. I’ve never really understood the Aggie-UT rivalry. You beat them the last two years as an underdog (and I rooted for you to, to take UT down a notch). But your argument is the same reason UT fans dismiss the Ags. Living in Austin, I hear “No matter what happens, they’ll always be A&M.”

I wasn’t saying they should actually aim lower. Come on. While I don’t think quality of program is dictated by history, rivalries are. And we have a little bit of a recent history. Think of it this way. The Seahawks and Chiefs actually used to be kind of bitter rivals. Then the Seahawks went to the NFC. We’re no longer rivals. Similarly, OU and Nebraska used to always play each other. But they don’t anymore. Plus, to be perfectly honest, if you ask an OU fan what they’d rather do, beat UT or beat NU, the answer is pretty clear. It’s the same with Missouri. We’d be fine with losing to NU if it means beating KU most seasons. Now, NU can claim the OU rivalry out of history all they want. It just won’t work out well for them. Hey, Missouri can claim OU as a rival, it doesn’t mean much besides the fact that they’ve mudstomped us a ton over the last few years.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And by last few years

I mean the last, oh, century.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it isn't just 'tradition' I'm referring to

Nebraska has some inherent advantages as a program that Missouri doesn’t have. They have a whole state obsessed over their football program, and forking over their hard-earned money to support that program. They have a media ready and willing to trumpet any success they have. That doesn’t just go away after a bad season or two.

Take a look at OU as an example. They were average under Gibbs, then fell to bad and horrible under Schnellenberger and Blake. But when Stoops arrived, and put up a 7-5 season his first year, everyone was ready to jump back on the bandwagon. Their MNC his second season sped up the process, but it doesn’t take the media long to trumpet the return of a tradionally winning program.

Alabama sucked last season, even losing to Louisiana-Monroe, but that didn’t stop media from putting them in their pre-season top 25. Did you see how fast the media bumped ’Bama into the top 10, just b/c they smacked around an overrated Clemson team? That is one of the inherent advantages that Nebraska posesses, that the media WANTS them to be a good team.

Christ, look at the media’s fondling of Notre Dame if you need more proof of this.

I’ve never really understood the Aggie-UT rivalry. You beat them the last two years as an underdog (and I rooted for you to, to take UT down a notch).

You don’t understand it b/c you didn’t live here during our little run from 1985-1994, when we were 9-1 against texas. I grew up expecting to watch A&M beat texas every Thanksgiving, and the rest of my generation is the same way. The wins the last two seasons against texas aren’t an aberration; to me, that is the way it is supposed to be.

But your argument is the same reason UT fans dismiss the Ags. Living in Austin, I hear "No matter what happens, they’ll always be A&M."

One thing I’ve learned about texas fans is that they claim whoever they can’t beat in the current time period as their rival. Since Oklahoma is regularly owning them lately, they claim OU as their biggest rival. However, if you look at the time period before Stoops’ arrival, texas was pretty regularly beating OU, yet texas wouldn’t keep a coach for more than 5-6 years. Why? They were being fired b/c they couldn’t beat A&M.

Another problem with texas fans is that they think “They’ll always be A&M” is an insult.

We’re happy to be Texas A&M. That means we’re better than texas. That’s an issue that goes far beyond the fields of athletic competition, though.

by Beergut on Oct 3, 2008 6:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's an interesting point you bring up.

One thing I’ve learned about texas fans is that they claim whoever they can’t beat in the current time period as their rival.

That’s natural for a lot of teams, I think. Maybe that’s where the Mizzou conception of the rivalry comes from and why Nebraska leans towards CU. It’s often said that a rivalry needs wins on both sides. But I think the emphasis leans towards who ever is pwning you at that particular moment in time. Maybe that’s why Colorado ends up with so many teams that hate them. They seem to randomly beat teams and then fade back into the black. Colorado is Batman.

The media point is certainly relevant. It works both ways. Not only does it boost traditional programs, but it holds other programs back. Not just non-BCS teams. But it’s bizarre being on this side of the media bump. Mizzou is right where it was last year yet we’re a top five team this season since we have the media bump (which is terrifying, by the way). The fact that Alabama skyrocketed so fast in a conference where insane upsets happen weekly is certainly proof as well.

I will say that if you look at the recruiting, we’ve made a signficant dent, particularly in Texas and starting to lock up the Missouri kids. It also helps taking top recruits away from Nebraska. Here’s hoping NU has some top recruits at tomorrow’s game like they did last year. It’s a great time to be a Tiger!

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 4, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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